Disable Stacks in Leopard?

[Las_Vegas]

Quote: Originally Posted by dm3 What if you don't have a Tiger backup? Is there a way to extract it from the install media that originally came with my Macbook?

Pacifist 2.5.1

[dm3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blodwyn Like a lot of folks, I miss the right-click, folder navigational we used to get in Tiger docks. I've found that Dragthing will give you back the functionality to right-click and drill down into folders. You have to pay for it, but it does exactly what you used to be able to do in Tiger. I've got my set of folders in a DT dock that sits next to my Apple dock, and it's working just fine. There's a whole bunch of customizing and other features (including hotkeys), so it's worth checking out IMHO.

I'm trying dragthing. Seems pretty neat... except that it doesn't seem to work well with Spaces. It only works in the window in which it was opened. Not so great as a dock replacement.

[shanep]

I really like the idea of stacks for organizing my files but why does it have to show a stack of icons? This is incredibly confusing and looks very odd on my dock. I am surprised with Apple on this one. Still the greatest OS in the world!

[Axlin]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkMoss I replaced Leopard's Dock.app with the one from my Tiger backup. Takes it back to the black triangles instead of the blue dots too! cd /System/Library/CoreServices sudo mv Dock.app Dock-LeopardBackup.app sudo cp /path/to/tiger’s/Dock.app ./Dock.app sudo chown root Dock.app sudo chgrp wheel Dock.app killall Dock

How did you get this to work? Every time I do this, all it does is attempt to open, fail, kill process, try again, fail, kill, try again, etc. until I put Leopard's Dock.app back in there. It doesn't even seem like Tiger's Dock is compatible with Leopard.

[Las_Vegas]

If you've pulled Tiger's Dock.app out of the original CoreServices folder prior to moving it into your Leopard CoreServices folder, you've likely changed permissions of the files and folders within the package.

An easy workaround is to follow the above procedure to rename your current Dock.app and then use Pacifist to install Tiger's Dock.app from your Tiger Install DVD.

[Axlin]

I just tried that and I'm having the same problem. Within Pacifist, I found Dock.app, right clicked, and selected Install to Default Location. Then I entered killall Dock in Terminal, and ran into the exact same scenario. How can I do this without altering its permissions? Or alternately, how do I set the appropriate permissions?

[Las_Vegas]

Have you tried repairing permissions in Disk Utility?

[Hal Itosis]

Quote: Originally Posted by dm3 I'm trying dragthing. Seems pretty neat... except that it doesn't seem to work well with Spaces. It only works in the window in which it was opened. Not so great as a dock replacement.

We need to use version 5.9.1... which was
released Nov. 1 (the day after your post).

-HI-

[tw]

Quote: Originally Posted by dm3 I'm trying dragthing. Seems pretty neat... except that it doesn't seem to work well with Spaces. It only works in the window in which it was opened. Not so great as a dock replacement.

I have to say, I've always preferred A-Dock to DragThing of course, I havben't used dragthing in ages, so maybe it's changed, but...

[Axlin]

Quote: Originally Posted by Las_Vegas Have you tried repairing permissions in Disk Utility?

Well I just tried to do that but now for whatever reason Disk Utility simply hangs whenever I try to repair my permissions. It won't even begin the verification process. It just hangs and accomplishes nothing. I restored everything (put the Leopard Dock back in the CoreServices folder as Dock.app, removed the Tiger dock), and it's still the same story. Ugh, all this for what should be something so simple...

Is my Disk Utility broken now? How do I get it working again?

[Hal Itosis]

Quote: Originally Posted by tw I have to say, I've always preferred A-Dock to DragThing of course, I havben't used dragthing in ages, so maybe it's changed, but...

"haven't used dragthing in ages" pretty much cancels anything else you said.

When it comes to 'dock-style' GUI enhancements, DragThing rules.

DropDrawers offered some alternative abilities (storing graphics,
and stuff like that). DragThing does so many things, it'll take a
week of daily use before a qualified review is even possible.

I'm fairly critical, but there's nothing left to criticize in DragThing.

All docks can be drawers now... with transparency when inactive,
changing to solid full color (or partially opaque) when moused over.
How about a popup dock of every open [un-hidden] window? Click!
Check out the built-in theme called "By Your Command".

One would be doing oneself a favor by trying version 5.9.1 in Leopard.

-HI-

[J Christopher]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hal Itosis I'm fairly critical, but there's nothing left to criticize in DragThing. One would be doing oneself a favor by trying version 5.9.1 in Leopard.

I downloaded DragThing again, since it had been two or three years since I last tried it. I spent a couple hours experimenting with it. It is definitely much improved. It's not ready to replace my Dock yet, though.

I like the drawers, but it doesn't make sufficient use of Fitts' Law for my purposes, not as well as the Dock, anyway. Perhaps a future version will address that.

[Dokter_Mac]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkMoss I replaced Leopard's Dock.app with the one from my Tiger backup. Takes it back to the black triangles instead of the blue dots too! cd /System/Library/CoreServices sudo mv Dock.app Dock-LeopardBackup.app sudo cp /path/to/tiger’s/Dock.app ./Dock.app sudo chown root Dock.app sudo chgrp wheel Dock.app killall Dock

Hi,
I'm working on a similar project in Leopard.
I also replaced my Leopard Dock with the one from Tiger.
And I'm working on a project since then...

