Where is my airport card? - Page 5

nquinnathome1 · 12-24-2006, 10:57 AM

Hi everyone

I'm glad I've found this thread; my iBook G4 (purchased beginning October 2005) has just last night started Kernel Panicing too; I found Airport to be the culprit so found this thread on Google; thought i'd join and show my support for a problem that if many more complain having, surely Apple cannot ignore much longer.

jrbernsen · 12-26-2006, 01:00 PM

Just wanted to add my story, as this problem has killed my ability to use wifi as well. Bought my 12 in 1.33 Gz iBook G4 in August of '05 when they were first released. I too began experiencing the kernel panics in early Dec. of '06. Seems odd that no matter when each iBook was purchased, we all seem to have developed this issue within the past month or so. Makes me think it was an update of some sort.

Anyway, kernel panics occur almost immediately after turning airport on, and the iBook works flawlessly when it's turned off. I also experienced the kp's when tilting the iBook, lending credence to what another poster mentioned. Is this somehow related to the Sudden Motion Sensor (mine's version 1.0)?

Here is just one of my panic logs, as they're all identical. Let's get that petition online and running so we can start making progress. Thanks to all who've posted. Here's the log:

Tue Dec 19 10:32:01 2006
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A8800): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 000000000069BC20, msr = 0000000000149030, dsisr = 42000000, dar = 0000000002650008
AsyncSrc = 0000000000000000, CoreFIR = 0000000000000000
L2FIR = 0000000000000000, BusFir = 0000000000000000

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095138 0x00095650 0x00026898 0x000A8800 0x000A7A90 0x000AB780
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x3313F280)
PC=0x0069BC20; MSR=0x00149030; DAR=0x02650008; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x0069BCA8; R1=0x1787BD30; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
Backtrace:
0x01E05140 0x0069D32C 0x006C7D08 0x0003C884 0x000A9314
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.AppleAirPort2(405.1)@0x684000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily(1.5.0)@0x5b1000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x482000
Exception state (sv=0x2D1E6280)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.8.0: Fri Sep 8 17:18:57 PDT 2006; root:xnu-792.12.6.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC
*********

mija · 12-26-2006, 03:11 PM

Now that I think of it, the first KP I had 6 weeks or so ago may also have been related to the Sudden Move Thing. If I remember correctly, I heard a strange noise (like a drive scanning) from the iBook as something had accidentially hit the table it was standing on. A few minutes later I had the first KP. But I may be mistaken. Anyone else seeing any connection to the Sudden Move Sensor?

nquinnathome1 · 12-26-2006, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mija


	Now that I think of it, the first KP I had 6 weeks or so ago may also have been related to the Sudden Move Thing. If I remember correctly, I heard a strange noise (like a drive scanning) from the iBook as something had accidentially hit the table it was standing on. A few minutes later I had the first KP. But I may be mistaken. Anyone else seeing any connection to the Sudden Move Sensor?

I could accept that as being linked; earlier I left my iBook on the desk and tried the AirPort again; I was able to browse the Internet for the few minutes I was using AirPort without problem. I know if I turn it on and move the iBook around it's guaranteed to error though, sometimes immediately, othertimes after a few moments of motion. It also seems to do it if the laptops unlevel; e.g. if it's resting slightly tilted on my knee or lap.

Regarding the drive noise thing; that's always happened with mine; it sometimes just decides to try and eject a disc that isn't there and again, only does it when the laptop is being moved around.

Skinkie · 12-26-2006, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrbernsen


	I also experienced the kp's when tilting the iBook, lending credence to what another poster mentioned. Is this somehow related to the Sudden Motion Sensor (mine's version 1.0)?

Wow I never thought about that! Good thinking!

BTW... please give some feedback about the survey. If it is all ok... I'll add a database to it and we can go measure (and after that to apple and/or media)

nquinnathome1 · 12-27-2006, 03:18 AM

With the survey, maybe changing the wording/selections for dual booting; perhaps 'No', 'Yes - Mac OS X + Linux', 'Yes - Mac OS X + Other' (specify in a text box 'other'?)

Also, what sort of statistical stuff is it? Also, a clause put in stating your email address/name etc won't be used for marketing/sold on will reassure more people.

On a different topic; I tried using AirPort once i'd disabled the SMS but it still Kernel Panicked straight away when I turned AirPort on; it may still be linked to causing *more* KPs but it's not the reason for them.

mija · 12-27-2006, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinkie


	BTW... please give some feedback about the survey. If it is all ok... I'll add a database to it and we can go measure (and after that to apple and/or media)

- I'd say please enable more than one option for "Airport issues"; mine is sometimes panicking immediately, sometimes after a while.
- If more people see a link, it may be a good idea to ask if there were any events that included action of the Sudden Move Sensor around the time of the first KP. (Sorry for my English, but you know what I mean.)

