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Glanz · 01-24-2003, 08:02 PM

I found it here >> http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik/quirks.shtml
to which I was referred from here>>
http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac
after trippin' around here>>
http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/

thatch · 01-24-2003, 08:09 PM

OIC, well that's if you're installing with the quik method which I believe is also the potato install, not for me I don't think.

thatch · 01-24-2003, 08:14 PM

If I move a file over from my G4 via Appletalk over ethernet to the 7500's HFS partition, I must mount that partition which brings me to the mount point. What do I do with that? Do I try to mount it into a linux partition? I don't think it would fit if that's the case. So, how do I mount that then?

thatch · 01-24-2003, 08:38 PM

I think I can mount the HFS inside the linux partition and point the installer there when it needs files I have put there. Unfortunately, I had to abort the install process to do this because I had to reboot into OS 8.6 to copy the files and make the particular directories to accommodate the path.

If I only knew of all the files I needed in advance, I would have done this hard disk method of install long ago. I hope it works. It is one of the choices in the instructions. But who knows. So far, nothing has worked as they said it would. I won't be holding my breath, that's for sure.

Glanz · 01-24-2003, 09:03 PM

Quote:


	Originally posted by thatch I think I can mount the HFS inside the linux partition and point the installer there when it needs files I have put there. Unfortunately, I had to abort the install process to do this because I had to reboot into OS 8.6 to copy the files and make the particular directories to accommodate the path. .

You're on the right path.....

the boot sector, point to /proc and ...&... I'll get back..

Glanz · 01-24-2003, 09:18 PM

Yesterday, I read a document on that...... Now I have to find it. I was trippin' from link to link.......... I am checking the history in Galeon now.

thatch · 01-24-2003, 09:26 PM

I actually didn't need to mount the HFS inside the linux partition. The installer asks where to locate it and you type in the path. It doesn't like a lot of what you think should be exactly correct though. I figured it out by omitting the last directory and it started to install the base system. But just now I looked over and it stopped and says, "debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1)". Oh-oh! No other explanation as to why it failed. I'll try it again.

Oh geez. Now it says:

Code:

It looks like either you have already installed the base
system once or there is a Debian system installed already.
This installer routine is not intended to overwrite an
existing system.  It's safer to start from scratch, i.e.
unmount the partition, create a new filesystem upon it and
come back to this step.  Installing the base system over an
existing system will cause existing data to be overwritten.
Do you want to continue?  <Yes>  <No>

I think it might just be an erroneous error and maybe I should just proceed on to the next step to see what will happen.

Glanz · 01-24-2003, 10:17 PM

Quote:


	[i] I think it might just be an erroneous error and maybe I should just proceed on to the next step to see what will happen.

But if is ISN'T an erroneous error or a mistaken mistake, then you have Debian installed!!!!! Congrats!!!

LOL

GeeeeeZZZZZZZ what a trip

That's like spending two hours configuring XFree for FreeBSD and typing "startx" and getting told you don't have X and you have no root or users..... Happens every time to me with FreeBSD.

thatch · 01-24-2003, 10:19 PM

Well, I tried to proceed and unmount, mount, redo the file system... blah blah blah, but it seems as though I may have the wrong basedebs.tar file. The reason I think so is that there are more than one, each in different directories that are right near eachother. Sound confusing? Yup, it is.

I'm getting good at aborting the install and rebooting into 8.6 to get Appletalk going over ethernet and copying a file I've downloaded from my G4, then booting back from the floppy into Debian to start the whole file system installation over again. Whew! Did I just say all that? Sorry for the rambling.

One more try and that will be it until I come back to it later 'cause I'm going to need a break to s.s.+s.

thatch · 01-25-2003, 12:32 AM

Guess what? After all that work, I chose to abort the install as I had said in my last message. Then the next time I came to boot it up, it got to the point where I was supposed to switch from one floppy to the next and then, KP. Repeated the same a couple of times. I noticed instead of it asking for the ram disk, it wanted a root disk. Well, the installer told me at one point that I couldn't make one of those for my rig.

Since then, I was reading the installer page about using BootX to startup into Debian. So, I futzed with that but was unable to get it going at all. I'm not sure if I had the right kernel for BootX. There was no way to boot into Debian at all.

I figured I better see about booting into open firmware as suggested in the instructions. Went over and pressed the power button and..... nada. The box is toast. Can't boot into anything now. It's fried.