But doing that (replacing the Leopard dock with the Tiger dock) you lose some functionality like Spaces en Exposé in the application folder. There are some issues with the Dashboard too...

How did you solved those issues?
Or do you simply accept that those apps. are not working anymore? (because you don't use them or some other reason)

Regards,
Dokter_Mac

[Hal Itosis]

Quote: Originally Posted by J Christopher It's not ready to replace my Dock yet, though.

I agree 100%... Apple's Dock stays.

My config is as follows...

-Apple's Dock on the right.

-left side: DragThing's disk dock (also has Home and Trash)

-bottom right: DragThing's window dock

-bottom left: my sole dock, currently with 9 layers (categories)

[Network] [Network2] [Text] [Graphics] [Multimedia] [Utility1] [Utility2] [Utility3] [Personal]

Each of those 9 has 13 items... making for
a total of 117 "things" a swift click away.

Works for me.

I also have Spark, for an alphanumeric amount of keyboard shortcuts. (more actually)

That was all topped off with FruitMenu, until Leopard ate it.
It should be back soon though... I expect.

[Dokter_Mac]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkMoss There seems to be a problem that I didn't notice at first. While the right-click folder functionality works as it should, the dock doesn't want to update. As an example, if I click iTunes, the application launches, but the icon doesn't change (including its menu). It's even worse for apps that aren't already in the dock - They don't appear at all until the dock is refreshed with a killall Dock. Closing apps is similar, the only difference is that a click on the icon causes it to update. I suspect it's got something to do with the DockSyncClient.app in the new dock's resource folder.

That's what I solved in my Tiger Dock project.
It's not that hard using some of the Leopard Dock recources in the Tiger Dock just to solve a few of those bugs.
BTW: Command-Tab also stopped working with a Tiger Dock...

But what about the issues that are much harder to solve? Like the Exposé & Spaces apps in the Dock or Application folder.
And making the Dock universal... Hard but not impossible... (Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think in 10.4 the Dock is not universal.)

My question is if there is anybody here on the forum with fully functional working Tiger Dock in Leopard?

Regards,
Dokter_Mac

[Irene]

A very easy solution is provided in thee two small applications (actually apple scripts) free from MacWorld. One turns the Dock into the Tiger one, the other turns it back into the Leopard one.

http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/edit...helf/index.php[/URL]

There's a link from this page to the two.

I cannot give you the direct link since clicking it immediately downloads the programs but the link doesn't appear in the tool bar

[Dokter_Mac]

Quote: Originally Posted by Irene A very easy solution is provided in thee two small applications (actually apple scripts) free from MacWorld. One turns the Dock into the Tiger one, the other turns it back into the Leopard one. http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/edit...helf/index.php[/URL] There's a link from this page to the two. I cannot give you the direct link since clicking it immediately downloads the programs but the link doesn't appear in the tool bar

Well, it's not realy a Tiger Dock. It's a Leopard dock in 2D.
The scripts I already have produced myself with Automator.

[M-Rick]

Try this app, it does exactly what you need without changing or modifyiing Leopard's dock !

Really excellent !
Use the new modes or the old one in the same time.

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/26270/quay

[Dokter_Mac]

Quote: Originally Posted by M-Rick Try this app, it does exactly what you need without changing or modifyiing Leopard's dock ! Really excellent ! Use the new modes or the old one in the same time. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/26270/quay

I already tried it. Not bad, but it's shareware and it's still using the Leopard Dock.
I want/need a free app
Many Pro users are complaining and I want to give them something back.
A functional Tiger Dock in Leopard.

Quay gives you back the fastest way to navigate, which is "hierarchical menus", but still far from the way it was in Tiger. Also dragging a network disk or a HD to the Dock is something I miss in The Leopard Dock. You can't brows them in a hierarchical way.

I wonder why Apple did this. It's so much faster in Tiger...

Anyway, I'm working on two projects:
One that installs a fully functional Tiger Dock in Leopard (for free) in the System folder and backups the original Leopard Dock (in case there are OS updates from Apple and you need to put things back to normal).

The second project are just two apps. A program that starts a fully functional Tiger Dock, but it leaves the System folder and Leopard Dock alone... And a program that puts everything back to normal.

I was just wondering if there are more people on the forum that are working on something like that.
If so, how are you dealing with Apple Legal issues? Any tips? (Like for instance, making an installer that asks for a legal Tiger Install DVD or a Tiger partition before it's doing something?)

Regards and thanks for the feedback so far!!!
Dokter_Mac

[M-Rick]

I have found another way.

I remembered that the beta version of Leopard used the standard Tiger Dock plus the stacks.

If you have an install disk of a previous beta, it will work just like before with exposé and spaces, but you will loose stacks.

A guy I know gave me the CD and I installed this previous beta Dock and works very well.

I can send it if needed (the Dock.app, not the DVD ! ).

To install, 3 steps :

- In terminal : sudo mv /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app /System/Library/CoreServices/Dock2.app

- With Pacifist, extract the dock with Administrator privileges.

- Kill the Dock process and launch the new (older) one.

If I could do it, so Apple too !

PS : Don't forget to add the associated languages files if needed.

Remains 2 things to change, Sportlight, and the display of Finder windows (folders) to gave back the previous standard behavior.