P.S. Thank you for setting up the survey!

dashryt · 12-27-2006, 09:56 AM

For the survey on boot issues and Airport issues...I find that those choices apply more than once to my iBook. That is, I think you should have a "Check all that apply" option. Something like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nquinnathome1


	On a different topic; I tried using AirPort once i'd disabled the SMS but it still Kernel Panicked straight away when I turned AirPort on; it may still be linked to causing more KPs but it's not the reason for them.

I agree with the above quote.

Skinkie · 12-27-2006, 05:08 PM

I'll update the survey soon. Did anyone try to DISABLE the sudden motion sensor? And try if it still panics?

likehella · 12-27-2006, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinkie


	I'll update the survey soon. Did anyone try to DISABLE the sudden motion sensor? And try if it still panics?

That was the first thing I did, it hasn't helped at all.

nquinnathome1 · 12-28-2006, 04:21 AM

I disabled the SMS too; it did absolutely nothing for me.

I don't know whether I'm alone here, but gradually my iBook seems to be getting worse; I now get more blank screens at startup and AirPort crashes quicker when enabled than it did; for me it's starting to look like the logicboard components going 'out of date'. For a company that say they specialise in hardware, it's not a good thing to see; particularly as I know if it bad chips we are neither the first or the last customers of Apple who will suffer the problem.

Oddly, bad chips rarely occur on other PC brands, and of all the PCs I personally built for me/other people, it's never once occurred.

Killergull · 12-28-2006, 08:40 AM

My iBook got worse too. I now get a black screen every time I try to boot.

The "gentle pressing" helps at startup, but I now try to have the iBook in sleep mode as much as I can when not using it. (avoiding the need of restart/startup)

It would be interesting to know from people having this problem and which also have Apple Care. Have anyone of them got their iBooks fixed or repaired? Did they get any diagnostics from Apple when they got their iBook back?

nquinnathome1 · 12-29-2006, 12:05 PM

Quick update; today my iBook actually got a lot worse; it took several attempts to even get it started up and I hadn't touched AirPort at all, then I got some garbled graphics problems too, so i've taken it back to where I bought it and they're going to send it off for repair. I'll post back what they do to it.

mija · 12-29-2006, 12:30 PM

Just adding that mine is now occasionally panicking when I'm using the phone modem. As I normally don't use it, I can't say if this is a recent development; I've run it quite a bit the last week and it crashed about three times.

Skinkie · 12-29-2006, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mija


	Just adding that mine is now occasionally panicking when I'm using the phone modem. As I normally don't use it, I can't say if this is a recent development; I've run it quite a bit the last week and it crashed about three times.

never used the phone

benzkar · 12-29-2006, 11:36 PM

Hello All

I have been using my iBook G4 (1.2 GHz) with no problems since I purchased it in June 05. But over the past 2 days, I have been noticing this weird incident of "no display" when booted and I was hearing a loud fan noise at times and I can hear my HDD spinning etc. When I tried to restart pressing CTRL+OPTION and POWER after shutting it down, it booted up but reverted my PMU to a date in 2001 (resetting all my email, music etc). But when I tried shutting it down again and restarted normally, I heard the bootup chime but no display. Again, I could hear the fan and the HDD spinning.

I took my laptop to the Apple Store here in Boca, FL today and was told that its a logic board problem.

I know there was a Logic Board Repair Initiative from Apple for the G3's and early G4's. Does anyone know such a thing for the fairly recent iBook G4's??.

Any help is immensely appreciated.

Thanks
Karthik
karthikramani@mac.com
rkarthik@ufl.edu

nquinnathome1 · 12-30-2006, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benzkar


	I know there was a Logic Board Repair Initiative from Apple for the G3's and early G4's. Does anyone know such a thing for the fairly recent iBook G4's??. Any help is immensely appreciated. Thanks Karthik karthikramani@mac.com rkarthik@ufl.edu

Unfortunately, there is no logicboard repair program for the new iBook G4s (last release to manufacturing model before switching to MacBooks). All of us here are trying to get together as many complaints about ailing hardware/AirPort problems w/kernel panics as possible to get Apple to do something about it.

markus_k · 12-30-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killergull


	My iBook got worse too. I now get a black screen every time I try to boot. The "gentle pressing" helps at startup, but I now try to have the iBook in sleep mode as much as I can when not using it. (avoiding the need of restart/startup) It would be interesting to know from people having this problem and which also have Apple Care. Have anyone of them got their iBooks fixed or repaired? Did they get any diagnostics from Apple when they got their iBook back?

like I posted a few weeks ago my ibook got repaired (logic board got replaced) and everything is working perfectly right now.
the repairing was done by an apple service provider, who just told me that the logic board was replaced..

