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Old 05-19-2006, 10:22 PM   #1
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home & end keys (PC convert seeks function)

i have recently moved to mac

trouble is, i am so used to using the home and end keys, and the apple-left, apple-right method is no good for highlighting huge lines of code quickly, can i set the page up down buttons, or any other single button to perform the same function as either the home or end keys on XP system?
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Old 05-19-2006, 11:45 PM   #2
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I use Shift-Apple-left and Shift-Apple-right to select entire lines. Adding the up and down arrows extends the selection to adjacent lines.
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Old 05-19-2006, 11:57 PM   #3
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QuicKeys is your friend.
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Old 05-20-2006, 09:37 AM   #4
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if i uninstall quickkeys, will my choices remain?
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Old 05-21-2006, 12:47 PM   #5
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No, QuicKeys is both the editing tool and the trigger-trapping & playback mechanism. No QK, no playback.
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Old 05-21-2006, 02:35 PM   #6
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QuickKeys is a crutch for what this guy needs. He should get comfy with how Mac OS X does these things, because it's actually really flexible--as demonstrated already by styrafome. Learning a QK hack is just going to slow his immersion to the platform.

As for home and end, I've never seen a Windows machine that /selected/ text with those keys. Only seen it move the cursor.
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Old 06-01-2006, 08:18 PM   #7
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i am not saying they select, but with one button you have performed the job of two on a mac, so when selecting (as apposed to just moving the cursor) rather than it being a three button job (cumbersome and massivley counter-intuitive) it only requires two (swift, and easy to do without looking away from yoru monitor.
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Old 06-03-2006, 08:43 AM   #8
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Really now, three buttons does not take something from "swift" to "cumbersome & counter-intuitive"... You're just being stubborn now.

All kidding aside, really, it's not that big of a difference. It's just a matter of learning it. Two of the keys are side-by-side, and the other one is in the same place it would be on a PC. I never find myself having to look away from the monitor to use it to select.

If you're going to make the switch, you would be doing yourself a huge disservice to not give it a shot for awhile. All of the shortcuts are quite intuitive, it's just a matter of training yourself.
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Old 06-04-2006, 06:30 AM   #9
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so the diagonal arrows next to page up/down. what is the point of them?
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:32 AM   #10
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Hey Bad_Apple -

you have hit the nail on the head here. I wasnt aware of the apple-left key combo for home until reading this thread. I have had a G4 desktop since 2002 and always been infuriated that the home and end keys do NOTHING, except for in Word, where they work as expected.

Why dont those keys map to apple-left/apple-right... the functionality is there, and I have been thinking that those keys not working are an obvious thorn in the side for potential switchers (as this thread can testify)

i wonder if we can use the keyboard shortcuts to define them?? i will try when i have time...
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:38 AM   #11
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answer - no, you cannot do it with the keyboard preference pane, as this links to menu items only.

BUT, i have just done it with Butler. any of you switchers should check it out - a donationware program to do everything you can think of - run apps when you hit a button, control programs at the hit of an f-key (itunes start/stop etc). and you can define 'keystrokes' where you press one key and it will press any key combo you want.

aaaah, first time in 4 years, home and end work properly. I wonder if anyone has filed a bug report with apple on this?
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:31 PM   #12
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where can i find this butler of which you speak?
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:45 PM   #13
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where can i find this butler of which you speak?

http://www.google.com/search?q=butler+%22os+x%22

Or www.macupdate.com
Or www.versiontracker.com
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Old 10-16-2006, 09:35 AM   #14
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I know this thread is old, but I'll have to say that after a few days with my Mac Pro, I am really missing the home / end / page-up / page-down functionality of my PC keyboard. I code a lot and I miss these keys immensly. I hope apple will someday soon at least let people configure these keys to work as they should.
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Old 10-16-2006, 10:02 AM   #15
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I code a lot and I miss these keys immensly. I hope apple will someday soon at least let people configure these keys to work as they should.

Almost all text editors allow you to configure the key mappings.
For editors implemented with Cocoa, see this macosxhints article:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...60317045211408
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Old 10-16-2006, 10:17 AM   #16
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I am really missing the home / end / page-up / page-down functionality of my PC keyboard…

Did you notice that function+left arrow=home, and funtion+right arrow=end?
I am on a PowerBook keyboard, so the layout is slightly different than the Apple Pro keyboards, but I'm sure you've got it too.
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Old 10-16-2006, 12:57 PM   #17
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yeah, but what doubles as page up and page down?
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Old 10-16-2006, 01:01 PM   #18
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yeah, but what doubles as page up and page down?

Apple Keyboard Shortcuts
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Old 10-16-2006, 01:16 PM   #19
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the 'apple' + arrow key is a nice way to do it, and on the laptops is fine (as they dont have specific home/end keys).

BUT on a full sized keyboard, its crazy to have the buttons there and have them do NOTHING.

Along with two-button mice, this home/end sillyness must be a real shock to switchers.
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Old 10-16-2006, 01:20 PM   #20
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I know this thread is old, but I'll have to say that after a few days with my Mac Pro, I am really missing the home / end / page-up / page-down functionality of my PC keyboard. I code a lot and I miss these keys immensly. I hope apple will someday soon at least let people configure these keys to work as they should.

old thread maybe, but still a valid point.

either follow haynes' guidance with tweaking the cocoa info (above), or get yourself butler and set it to send an 'apple'+arrow event for the home/end keys. It works for me, and you can get it to send different key presses for each app.

oh, and butler does lots more besides, so check it out (or quicksilver, which is also popular)
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