Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' - Page 5

opium · 06-11-2004, 11:12 PM

no one has seemed to mention isync yet. hmm, wonder why?

If it is because the "iApps" are not considered to be a part of the OS please forgive my opinion that they should be.

Everyone knows that isync is a piece of garbage in it's present condition (who ever keeps their contacts unfiled, or of a 10 minute sync?) but the thought of the integration with the entire system is pure brilliance. It has been really just a test... until now. Because now, Apple really needs it.

Now that PalmSource has stopped supporting Mac, the sad truth is that if Apple wants to maintain it's market share this needs to be an important item on it's agenda. As handhelds get increasingly more powerful and versatile, people become more and more reliant on them. I know that I probably log just as many hours on my PDA than as on my desktop. (although I am sure this is not true for those who work with photoshop, etc.)And unless MarkSpace's MissingSync for Cobalt is dramatically different than any of their present products, syncing a PDA with a Mac will be like fixing a car with tape.

This is NOT the responsibility of a 3rd party developer. This is Apple's problem. We are Mac OSX users. We deserve to have the very best of software and integration because the company that makes our computers is undoubtedly the best there is. There should be iTunes, iPhoto, iCal and Address book integration out of the box and it should be all plug and play.

Why? Because that is what I have come to expect from Apple.

yellow · 06-12-2004, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by opium


	Now that PalmSource has stopped supporting Mac, the sad truth is that if Apple wants to maintain it's market share this needs to be an important item on it's agenda. As handhelds get increasingly more powerful and versatile, people become more and more reliant on them. I know that I probably log just as many hours on my PDA than as on my desktop. (although I am sure this is not true for those who work with photoshop, etc.)And unless MarkSpace's MissingSync for Cobalt is dramatically different than any of their present products, syncing a PDA with a Mac will be like fixing a car with tape.

They've flipflopped on this issue. PalmOne will be providing some sort of Palm<->Mac sync, though the route (in-house vs. 3rd party) has not yet been decided on.

mclbruce · 06-12-2004, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellow


	They've flipflopped on this issue. PalmOne will be providing some sort of Palm<->Mac sync, though the route (in-house vs. 3rd party) has not yet been decided on.

Note that Palm is now officially two separate companies. My take on this is that the software Palm company has officially abandoned the Mac. The hardware Palm company is saying, "wait a minute here, we want to sell more hardware to Mac folk!"

So the hardware Palm people will try to do a deal with a 3rd party vendor. However, that leaves out other PalmOS hardware manufacturers, they will have to make their own deals with a 3rd party vendor, or abandon Macs.

osxpounder · 06-14-2004, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by schneb


	Man, dartar, we are totally on the same page. But what is meant by granularity? I have heard the term used before.

As I understand it, granularity refers to resolution, or the level of detail, with which you are dealing. The more granularity, the more fine detail, or number of details, are available. Less granularity implies less detail or fewer details. A boss around here likes to ask for reports that are "less granular", adding that she'll ask for "more granularity" if she decides she needs to know more details. I hope that helps, and hope I have it right.

schneb · 06-14-2004, 05:22 PM

OK, I see.

My view is that by default, out of the box, OSX should be super simple with a simple Finder (rememeber that?). However, I think there should be an application called iTheme where I can set the level of granularity-- complex Finder, Local Network Access, Administration tools, etc. As someone who knows my Mac fairly well, I should have the ability to complex it up to whatever I need. Within iThemes there can be settings for various user levels--Novice, Intermediate, Advanced and Custom. This way, everyone is comfortable.

rusto · 06-14-2004, 08:04 PM

Hrm, to me "granularity" is not necessarily "level of detail" in itself but a characteristic that allows you to distinguish one concept/item from another. In other words, to me, "low granularity" means a system or set that appears more homogenious while "high granularity" means system/set items are more descretely distinct. This can be apparent at either a high or low level.

schneb · 06-15-2004, 01:48 PM

I found this link on Google.

The best two definitions in the list are...

The degree to which a system contains separate components. Systems with greater granularity are more flexible.
The level of detail at which an information object or resource is viewed or described.

So OSXpounder and Rusto are right, but the above definitions are a bit more detailed to the earlier post. - Thanks all.

yellow · 06-28-2004, 01:48 PM

Does anyone know if this keynote will be broadcast live? If so, do you have a link? Thanks!

Craig R. Arko · 06-28-2004, 01:58 PM

No. There is expected to be a delayed broadcast on:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/

later. Maybe later today, maybe tomorrow.

yellow · 06-28-2004, 01:58 PM

Ah, ok. That was where I've been looking and was surprised not to see any info about it. Thanks!

macmath · 06-28-2004, 01:59 PM

I don't think that it is supposed to be live.

I've been depending on MacCentral for frequent text updates.

A similar one at MacRumors did not work well for me. Nor did this feed work for me.

macmath · 06-28-2004, 02:03 PM

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Craig R. Arko · 06-28-2004, 02:52 PM

Here's a summary page:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/

schneb · 06-28-2004, 04:41 PM

Automator was something needed for the average user for some time! In fact, I'd been morning the loss of MacroMaker for years!

osxpounder · 06-29-2004, 11:45 AM

I wonder if it will totally replace Youpi Key for me. I know I'll be upping to Tiger anyway, but I'm so curious because I'm just a fan of OSX.

schneb · 06-30-2004, 12:42 PM

In my case, iKey. If it allows the automatic typing of text, then yes it will, at least for me.

Let me see Tiger has replacements for...