Unbelievable bad luck. I was so close too. I think it's the power supply. I've been through two of them since the original already, in years past of course. I'm not likely to pump another couple of hundred bucks into it at this point either. It's not worth it to me.

Maybe the powerbook 3400 is next, but the wife may not want me to chance it getting hosed. What a day.

Glanz · 01-25-2003, 08:11 AM

Check this thread::::: http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...&threadid=8849

Some of the info may be useful...

thatch · 01-25-2003, 02:44 PM

I'm slightly embarrassed to say, but now the 7500 has arisen from the dead! It turns out that when I tried to boot into open firmware, that put it in a state of what seemed like death. No LED lit up next to the power button, no display, but until I put my noisy G4 to sleep which is just a couple of feet away from the 7500, I didn't realize that she was still running, albeit in a strange state. Another LED light on the front was covered up by the keyboard so I didn't see that one either and it was on. So, a force reboot was all it needed.

The bad news is that it won't boot into Debian, not from BootX or with the install disks. It KP's on both methods consistently. So, my only choice was to initialize the hard drive with Drive Setup again and start the whole process over which I could do in about 30 minutes now that I had all the right files and experience of doing it before. And this time the install went flawlessly because I had the correct basedebs.tar file. But at the end of the install process, it asks if you want to make it the boot drive permanently, which I do not because I have the other hard drive with OS 8.6. So, I choose the reboot option and that takes me back into 8.6 where I then try to get BootX going again. But now it's back to the KP's.

There are so many things that could be causing all this, it's hard to say. Perhaps there are some boot args that have to be added to BootX. Or maybe I don't have all the correct device drivers installed. Or there's that little open firmware patch which is suspect. If I could just get it to boot in console only mode, I could install and change things, etc... I don't know what else to do if I can't get it to boot though.

tjj · 01-25-2003, 03:46 PM

thatch, sorry to hear about your woes. It seems, though, you're quite close. I'm afraid I've got nothing to report yet. I had multiple kernel panics on my G3 trying to back up my pb3400 (8.6) via file sharing/apple talk. In the end, I had to boot into 9.2 and then it worked out. I downloaded the official non-us Debian CD 1. I plan to have a small os 8 on the 2 GB drive on my pb3400, and then the rest of it is for debian. (If I can get it to work).

thatch · 01-25-2003, 03:58 PM

tjj, thanks for the kind words. But I'm enjoying the challenge now as compared to yesterday when I was having so much trouble with so many things. It seems like I'm bound to figure it out being that I'm so close now.

Good luck on the powerbook. I hope some of my very long winded thread is reference to some things that can come up. The manual instructions are very difficult but have the info in them in not always the most orderly fashion. If you can install from the CD, you are likely to have a much easier time of it than I did.

Best,

thatch

tjj · 01-25-2003, 04:04 PM

Quote:


	Originally posted by thatch If you can install from the CD, you are likely to have a much easier time of it than I did. thatch

That's what I hope

I agree that the manual isn't light reading! I have particularly problems with the chapter on hardware configuration. (..and I haven't even gotten past the bootX part....

Glanz · 01-25-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:


	[i] it asks if you want to make it the boot drive permanently, which I do not because I have the other hard drive with OS 8.6. So, I choose the reboot option and that takes me back into 8.6 where I then try to get BootX going again. But now it's back to the KP's.

If this is anything at all like the Linux installs I have done on PCs then you simply can't boot into Linux if the Linux boot manager is not the default unless you use the floppy boot method. The Mac will not take care of booting into Linux just as Windows will not recognize a Linux FS and will not boot into that. In fact it won't even "see" it.

Glanz · 01-25-2003, 04:37 PM

Geeeee... good luck guys! I wish I was there witcha. I have pretty good luck on Linux installs.

thatch · 01-25-2003, 04:45 PM

Glanz, that's what BootX is for though. It's installed into my system folder on 8.6 and when I boot, I get the choice of either OS at that time. But I'm still getting kernel panics every time I try anything for Debian.

And I can't boot from the floppies either. I get KP not matter what. So, I could reinstall again by using Drive Setup from 8.6 to initialize the drive again and then I could start over from the beginning. If I come to the end and can't agree to boot into Debian full time as it asks, I'll be right back to where I am now, no gain. I'm stuck. Again.

Glanz · 01-25-2003, 04:59 PM

Quote:


	Originally posted by thatch Glanz, that's what BootX is for though.

