DiskWarrior Boot Disk

s_dd1 · 07-19-2004, 09:37 PM

I have the downloaded version of DiskWarrior 3 and tried unsuccessfully to make a boot disk for my G4. Is there anyone out there who knows how? Thanks!

Welles Goodrich · 07-19-2004, 11:27 PM

http://www.alsoft.com/beforeyoubuy.html

If you are purchasing DiskWarrior

• Repairing your usual startup disk requires that you start up from another disk. In order to use the download copy of DiskWarrior, you will need to start up from another Mac OS X 10.2.1 or higher disk. You will then need to run a copy of DiskWarrior from a disk that is not the disk you are repairing. (The DiskWarrior download does not include the Apple System files necessary to create a startup CD.)

geno · 07-20-2004, 02:39 AM

I used a program called BootCD. It’s shareware. http://www.charlessoft.com/
You can add the Diskwarrior program to the boot disk. You run DW program by draging it to the ram disk that is created with BootCD.

The boot CD takes a long long time to load.

Good luck. Geno

s_dd1 · 07-20-2004, 02:54 AM

I thought so but I was hoping I made a mistake. My G4 crashed Saturday when I was using Netscape and I have been trying to get it up and running since then. I actually made a boot disk with BootCD and added DiskWarrior. I was able to get DiskWarrior to run and was even able to view my hardrive. Unfortunately I go a message that said "Master does not support S.M.A.R.T." Bummer!

Anyway, thanks for the info. I am in the process of gettting TechTool from Micromat. Maybe that will do it. Thanks!

tlarkin · 07-20-2004, 12:03 PM

SMART (system management analysis recovery technology) is old and busted. It really does not do anything beneficial, and I have seen it report problems when there are really no problems. I have ran full surface scans on hardrives, along with data stress tests, drive mechanics tests, etc on drives that have had SMART failures, and you know what? The drive passed all the tests. This has happened more than once.

Sorry to go off on a rant there, but your problem may just be a hosed file system. Do you have a firewire HD? load an OS and disk warrior off it, then boot off it via target mode? Do you have another mac with firewire? Connect both machines and boot your G4 via target mode onto that other mac and then run disk warrior. If you have access to another mac there is a way to make a boot cd from the terminal using commands, I have never used it but I hear its a bit buggy.

Here is the link

s_dd1 · 07-20-2004, 04:40 PM

Fortunately my iMac 600 has firewire. I just bought the G4 last month and luckily I hadn't sold the iMac yet. Thanks for the SMART info. You are super!

ps...
I just check out your great site. What a great resource!

Ariannus · 01-11-2005, 10:41 AM

First I would like to apologize for reopening this old thread but considering I found it on the first page of my Google search I think I need to correct a little misinformation in it.

First of all SMART stands for "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology". It is not "old and busted" and is very useful for what it does. The purpose of SMART is not to recovering your data and has nothing to do with repairing problems on your drive. The purpose of SMART is to be an early warning system for possible drive failure.

SMART basically works by storing a log of all the performance statistics of your drive. When those statistics reach a certain point the drive reaches a 'pre-failure' status, which means that the statistic has reached a level that the drive manufacture decided was beyond the normal operating levels for the drive. It doesn't mean that the drive will die tomorrow and not having any errors doesn't guarantee that it won't. SMART will warn you about approximately 70% of impending drive failures, but it is still just a warning.

Here is an example or a SMART report from I drive that I am about to replace in one of our servers: (I couldn't figure out how to get it to display in a fixed width font so if you can't read the table copy it to a text editor and view it in Courier)

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 075 067 034 Pre-fail Always - 139058889
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 085 083 000 Pre-fail Always - 0
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 081 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 142082886
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 078 078 000 Old_age Always - 19525
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 58
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 044 055 000 Old_age Always - 44
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 075 067 000 Old_age Always - 139058889
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
202 TA_Increase_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0

tlarkin · 01-11-2005, 01:20 PM

I always disable SMART in the BIOS on all my PCs, because it can also cause problems. I have seen it report incorrect errors. I have seen it call a drive bad, when really the partition was just hosed. I have seen it interfere with bootable apps.

So, it has its ups and downs.

07-19-2004, 09:37 PM	#1
s_dd1 Prospect Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4	DiskWarrior Boot Disk I have the downloaded version of DiskWarrior 3 and tried unsuccessfully to make a boot disk for my G4. Is there anyone out there who knows how? Thanks!

