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Old 01-06-2005, 03:10 AM   #1
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Question Safari vs Internet Explorer

I read here and there that Safari is so much better than IE to use on a Mac. I have tried to adopt it as my main web browser but here are the problems I have had:
- Safari doesn't allow website downloads with a choice of depth levels, you have to use another software like webgrabber for instance. (IE does)
- A simple File ...Save as in Safari doesn't save the pictures of a webpage (IE does)
- Safari seems to unexpectedly quite often on my computer (IE doesn't)

What are the true advantages of Safari over IE?
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Old 01-06-2005, 06:30 AM   #2
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I read here and there that Safari is so much better than IE to use on a Mac. I have tried to adopt it as my main web browser but here are the problems I have had:
- Safari doesn't allow website downloads with a choice of depth levels, you have to use another software like webgrabber for instance. (IE does)
- A simple File ...Save as in Safari doesn't save the pictures of a webpage (IE does)
- Safari seems to unexpectedly quite often on my computer (IE doesn't)

What are the true advantages of Safari over IE?
Thanks

Odd that you Safari just quits? I personaly now use Safari only, i am a new Windoze convert and tried to use WE at first but found it slow on my powerbook. Safari is far quicker for me. Also another advantage for me is the bookmarks on isync.

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Old 01-06-2005, 08:57 AM   #3
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What are the true advantages of Safari over IE?

Fast
Stable
Standards compliant
Attractive
Blocks popups
Snapback
Tabbed interface
Google search in address bar
Far fewer bugs
Being actively updated (IE Mac is abandoned)


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Old 01-06-2005, 09:09 AM   #4
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Regardless of which browser you use, might i suggest instead of choosing the "Save" option, go to "Print" and then "Save as PDF".

Then you can be sure that the images and layout will be exactly as you see it!!
(...although you do lose the links on the page)
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Old 01-06-2005, 09:14 AM   #5
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Safari issues seem rare. I use Firefox, which I find vastly superior to both Safari and IE (others prefer Safari), but when I do use Safari it works perfectly. I don't know how to troubleshoot your Safari problem, but maybe give Firefox a try? http://www.mozilla.org

Really, I didn't know anyone actually used IE on Mac.
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Old 01-06-2005, 09:21 AM   #6
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Me neither.
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Old 01-06-2005, 09:28 AM   #7
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- Safari seems to unexpectedly quite often on my computer (IE doesn't)

As a general rule, if an app is unexpectedly quitting a lot, trash its prefs file. Prefs files are found in /Users/yourusername/Library/Preferences. Safari's prefs file is named com.apple.Safari.plist

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Old 01-06-2005, 09:58 AM   #8
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Also, clear the cache. Safari has been very stable for me. Look also in to the utility Safari Enhancer. It has some neat tweaks.
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Old 01-06-2005, 10:03 AM   #9
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I read here and there that Safari is so much better than IE to use on a Mac. I have tried to adopt it as my main web browser but here are the problems I have had:
- Safari doesn't allow website downloads with a choice of depth levels, you have to use another software like webgrabber for instance. (IE does)
- A simple File ...Save as in Safari doesn't save the pictures of a webpage (IE does)
- Safari seems to unexpectedly quite often on my computer (IE doesn't)

What are the true advantages of Safari over IE?
Thanks

In my opinion the main advantages are rendering speed, tabbed browsing and popup blocking. The google search box is also nice. Safari does however have problems with some banking sites, and it stinks at displaying animated gifs (wanna see safari take up 100% CPU? Try opening this page http://www.videohelp.com/forum/posting.php?mode=smilies).

Firefox is also worth looking at, but it has its own share of problems, mostly to do with the user interface. Like not being able to close a tab without switching to it
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Old 01-06-2005, 10:18 AM   #10
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Also go to Preferences, Autofill, Other forms, click edit and remove all. This will remove all your current autofill prefs for the sites you've been to. One or more may be corrupt.
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Old 01-06-2005, 12:07 PM   #11
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Regardless of which browser you use, might i suggest instead of choosing the "Save" option, go to "Print" and then "Save as PDF".

Then you can be sure that the images and layout will be exactly as you see it!!
(...although you do lose the links on the page)

sorry, I think can only be true if the page does not have a "print" stylesheet:
Print Stylesheets - css-discuss
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=PrintStylesheets

if it does and you want an exact copy of what the page looks like, I think
Firefox: Save Page As...
will get the associated files (anybody do this?) or there are specialized programs based, for example, on wget.

you can keep the page and files as an offline archive, or edit them to ensure that the same stylesheet is used for both the browser and for printing. when you are sure there is no "print" stylesheet you can make a PDF, just be sure you have checked:
Safari: File > Print > Safari (in third drop box) > Print Backgrounds
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Old 01-06-2005, 01:21 PM   #12
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Like not being able to close a tab without switching to it

Not true. Right-click the tab and select "Close tab."
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Old 01-06-2005, 08:24 PM   #13
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I read here and there that Safari is so much better than IE to use on a Mac. I have tried to adopt it as my main web browser

Which version of Safari are you using? Are you using the latest version--1.2.4?
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Old 01-06-2005, 09:11 PM   #14
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Recursive website downloads

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- Safari doesn't allow website downloads with a choice of depth levels, you have to use another software like webgrabber for instance. (IE does)

OmniWeb is my new browser of choice, but Safari is also very good.

Safari doesn't offer recursive downloads, but I've always found WebGrabber etc. very limited, and apps of that ilk are usually paid for. The built-in IE one was slow as treacle, as I remember.

I've found that the best way to download web pages recursively is by using the excellent wget utility, downloadable as part of the Fink project, and there are also several GUI front-end apps which will make it nice and friendly.

You can even have wget convert links to relative ones so that you can browse the site locally. It also has a choice of depth levels to its 'recursiveness'[sp] with the -l option.

Just run:
wget -rk http://www.thewebsite.com/index.html or type
wget --help for more options.
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Old 01-12-2005, 12:20 AM   #15
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Not true. Right-click the tab and select "Close tab."

The 'Tabbrowser Extensions' extension (and at least one other Mozilla/Firefox extension, I think) will also allow you to add a close button to each tab, if I remember correctly. Personally, I just use right-click and Close tab, as well. ^_^
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Old 01-12-2005, 01:19 AM   #16
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(wanna see safari take up 100% CPU? Try opening this page http://www.videohelp.com/forum/posting.php?mode=smilies).

Highest it went on my G5 was 74% of one processor.
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Old 01-12-2005, 01:33 AM   #17
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it stinks at displaying animated gifs (wanna see safari take up 100% CPU? Try opening this page http://www.videohelp.com/forum/posting.php?mode=smilies).

That page loaded over the course of maybe 20 seconds or so. The highest CPU usage by Safari during that time was 37% on my 1.2 MHz G4 iBook. But the page was being filtered by Privoxy, which stops animations after one cycle. If I disable Privoxy, the CPU usage goes as high as 62% and then settles around 56% after the page has fully loaded.

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