Best game of 2007? - Page 6

ArcticStones · 03-24-2008, 01:03 PM

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So, uhm, which is currently the best Chess software for Mac OSX?

And more importantly, has anyone yet developed a decent OSX-based, full-board (19x19) GO software? That’s the game I really love! (Hence the name ArcticStones.)

Beats PacMan and Assassin’s Creed, Tetris and BioShock, Solitaire and Gears of War any day!!

Jay Carr · 03-24-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcticStones


	Beats PacMan and Assassin’s Creed, Tetris and BioShock, Solitaire and Gears of War any day!!

Hey now... ;-).

Do you actually know of any PC games that accurately simulate GO? I've never seen one before. Maybe some day I'll get to work on a Go game, I'm yet to see one for OSX.

As for chess. The farthest I've gone with that is the chess game that comes with OSX. I'd really like to see another one. I used to play Chessmaster on PC, that was pretty good.

ArcticStones · 03-24-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zalister


	Do you actually know of any PC games that accurately simulate GO? I've never seen one before. Maybe some day I'll get to work on a Go game, I'm yet to see one for OSX.

Yeah, I’ve seen a GO simulator that did pretty well on 9x9, poorly on 13x13, and abominably on full board. But I forget the name of it.

However, it must be mentioned that the under-sized 9x9 game becomes an immediate tactical fight, almost devoid of the immense strategical challenges that require Go players to hone their intuition and deep sense of balance.

That’s the true beauty of this game!

So in another sense the answer is no. But it’s a few years since I checked this out -- hence my question. I was actually hopeful that progress in the field of GO software was comparable to the above-mentioned "eye-candy games" . (Ducking to avoid tomatoes)

-- ArcticStones

ArcticStones · 03-24-2008, 01:59 PM

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Now you’ve got me curious, Jay!
I did a bit of searching and came up with this.

The top photograph shows a GO game between the tournament winner at a recent software competition, and a 5-dan player.

If you study the board, you’ll see that the computer got creamed. The human player (black) already controls all four corners, so the game is essentially over. There is no way it can compensate after allowing black to gain such a strategic upper hand!

When it comes to Chess, on the other hand, the best computer software is far stronger than the world’s best grandmasters. From what I understand, it is far easier to algorithmically evaluate a Chess position and quantify the evaluation of various moves. Furthermore, there are simply fewer moves to consider at any given time.

** By the way, the old GO software that I mentioned in my last post was GNU Go..

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kel101 · 03-24-2008, 03:26 PM

woah that game looks way to complicated, or maybe im just to young and naive to appreciate it...

ArcticStones · 03-24-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kel101


	woah that game looks way to complicated, or maybe im just to young and naive to appreciate it...

Takes a mere three minutes to learn the rules.

nikopolidis · 03-25-2008, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kel101


	They arnt as high as crysis, you should be able to play with at least 2gb of ram(essential) 128mb gpu and 1.83 cd

No way! I have Toshiba laptop. It has only 1GB of RAM, 2.1 Ghz Core 2 Duo Processor and 256 Mb ATI Radeon Video Card. I guess it will fail to run BioShock..

kel101 · 03-25-2008, 08:24 AM

actually it will run, you'll probs be able to run crysis as well, but you need to get 2gb of ram to get a good experience

fazstp · 03-25-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcticStones


	. Now you’ve got me curious, Jay! I did a bit of searching and came up with this.

I thought this was interesting from 2005 on that link;

"In a nailbiting match, SlugGo running on 18(!) 2GHz G5 processors defeated Go++ by half a point during the latest KGS computer Go Tournament. SlugGo is a project to try out novel search techniques employing multiple copies of GNUGO running on separate machines."

18 G5s to win by half a point.

ArcticStones · 03-25-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fazstp


	8 G5s to win by half a point.

Yeah, and that’s merely against another GO app. (An obscenely large number of moves are being evaluated; the number crunching required for that would be awesome.)

But I truly wonder how many of the most powerful Mac Pros it would take to beat a 5-dan player, let alone one of the world’s professional 9-dans. Regardless of the computing power brought to bear, we may still be a long way from seeing that happen...

Bear in mind that the number of possible GO games far exceeds the number of atoms in the universe.

In other words I would think that one needs a radically different manner of programming. How do you teach a machine to have a sense of intuitive balance?!

nikopolidis · 03-26-2008, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kel101


	actually it will run, you'll probs be able to run crysis as well, but you need to get 2gb of ram to get a good experience

That sounds promising...

How do you think is it possible to extend RAM on my laptop?
Or maybe I should modernize my old desktop PC.. It has nice Video card but processor is rather old.. I guess it is not more than 1.6 Ghz.

kel101 · 03-26-2008, 07:22 AM

well Im not too sure as i havnt seen your laptop, im sure you can type in "upgrade ram of *name of laptop*) in google, the same with your desktop. Im not sure if it has been released but alienware have made this http://dexxter.wordpress.com/2007/04...graphics-card/ for your laptop

nikopolidis · 03-27-2008, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kel101


	Im not sure if it has been released but alienware have made this http://dexxter.wordpress.com/2007/04...graphics-card/ for your laptop

Nice gadget!