OIC now....... Maybe an older version of bootx would be apropos.

Glanz · 01-25-2003, 05:12 PM

I am still having imlib problems believe it or not. The prob now is that the finkies "corrected" their original error, the result of which seems to be a shared library problem that Gnome solved in 2001. "Fast forward to the past", as it were. I sent them a letter from the chief Gnome developer on this subject. Until then, I had to dump Gnome. Neither imlib, the old or the Fink new can handle newer WMs without problems. In the meantime, I'm back to Wmaker. I do like Fink, but I have work to do, and the incessant probs are preventing me from doing my job. I have molecules to tweak, and miles to go before I sleep.....

Tonight I will install Debian on my personal iBook, which means I will no longer have OS X on any of my machines...... The only thing Apple I'll have left is the hardware and the OS X installation CD's.

01-24-2003, 08:14 PM	#83
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	Question? If I move a file over from my G4 via Appletalk over ethernet to the 7500's HFS partition, I must mount that partition which brings me to the mount point. What do I do with that? Do I try to mount it into a linux partition? I don't think it would fit if that's the case. So, how do I mount that then?

01-24-2003, 09:26 PM	#87
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	I actually didn't need to mount the HFS inside the linux partition. The installer asks where to locate it and you type in the path. It doesn't like a lot of what you think should be exactly correct though. I figured it out by omitting the last directory and it started to install the base system. But just now I looked over and it stopped and says, "debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1)". Oh-oh! No other explanation as to why it failed. I'll try it again. Oh geez. Now it says: Code: It looks like either you have already installed the base system once or there is a Debian system installed already. This installer routine is not intended to overwrite an existing system. It's safer to start from scratch, i.e. unmount the partition, create a new filesystem upon it and come back to this step. Installing the base system over an existing system will cause existing data to be overwritten. Do you want to continue? <Yes> <No> I think it might just be an erroneous error and maybe I should just proceed on to the next step to see what will happen.

01-25-2003, 03:46 PM	#93
tjj Major Leaguer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 271	thatch, sorry to hear about your woes. It seems, though, you're quite close. I'm afraid I've got nothing to report yet. I had multiple kernel panics on my G3 trying to back up my pb3400 (8.6) via file sharing/apple talk. In the end, I had to boot into 9.2 and then it worked out. I downloaded the official non-us Debian CD 1. I plan to have a small os 8 on the 2 GB drive on my pb3400, and then the rest of it is for debian. (If I can get it to work). __________________ -- Thomas 10.4.11 on Pismo 500 MHz/1GB 10.5.6 on iMac intel 2.16 GHz core duo/2GB

01-24-2003, 08:02 PM	#81
Glanz Major Leaguer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 373	I found it here >> http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik/quirks.shtml to which I was referred from here>> http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac after trippin' around here>> http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/

01-24-2003, 08:09 PM	#82
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	OIC, well that's if you're installing with the quik method which I believe is also the potato install, not for me I don't think.

01-24-2003, 08:38 PM	#84
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	I think I can mount the HFS inside the linux partition and point the installer there when it needs files I have put there. Unfortunately, I had to abort the install process to do this because I had to reboot into OS 8.6 to copy the files and make the particular directories to accommodate the path. If I only knew of all the files I needed in advance, I would have done this hard disk method of install long ago. I hope it works. It is one of the choices in the instructions. But who knows. So far, nothing has worked as they said it would. I won't be holding my breath, that's for sure.

01-24-2003, 09:18 PM	#86
Glanz Major Leaguer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 373	Yesterday, I read a document on that...... Now I have to find it. I was trippin' from link to link.......... I am checking the history in Galeon now.

01-24-2003, 10:19 PM	#89
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	Well, I tried to proceed and unmount, mount, redo the file system... blah blah blah, but it seems as though I may have the wrong basedebs.tar file. The reason I think so is that there are more than one, each in different directories that are right near eachother. Sound confusing? Yup, it is. I'm getting good at aborting the install and rebooting into 8.6 to get Appletalk going over ethernet and copying a file I've downloaded from my G4, then booting back from the floppy into Debian to start the whole file system installation over again. Whew! Did I just say all that? Sorry for the rambling. One more try and that will be it until I come back to it later 'cause I'm going to need a break to s.s.+s.

