OS X 10.3.9 is out... - Page 2

Craig R. Arko · 04-17-2005, 07:24 AM

First, it appears that Safari 1.3 is very close to being Safari 2.0, so Panther users don't need to feel too left out.

Second, it sounds like the people who are being hit by the Java bug have LimeWire installed. Can someone confirm they have encountered it but do not have LimeWire?

vancenase · 04-17-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig R. Arko


	First, it appears that Safari 1.3 is very close to being Safari 2.0, so Panther users don't need to feel too left out. Second, it sounds like the people who are being hit by the Java bug have LimeWire installed. Can someone confirm they have encountered it but do not have LimeWire?

i do not have LimeWire installed and had a problem

04-17-2005, 11:14 AM

I can confirm I don't have limewire installed and had a problem. I feel so annoyed by this so called update, I've gone back to 10.3.8.

Craig R. Arko · 04-17-2005, 11:47 AM

Well, if you guys want to start troubleshooting threads in the appropriate area (if you haven't already) I'm sure someone here will give it their best shot.

vancenase · 04-17-2005, 11:49 AM

unfortunately, i didn't save my error, but re-applying the 2005-02 security patch appeared to resolve the issue.

voldenuit · 04-17-2005, 04:28 PM

To nail these strange interdependencies, it would be pretty useful to have a way to produce an anonymised System profile that could be sent someplace public, then do data-mining to figure out what works and what breaks.

Maybe such a solution already exists as part of a QA/beta-testing program.

Anyway, Apple would be well advised to ponder their options to make update-QA better, it is just not good enough to be less ridicule than a big competitor...

It would also help to publish a real change-log (like in with useful technical details) with the updates to enable clued users to figure out what parts of the system are going to be touched and in what way.

hayne · 04-17-2005, 10:14 PM

Well, Apple does say that you need to remove all 3rd-party system "enhancements" before installing the update.
And as far as Safari goes, I don't think any of the Safari-add ons have been sanctioned by Apple, so it's not too surprising that they break with every few releases.

This thread should not become a troubleshooting thread (it is in the wrong section for that) but one of the first things that we need to find out in such a troubleshooting thread is whether anyone with a "vanilla" system is having the trouble.

NovaScotian · 04-18-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hayne


	Well, Apple does say that you need to remove all 3rd-party system "enhancements" before installing the update... -- snip -- ... one of the first things that we need to find out in such a troubleshooting thread is whether anyone with a "vanilla" system is having the trouble.

A short time ago, my Safari would not start. As part of the cure, I searched for every file, visible or not, with Safari anywhere in its name and moved them all to a holding folder. After reloading a fresh copy of Safari, I discovered the problem and fixed it with help from hayne, but except for the bookmarks, never put any of the rest back so when the 10.3.9 upgrade came along it installed without a hitch. I do have several Unsanity APEs and they were trouble free. The moral of the story is as hayne puts it. Remove any Safari enhancements before upgrading. Plain Vanilla works!

hayne · 04-18-2005, 10:11 AM

By the way, I just read on Dave Hyatt's (he's the lead Safari developer) blog that Safari 1.3 (that comes with OS X 10.3.9) has the same WebKit engine that will come with Safari 2.0 (in Tiger):
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt...04.html#007962
This means that if something works with Safari 1.3, it is quite likely it will work with the version we will get with Tiger.

Raven · 04-18-2005, 12:33 PM

I can confirm the same Java issue... Broken when I updated, but re-applying the security update did fix it...

That make's for a weird update fix but does work

hayne · 04-18-2005, 12:58 PM

As I pointed out in a comment on the main macosxhints site, the security update reapply removes the improvements in JavaScript that came with 10.3.9.
Even though Java and JavaScript are (despite the name) unrelated, they are often used together on interactive web sites. So it seems that the problems are actually due to JavaScript, not Java.

FireWired · 04-18-2005, 09:16 PM

Although this doesn't have to do with the current Java issues, I just wanted to point out some small changes (apart from the obvious) in Safari 1.3 -- (apoligies if they've already been mentioned.) -- for those who care about insignificant little things like me.

It seems the keyboard shortcut for view source has changed from Command-Option-V to Command-Option-U.

When you drag your pointer (or press Command-A) to select items on a page, it now selects just about everything, whereas before, it would only select the text and images, I believe.

Here on macosxhints forums, the "Search" menu seems to be animated! When clicked the search field opens up by spanning from the top left or top right corner. Before, it simply just appeared.

I don't think I like the first two things I mentioned, but the third's cool. (That is different right? I'm not going crazy am I?)

Also, I've definitely noticed an overall speed boost.

As for me, after the update (and repairing pemissions before and after), I've had no problems.