I have never seen external Video Cards before.
But my Video card is still nice I think. All I need is additional RAM. I'm sure I can extend it.
But still I think I should make my desktop PC upgrade because I think that laptops are not made for gaming.. What do you think about gaming on laptop?
And by the way what characteristics does your machine have?

kel101 · 03-27-2008, 11:52 AM

well i game on my imac, not as much as i used to due to the ps3, but i still play a little HL2 deathmatch. My specs are in my sig, the only thing that isnt there is that my graphics card is 128mb

specter · 03-28-2008, 07:46 AM

I bought scrabble a few days ago. I didn't buy thу English version because none of my friends speak fluent English. I had to buy Russian version
A great game! I like it very much

kel101 · 03-28-2008, 03:21 PM

the board game right?? I wonder if theres an online mp version some poeple of here could play?

specter · 03-30-2008, 05:36 AM

Yes, a board game.
I was looking for online version of Scrabble, but I failed to find one, unfortunately

nikopolidis · 03-31-2008, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by specter


	I bought scrabble a few days ago. I didn't buy thу English version because none of my friends speak fluent English. I had to buy Russian version

Oh, Scrabble! That famous English game? I used to play it only once while I was studying in England some years ago...

I can't remember the specific of this game.. But I remember that was funny and interesting..

kel101 · 03-31-2008, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nikopolidis


	Oh, Scrabble! That famous English game? I used to play it only once while I was studying in England some years ago... I can't remember the specific of this game.. But I remember that was funny and interesting..

lol spelling words on a board, trying to ge ta triple word score!!! Tis mad
but i prefer monopoly

specter · 03-31-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kel101


	but i prefer monopoly

Monopoly is good. I have lots of board games I play with my friends after couple of beers

Monopoly is also my favourite

03-24-2008, 01:03 PM	#101
ArcticStones Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 3,152	GO software, anyone? . So, uhm, which is currently the best Chess software for Mac OSX? And more importantly, has anyone yet developed a decent OSX-based, full-board (19x19) GO software? That’s the game I really love! (Hence the name ArcticStones.) Beats PacMan and Assassin’s Creed, Tetris and BioShock, Solitaire and Gears of War any day!! __________________ . "You say this gadget of yours is for ordinary people. What on earth would ordinary people want with computers?" HP executive to Steve Wozniak

03-24-2008, 01:59 PM	#104
ArcticStones Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 3,152	. Now you’ve got me curious, Jay! I did a bit of searching and came up with this. The top photograph shows a GO game between the tournament winner at a recent software competition, and a 5-dan player. If you study the board, you’ll see that the computer got creamed. The human player (black) already controls all four corners, so the game is essentially over. There is no way it can compensate after allowing black to gain such a strategic upper hand! When it comes to Chess, on the other hand, the best computer software is far stronger than the world’s best grandmasters. From what I understand, it is far easier to algorithmically evaluate a Chess position and quantify the evaluation of various moves. Furthermore, there are simply fewer moves to consider at any given time. ** By the way, the old GO software that I mentioned in my last post was GNU Go.. . __________________ . "You say this gadget of yours is for ordinary people. What on earth would ordinary people want with computers?" HP executive to Steve Wozniak

03-24-2008, 03:26 PM	#105
kel101 MVP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,906	woah that game looks way to complicated, or maybe im just to young and naive to appreciate it... __________________ 27" imac 3.4ghz i7 16gb Ram 1TB HD GTX680 Mx imac core duo 1.83ghz: OS X 10.6.8, 2gb ram, 1Tb internal

03-25-2008, 08:24 AM	#108
kel101 MVP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,906	actually it will run, you'll probs be able to run crysis as well, but you need to get 2gb of ram to get a good experience __________________ 27" imac 3.4ghz i7 16gb Ram 1TB HD GTX680 Mx imac core duo 1.83ghz: OS X 10.6.8, 2gb ram, 1Tb internal

03-26-2008, 07:22 AM	#112
kel101 MVP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,906	well Im not too sure as i havnt seen your laptop, im sure you can type in "upgrade ram of name of laptop) in google, the same with your desktop. Im not sure if it has been released but alienware have made this http://dexxter.wordpress.com/2007/04...graphics-card/ for your laptop __________________ 27" imac 3.4ghz i7 16gb Ram 1TB HD GTX680 Mx imac core duo 1.83ghz: OS X 10.6.8, 2gb ram, 1Tb internal

03-27-2008, 11:52 AM	#114
kel101 MVP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,906	well i game on my imac, not as much as i used to due to the ps3, but i still play a little HL2 deathmatch. My specs are in my sig, the only thing that isnt there is that my graphics card is 128mb __________________ 27" imac 3.4ghz i7 16gb Ram 1TB HD GTX680 Mx imac core duo 1.83ghz: OS X 10.6.8, 2gb ram, 1Tb internal

03-28-2008, 07:46 AM	#115
specter All Star Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 578	I bought scrabble a few days ago. I didn't buy thу English version because none of my friends speak fluent English. I had to buy Russian version A great game! I like it very much

03-28-2008, 03:21 PM	#116
kel101 MVP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,906	the board game right?? I wonder if theres an online mp version some poeple of here could play? __________________ 27" imac 3.4ghz i7 16gb Ram 1TB HD GTX680 Mx imac core duo 1.83ghz: OS X 10.6.8, 2gb ram, 1Tb internal

03-30-2008, 05:36 AM	#117
specter All Star Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 578	Yes, a board game. I was looking for online version of Scrabble, but I failed to find one, unfortunately