01-25-2003, 12:32 AM	#90
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	Guess what? After all that work, I chose to abort the install as I had said in my last message. Then the next time I came to boot it up, it got to the point where I was supposed to switch from one floppy to the next and then, KP. Repeated the same a couple of times. I noticed instead of it asking for the ram disk, it wanted a root disk. Well, the installer told me at one point that I couldn't make one of those for my rig. Since then, I was reading the installer page about using BootX to startup into Debian. So, I futzed with that but was unable to get it going at all. I'm not sure if I had the right kernel for BootX. There was no way to boot into Debian at all. I figured I better see about booting into open firmware as suggested in the instructions. Went over and pressed the power button and..... nada. The box is toast. Can't boot into anything now. It's fried. Unbelievable bad luck. I was so close too. I think it's the power supply. I've been through two of them since the original already, in years past of course. I'm not likely to pump another couple of hundred bucks into it at this point either. It's not worth it to me. Maybe the powerbook 3400 is next, but the wife may not want me to chance it getting hosed. What a day.

01-25-2003, 08:11 AM	#91
Glanz Major Leaguer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 373	Check this thread::::: http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...&threadid=8849 Some of the info may be useful...

01-25-2003, 02:44 PM	#92
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	I'm slightly embarrassed to say, but now the 7500 has arisen from the dead! It turns out that when I tried to boot into open firmware, that put it in a state of what seemed like death. No LED lit up next to the power button, no display, but until I put my noisy G4 to sleep which is just a couple of feet away from the 7500, I didn't realize that she was still running, albeit in a strange state. Another LED light on the front was covered up by the keyboard so I didn't see that one either and it was on. So, a force reboot was all it needed. The bad news is that it won't boot into Debian, not from BootX or with the install disks. It KP's on both methods consistently. So, my only choice was to initialize the hard drive with Drive Setup again and start the whole process over which I could do in about 30 minutes now that I had all the right files and experience of doing it before. And this time the install went flawlessly because I had the correct basedebs.tar file. But at the end of the install process, it asks if you want to make it the boot drive permanently, which I do not because I have the other hard drive with OS 8.6. So, I choose the reboot option and that takes me back into 8.6 where I then try to get BootX going again. But now it's back to the KP's. There are so many things that could be causing all this, it's hard to say. Perhaps there are some boot args that have to be added to BootX. Or maybe I don't have all the correct device drivers installed. Or there's that little open firmware patch which is suspect. If I could just get it to boot in console only mode, I could install and change things, etc... I don't know what else to do if I can't get it to boot though.

01-25-2003, 03:58 PM	#94
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	tjj, thanks for the kind words. But I'm enjoying the challenge now as compared to yesterday when I was having so much trouble with so many things. It seems like I'm bound to figure it out being that I'm so close now. Good luck on the powerbook. I hope some of my very long winded thread is reference to some things that can come up. The manual instructions are very difficult but have the info in them in not always the most orderly fashion. If you can install from the CD, you are likely to have a much easier time of it than I did. Best, thatch

01-25-2003, 04:37 PM	#97
Glanz Major Leaguer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 373	Geeeee... good luck guys! I wish I was there witcha. I have pretty good luck on Linux installs.

01-25-2003, 04:45 PM	#98
thatch All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 534	Glanz, that's what BootX is for though. It's installed into my system folder on 8.6 and when I boot, I get the choice of either OS at that time. But I'm still getting kernel panics every time I try anything for Debian. And I can't boot from the floppies either. I get KP not matter what. So, I could reinstall again by using Drive Setup from 8.6 to initialize the drive again and then I could start over from the beginning. If I come to the end and can't agree to boot into Debian full time as it asks, I'll be right back to where I am now, no gain. I'm stuck. Again.

01-25-2003, 05:12 PM	#100
Glanz Major Leaguer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 373	I am still having imlib problems believe it or not. The prob now is that the finkies "corrected" their original error, the result of which seems to be a shared library problem that Gnome solved in 2001. "Fast forward to the past", as it were. I sent them a letter from the chief Gnome developer on this subject. Until then, I had to dump Gnome. Neither imlib, the old or the Fink new can handle newer WMs without problems. In the meantime, I'm back to Wmaker. I do like Fink, but I have work to do, and the incessant probs are preventing me from doing my job. I have molecules to tweak, and miles to go before I sleep..... Tonight I will install Debian on my personal iBook, which means I will no longer have OS X on any of my machines...... The only thing Apple I'll have left is the hardware and the OS X installation CD's.