MBHockey · 04-18-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FireWired


	I don't think I like the first two things I mentioned, but the third's cool. (That is different right? I'm not going crazy am I?) Also, I've definitely noticed an overall speed boost. As for me, after the update (and repairing pemissions before and after), I've had no problems.

Yeah that's new; to Safari. That little animation has been around in all the Mozilla browsers for some time now.

There is certainly a drastic speed boost, most notably with JavaScript and its HTML rendering engine. Running BenchJS (online javascript benchmark), Safari now scores under 12 seconds for the entire test on my 1GHz G4, where as Firefox 1.0.3 finished over 20 seconds on the same machine, and Safari 1.2 used to finish horribly, at about 28-30 seconds.

Can't wait for Safari 2.0 in 11 days

hayne · 04-19-2005, 01:13 PM

Re Java problems after 10.3.9 update:

1) It seems that what might have caused the problems is having a Java application running while you did the 10.3.9 update.
While in theory you should be able to continue to use your Mac while an update is being applied, it is certainly safer to quit other programs when doing an update.

2) Apple has put up a document explaining how to diagnose and fix the problem: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380

nicholaspaul · 04-20-2005, 07:58 PM

Who am i to argue whether or not I need an update? !
I first discovered a problem when Cyberduck (ftp program) would quit before it started. Safari has given me problems for a while, but thats ok, I'm a Firefox convert.
I also suffered from the inability to install Java 1.4.2. and resorted to the unpkg method.

Two hours later, I'm still placing files veeery carefully into their respective folders.

Who'd have thunk that a simple (!) OSX update would be such a PITA.

Phil St. Romain · 04-21-2005, 02:56 PM

Well, folks, if you're getting Tiger in a few days and things are already running OK with 10.3.8 or earlier, why bother with this one?

voldenuit · 04-22-2005, 03:32 PM

Apple, ignoring Phil's tentative reality-distortion-field-emulation, has released a fix for the Java screwup:

http://www.apple.com/support/downloa...acosx1039.html

It is not visible for cowards like me in softwareupdate.
Most likely, I'd have to get the broken updater before I get the fix...

Any success already fixing broken systems anyone ?

hayne · 04-22-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by voldenuit


	Apple, ignoring Phil's tentative reality-distortion-field-emulation, has released a fix for the Java screwup: http://www.apple.com/support/downloa...acosx1039.html

Just for the record, I decided against applying this latest "fix" since I have not (yet?) experienced any problem with the 10.3.9 update regarding Java. The "fix" referred to above seems to disable a small optimization ("Java Shared Archive") used in Java. The accompanying technote explains how to restore the optimization afterwards via some Terminal commands.
But since my Java installation seems to be working fine, I decided to leave it alone. So I told Software Update to ignore this particular update.

MBHockey · 04-22-2005, 04:37 PM

As did I. No problems with 10.3.9, so I doubt anything needs fixing! Plus Tiger is coming in exactly a week!

walchan99 · 04-24-2005, 11:23 AM

Just thought I'd share that my mirror backup (to ext. FW HD via Deja Vu) is galloping after upgrading to 10.3.9.

04-17-2005, 07:24 AM	#21
Craig R. Arko Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,988	Two things First, it appears that Safari 1.3 is very close to being Safari 2.0, so Panther users don't need to feel too left out. Second, it sounds like the people who are being hit by the Java bug have LimeWire installed. Can someone confirm they have encountered it but do not have LimeWire?

04-18-2005, 12:33 PM	#30
Raven Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 4,782	I can confirm the same Java issue... Broken when I updated, but re-applying the security update did fix it... That make's for a weird update fix but does work __________________ Waffled foreheads are a symptom of broken keyboards and inexperienced users

04-18-2005, 09:16 PM	#32
FireWired Major Leaguer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 452	Although this doesn't have to do with the current Java issues, I just wanted to point out some small changes (apart from the obvious) in Safari 1.3 -- (apoligies if they've already been mentioned.) -- for those who care about insignificant little things like me. It seems the keyboard shortcut for view source has changed from Command-Option-V to Command-Option-U. When you drag your pointer (or press Command-A) to select items on a page, it now selects just about everything, whereas before, it would only select the text and images, I believe. Here on macosxhints forums, the "Search" menu seems to be animated! When clicked the search field opens up by spanning from the top left or top right corner. Before, it simply just appeared. I don't think I like the first two things I mentioned, but the third's cool. (That is different right? I'm not going crazy am I?) Also, I've definitely noticed an overall speed boost. As for me, after the update (and repairing pemissions before and after), I've had no problems. __________________ "The truth is, banana peels just aren't that slippery."