Quote:


	Would you mind specifying if you're on 405.1 Airport firmware, and what were the symptoms of crashing - did it seem to happen with movement etc. Also, when did you purchase the machine?

sorry for the late response!
yes, I am on 405.1, but I think I updated AFTER occuring my first kp..
symptoms were: kp after the startup dialog, black screen on start up or openFirmware on start up;
when everything was fine for startup and airport was disabled (or the airport extension was deleted or when I started in safe mode) I didn't get any KP.
ibook was purchased back in august 2005 (right after it was released)

Hairnester · 12-30-2006, 06:38 PM

That's awesome Skinkie. The only thing I have is under the "Are you dual booting" question, change the yes to a no. You might want to also make a list of the most common problems so users coming to the site will be sure that it really is their issue. Are you going to get a domain for it?

jimtigerpt · 12-30-2006, 06:39 PM

Found this forum. Thank goodness! Been having these same KP's as described by almost everyone here. Have a powerbook G4. I have called apple and they told me to try the repairing disc permissions, utility discs, archive and restore, etc.. Well after doing this, still got the KP's. Only noticed them when I lifted up or tilted the computer. I took out the airport extreme card then placed very firmly back in along with the antenna. Was good for a few weeks so was happy. Happened this morning again! At least I think it is airport related. I want to call apple again but not confident they know what to do. And by the way, I am still under warranty with applecare. Very frustrating to say the least. Any ideas would be great to get this fixed. Thanks!

12-26-2006, 01:00 PM	#82
jrbernsen Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3	Me too Just wanted to add my story, as this problem has killed my ability to use wifi as well. Bought my 12 in 1.33 Gz iBook G4 in August of '05 when they were first released. I too began experiencing the kernel panics in early Dec. of '06. Seems odd that no matter when each iBook was purchased, we all seem to have developed this issue within the past month or so. Makes me think it was an update of some sort. Anyway, kernel panics occur almost immediately after turning airport on, and the iBook works flawlessly when it's turned off. I also experienced the kp's when tilting the iBook, lending credence to what another poster mentioned. Is this somehow related to the Sudden Motion Sensor (mine's version 1.0)? Here is just one of my panic logs, as they're all identical. Let's get that petition online and running so we can start making progress. Thanks to all who've posted. Here's the log: Tue Dec 19 10:32:01 2006 panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A8800): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 000000000069BC20, msr = 0000000000149030, dsisr = 42000000, dar = 0000000002650008 AsyncSrc = 0000000000000000, CoreFIR = 0000000000000000 L2FIR = 0000000000000000, BusFir = 0000000000000000 Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0: Backtrace: 0x00095138 0x00095650 0x00026898 0x000A8800 0x000A7A90 0x000AB780 Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x3313F280) PC=0x0069BC20; MSR=0x00149030; DAR=0x02650008; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x0069BCA8; R1=0x1787BD30; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check) Backtrace: 0x01E05140 0x0069D32C 0x006C7D08 0x0003C884 0x000A9314 Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): com.apple.iokit.AppleAirPort2(405.1)@0x684000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily(1.5.0)@0x5b1000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x482000 Exception state (sv=0x2D1E6280) PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown) Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 8.8.0: Fri Sep 8 17:18:57 PDT 2006; root:xnu-792.12.6.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC *********

12-28-2006, 04:21 AM	#91
nquinnathome1 Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Herts, UK Posts: 18	I disabled the SMS too; it did absolutely nothing for me. I don't know whether I'm alone here, but gradually my iBook seems to be getting worse; I now get more blank screens at startup and AirPort crashes quicker when enabled than it did; for me it's starting to look like the logicboard components going 'out of date'. For a company that say they specialise in hardware, it's not a good thing to see; particularly as I know if it bad chips we are neither the first or the last customers of Apple who will suffer the problem. Oddly, bad chips rarely occur on other PC brands, and of all the PCs I personally built for me/other people, it's never once occurred. Last edited by nquinnathome1; 12-28-2006 at 04:32 AM.