07-19-2004, 11:27 PM	#2
Welles Goodrich Triple-A Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 223	From the Before You Buy page... http://www.alsoft.com/beforeyoubuy.html If you are purchasing DiskWarrior • Repairing your usual startup disk requires that you start up from another disk. In order to use the download copy of DiskWarrior, you will need to start up from another Mac OS X 10.2.1 or higher disk. You will then need to run a copy of DiskWarrior from a disk that is not the disk you are repairing. (The DiskWarrior download does not include the Apple System files necessary to create a startup CD.)

07-20-2004, 02:54 AM	#4
s_dd1 Prospect Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4	DiskWarrior Boot Disk I thought so but I was hoping I made a mistake. My G4 crashed Saturday when I was using Netscape and I have been trying to get it up and running since then. I actually made a boot disk with BootCD and added DiskWarrior. I was able to get DiskWarrior to run and was even able to view my hardrive. Unfortunately I go a message that said "Master does not support S.M.A.R.T." Bummer! Anyway, thanks for the info. I am in the process of gettting TechTool from Micromat. Maybe that will do it. Thanks!

07-20-2004, 12:03 PM	#5
tlarkin League Commissioner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 11,352	SMART (system management analysis recovery technology) is old and busted. It really does not do anything beneficial, and I have seen it report problems when there are really no problems. I have ran full surface scans on hardrives, along with data stress tests, drive mechanics tests, etc on drives that have had SMART failures, and you know what? The drive passed all the tests. This has happened more than once. Sorry to go off on a rant there, but your problem may just be a hosed file system. Do you have a firewire HD? load an OS and disk warrior off it, then boot off it via target mode? Do you have another mac with firewire? Connect both machines and boot your G4 via target mode onto that other mac and then run disk warrior. If you have access to another mac there is a way to make a boot cd from the terminal using commands, I have never used it but I hear its a bit buggy. Here is the link __________________ sudo make me a sammich

07-20-2004, 04:40 PM	#6
s_dd1 Prospect Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4	Fortunately my iMac 600 has firewire. I just bought the G4 last month and luckily I hadn't sold the iMac yet. Thanks for the SMART info. You are super! ps... I just check out your great site. What a great resource! Last edited by s_dd1; 07-20-2004 at 04:43 PM. Reason: Additional info.

07-20-2004, 02:39 AM	#3
geno Prospect Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1	I used a program called BootCD. It’s shareware. http://www.charlessoft.com/ You can add the Diskwarrior program to the boot disk. You run DW program by draging it to the ram disk that is created with BootCD. The boot CD takes a long long time to load. Good luck. Geno

01-11-2005, 10:41 AM	#7
Ariannus Prospect Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2	First I would like to apologize for reopening this old thread but considering I found it on the first page of my Google search I think I need to correct a little misinformation in it. First of all SMART stands for "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology". It is not "old and busted" and is very useful for what it does. The purpose of SMART is not to recovering your data and has nothing to do with repairing problems on your drive. The purpose of SMART is to be an early warning system for possible drive failure. SMART basically works by storing a log of all the performance statistics of your drive. When those statistics reach a certain point the drive reaches a 'pre-failure' status, which means that the statistic has reached a level that the drive manufacture decided was beyond the normal operating levels for the drive. It doesn't mean that the drive will die tomorrow and not having any errors doesn't guarantee that it won't. SMART will warn you about approximately 70% of impending drive failures, but it is still just a warning. Here is an example or a SMART report from I drive that I am about to replace in one of our servers: (I couldn't figure out how to get it to display in a fixed width font so if you can't read the table copy it to a text editor and view it in Courier) SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 075 067 034 Pre-fail Always - 139058889 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 085 083 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 081 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 142082886 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 078 078 000 Old_age Always - 19525 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 58 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 044 055 000 Old_age Always - 44 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 075 067 000 Old_age Always - 139058889 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 202 TA_Increase_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0

01-11-2005, 01:20 PM	#8
tlarkin League Commissioner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 11,352	I always disable SMART in the BIOS on all my PCs, because it can also cause problems. I have seen it report incorrect errors. I have seen it call a drive bad, when really the partition was just hosed. I have seen it interfere with bootable apps. So, it has its ups and downs. __________________ sudo make me a sammich