04-24-2005, 11:23 AM	#40
walchan99 All Star Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 542	Just thought I'd share that my mirror backup (to ext. FW HD via Deja Vu) is galloping after upgrading to 10.3.9. __________________ •iMac•20"•2.4GHz C2D•4GB•10.8.5 •MacBook Pro 15" 2.4 GHz 10.6.8 •AluBook 15" 1.25 GHz 10.5.8 •Wireless: Time Capsule 1GB/AEBS/AEx •iPhone5 6.12 •iPad2 6.12 •Apple TV 3G 6.1

04-17-2005, 11:14 AM	#23
ibroughton Guest Posts: n/a	I can confirm I don't have limewire installed and had a problem. I feel so annoyed by this so called update, I've gone back to 10.3.8.

04-17-2005, 11:47 AM	#24
Craig R. Arko Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,988	Well, if you guys want to start troubleshooting threads in the appropriate area (if you haven't already) I'm sure someone here will give it their best shot.

04-17-2005, 11:49 AM	#25
vancenase All Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: OH Posts: 934	unfortunately, i didn't save my error, but re-applying the 2005-02 security patch appeared to resolve the issue.

04-17-2005, 04:28 PM	#26
voldenuit League Commissioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Old Europe Posts: 5,146	To nail these strange interdependencies, it would be pretty useful to have a way to produce an anonymised System profile that could be sent someplace public, then do data-mining to figure out what works and what breaks. Maybe such a solution already exists as part of a QA/beta-testing program. Anyway, Apple would be well advised to ponder their options to make update-QA better, it is just not good enough to be less ridicule than a big competitor... It would also help to publish a real change-log (like in with useful technical details) with the updates to enable clued users to figure out what parts of the system are going to be touched and in what way.

04-17-2005, 10:14 PM	#27
hayne Site Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 32,473	Well, Apple does say that you need to remove all 3rd-party system "enhancements" before installing the update. And as far as Safari goes, I don't think any of the Safari-add ons have been sanctioned by Apple, so it's not too surprising that they break with every few releases. This thread should not become a troubleshooting thread (it is in the wrong section for that) but one of the first things that we need to find out in such a troubleshooting thread is whether anyone with a "vanilla" system is having the trouble.

04-18-2005, 10:11 AM	#29
hayne Site Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 32,473	By the way, I just read on Dave Hyatt's (he's the lead Safari developer) blog that Safari 1.3 (that comes with OS X 10.3.9) has the same WebKit engine that will come with Safari 2.0 (in Tiger): http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt...04.html#007962 This means that if something works with Safari 1.3, it is quite likely it will work with the version we will get with Tiger.

04-18-2005, 12:58 PM	#31
hayne Site Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 32,473	As I pointed out in a comment on the main macosxhints site, the security update reapply removes the improvements in JavaScript that came with 10.3.9. Even though Java and JavaScript are (despite the name) unrelated, they are often used together on interactive web sites. So it seems that the problems are actually due to JavaScript, not Java.

04-19-2005, 01:13 PM	#34
hayne Site Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 32,473	Re Java problems after 10.3.9 update: 1) It seems that what might have caused the problems is having a Java application running while you did the 10.3.9 update. While in theory you should be able to continue to use your Mac while an update is being applied, it is certainly safer to quit other programs when doing an update. 2) Apple has put up a document explaining how to diagnose and fix the problem: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380

04-20-2005, 07:58 PM	#35
nicholaspaul Prospect Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 16	Who am i to argue whether or not I need an update? ! I first discovered a problem when Cyberduck (ftp program) would quit before it started. Safari has given me problems for a while, but thats ok, I'm a Firefox convert. I also suffered from the inability to install Java 1.4.2. and resorted to the unpkg method. Two hours later, I'm still placing files veeery carefully into their respective folders. Who'd have thunk that a simple (!) OSX update would be such a PITA.

04-21-2005, 02:56 PM	#36
Phil St. Romain Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 2,350	Well, folks, if you're getting Tiger in a few days and things are already running OK with 10.3.8 or earlier, why bother with this one?

04-22-2005, 03:32 PM	#37
voldenuit League Commissioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Old Europe Posts: 5,146	Apple, ignoring Phil's tentative reality-distortion-field-emulation, has released a fix for the Java screwup: http://www.apple.com/support/downloa...acosx1039.html It is not visible for cowards like me in softwareupdate. Most likely, I'd have to get the broken updater before I get the fix... Any success already fixing broken systems anyone ?

04-22-2005, 04:37 PM	#39
MBHockey MVP Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Posts: 2,211	As did I. No problems with 10.3.9, so I doubt anything needs fixing! Plus Tiger is coming in exactly a week!