12-29-2006, 11:36 PM	#96
benzkar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1	iBook G4 (Jun 2005 model) boot up problems (logic board) Hello All I have been using my iBook G4 (1.2 GHz) with no problems since I purchased it in June 05. But over the past 2 days, I have been noticing this weird incident of "no display" when booted and I was hearing a loud fan noise at times and I can hear my HDD spinning etc. When I tried to restart pressing CTRL+OPTION and POWER after shutting it down, it booted up but reverted my PMU to a date in 2001 (resetting all my email, music etc). But when I tried shutting it down again and restarted normally, I heard the bootup chime but no display. Again, I could hear the fan and the HDD spinning. I took my laptop to the Apple Store here in Boca, FL today and was told that its a logic board problem. I know there was a Logic Board Repair Initiative from Apple for the G3's and early G4's. Does anyone know such a thing for the fairly recent iBook G4's??. Any help is immensely appreciated. Thanks Karthik karthikramani@mac.com rkarthik@ufl.edu

12-30-2006, 06:38 PM	#99
Hairnester Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 28	That's awesome Skinkie. The only thing I have is under the "Are you dual booting" question, change the yes to a no. You might want to also make a list of the most common problems so users coming to the site will be sure that it really is their issue. Are you going to get a domain for it? __________________ Fix my logic board! 12" iBook G4 40GB HD(Expanded w/ 250GB external HD) 1.5 Mhz RAM

12-24-2006, 10:57 AM	#81
nquinnathome1 Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Herts, UK Posts: 18	Hi everyone I'm glad I've found this thread; my iBook G4 (purchased beginning October 2005) has just last night started Kernel Panicing too; I found Airport to be the culprit so found this thread on Google; thought i'd join and show my support for a problem that if many more complain having, surely Apple cannot ignore much longer.

12-26-2006, 03:11 PM	#83
mija Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 22	Now that I think of it, the first KP I had 6 weeks or so ago may also have been related to the Sudden Move Thing. If I remember correctly, I heard a strange noise (like a drive scanning) from the iBook as something had accidentially hit the table it was standing on. A few minutes later I had the first KP. But I may be mistaken. Anyone else seeing any connection to the Sudden Move Sensor?

12-27-2006, 03:18 AM	#86
nquinnathome1 Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Herts, UK Posts: 18	With the survey, maybe changing the wording/selections for dual booting; perhaps 'No', 'Yes - Mac OS X + Linux', 'Yes - Mac OS X + Other' (specify in a text box 'other'?) Also, what sort of statistical stuff is it? Also, a clause put in stating your email address/name etc won't be used for marketing/sold on will reassure more people. On a different topic; I tried using AirPort once i'd disabled the SMS but it still Kernel Panicked straight away when I turned AirPort on; it may still be linked to causing more KPs but it's not the reason for them.

12-27-2006, 05:08 PM	#89
Skinkie Triple-A Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 53	I'll update the survey soon. Did anyone try to DISABLE the sudden motion sensor? And try if it still panics?

12-28-2006, 08:40 AM	#92
Killergull Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	My iBook got worse too. I now get a black screen every time I try to boot. The "gentle pressing" helps at startup, but I now try to have the iBook in sleep mode as much as I can when not using it. (avoiding the need of restart/startup) It would be interesting to know from people having this problem and which also have Apple Care. Have anyone of them got their iBooks fixed or repaired? Did they get any diagnostics from Apple when they got their iBook back?

12-29-2006, 12:05 PM	#93
nquinnathome1 Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Herts, UK Posts: 18	Quick update; today my iBook actually got a lot worse; it took several attempts to even get it started up and I hadn't touched AirPort at all, then I got some garbled graphics problems too, so i've taken it back to where I bought it and they're going to send it off for repair. I'll post back what they do to it.

12-29-2006, 12:30 PM	#94
mija Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 22	Just adding that mine is now occasionally panicking when I'm using the phone modem. As I normally don't use it, I can't say if this is a recent development; I've run it quite a bit the last week and it crashed about three times.

12-30-2006, 06:39 PM	#100
jimtigerpt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1	Found this forum. Thank goodness! Been having these same KP's as described by almost everyone here. Have a powerbook G4. I have called apple and they told me to try the repairing disc permissions, utility discs, archive and restore, etc.. Well after doing this, still got the KP's. Only noticed them when I lifted up or tilted the computer. I took out the airport extreme card then placed very firmly back in along with the antenna. Was good for a few weeks so was happy. Happened this morning again! At least I think it is airport related. I want to call apple again but not confident they know what to do. And by the way, I am still under warranty with applecare. Very frustrating to say the least. Any ideas would be great to get this fixed. Thanks!