Konfabulator - $25
Lauchbar - $20
Quickeys - $100

I'm being flippant, but just for grins. Guess I'm trying to justify purchasing Tiger though, so far, it offers nothing I truly need.

hayne · 06-30-2004, 12:54 PM

I'm surprised by people thinking that Automater will be a replacement for keyboard utilities. In my reading of the web page that Apple has supplied on Automater, it seems to provide an easy way of creating a script of actions. It doesn't seem to provide any keyboard facility for running that script. The web page says "After you create a Workflow, you execute it by clicking the Run button in the Workflow document window."
Am I missing something?

schneb · 06-30-2004, 01:52 PM

I'm sure you are right, Hayne, but I'm not quite sure all it can do yet. That is OK seeing that iKey is a great macro utility for this purpose. I for one may upgrade to Tiger based on Automator alone since I could never get a good grip on AppleScript.

osxpounder · 06-30-2004, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schneb


	I'm sure you are right, Hayne, but I'm not quite sure all it can do yet. That is OK seeing that iKey is a great macro utility for this purpose. I for one may upgrade to Tiger based on Automator alone since I could never get a good grip on AppleScript.

Hayne, no one in this thread has assumed [yet] that that Automator will be a replacement for keyboard utilities. I wondered if it might; Schneb offered the possibility it might, "if" it replaced the functions of iKey. We are hopeful, it seems, and, speaking for myself, I will definitely look into Automator as more details become available. It's not the reason I plan to upgrade, though -- I work in a multimedia production facility and we keep the machinery and software upgraded, so I'll be getting Tiger whether or not its Automator proves of any use to me. So, no, I don't think you're missing anything.

I have to admit, the similarities between Apple's description of Automator and Photoshop's Actions automation give me pause -- I'd be much happier with a utility that recorded any/all user interaction for later playback & for playback a given number of repetitions. Others will have different needs, but those are particularly what I am hoping for.

schneb · 07-01-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by osxpounder


	I'd be much happier with a utility that recorded any/all user interaction for later playback & for playback a given number of repetitions. Others will have different needs, but those are particularly what I am hoping for.

That reminds me ALOT of MacroMaker back in the OS6 days. Remember the cassette recorder layout? What a great utility!!

06-14-2004, 05:22 PM	#85
schneb MVP Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 2,300	OK, I see. My view is that by default, out of the box, OSX should be super simple with a simple Finder (rememeber that?). However, I think there should be an application called iTheme where I can set the level of granularity-- complex Finder, Local Network Access, Administration tools, etc. As someone who knows my Mac fairly well, I should have the ability to complex it up to whatever I need. Within iThemes there can be settings for various user levels--Novice, Intermediate, Advanced and Custom. This way, everyone is comfortable. __________________ Tour Israel and Jordan via CD-ROM

06-14-2004, 08:04 PM	#86
rusto MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,489	Granularity 'n' stuff Hrm, to me "granularity" is not necessarily "level of detail" in itself but a characteristic that allows you to distinguish one concept/item from another. In other words, to me, "low granularity" means a system or set that appears more homogenious while "high granularity" means system/set items are more descretely distinct. This can be apparent at either a high or low level. __________________ :: 3.4GHz Core i7 iMac 4GB RAM :: Black MacBook SR :: 10.7.2 :: iPhone 4 / iOS 5 ::

06-15-2004, 01:48 PM	#87
schneb MVP Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 2,300	I found this link on Google. The best two definitions in the list are... The degree to which a system contains separate components. Systems with greater granularity are more flexible. The level of detail at which an information object or resource is viewed or described. So OSXpounder and Rusto are right, but the above definitions are a bit more detailed to the earlier post. - Thanks all. __________________ Tour Israel and Jordan via CD-ROM

06-28-2004, 04:41 PM	#94
schneb MVP Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 2,300	Automator was something needed for the average user for some time! In fact, I'd been morning the loss of MacroMaker for years! __________________ Tour Israel and Jordan via CD-ROM

06-30-2004, 12:42 PM	#96
schneb MVP Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 2,300	In my case, iKey. If it allows the automatic typing of text, then yes it will, at least for me. Let me see Tiger has replacements for... Konfabulator - $25 Lauchbar - $20 Quickeys - $100 I'm being flippant, but just for grins. Guess I'm trying to justify purchasing Tiger though, so far, it offers nothing I truly need. __________________ Tour Israel and Jordan via CD-ROM

06-11-2004, 11:12 PM	#81
opium Triple-A Player Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 154	no one has seemed to mention isync yet. hmm, wonder why? If it is because the "iApps" are not considered to be a part of the OS please forgive my opinion that they should be. Everyone knows that isync is a piece of garbage in it's present condition (who ever keeps their contacts unfiled, or of a 10 minute sync?) but the thought of the integration with the entire system is pure brilliance. It has been really just a test... until now. Because now, Apple really needs it. Now that PalmSource has stopped supporting Mac, the sad truth is that if Apple wants to maintain it's market share this needs to be an important item on it's agenda. As handhelds get increasingly more powerful and versatile, people become more and more reliant on them. I know that I probably log just as many hours on my PDA than as on my desktop. (although I am sure this is not true for those who work with photoshop, etc.)And unless MarkSpace's MissingSync for Cobalt is dramatically different than any of their present products, syncing a PDA with a Mac will be like fixing a car with tape. This is NOT the responsibility of a 3rd party developer. This is Apple's problem. We are Mac OSX users. We deserve to have the very best of software and integration because the company that makes our computers is undoubtedly the best there is. There should be iTunes, iPhoto, iCal and Address book integration out of the box and it should be all plug and play. Why? Because that is what I have come to expect from Apple.

06-28-2004, 01:48 PM	#88
yellow Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,677	Does anyone know if this keynote will be broadcast live? If so, do you have a link? Thanks!

06-28-2004, 01:58 PM	#89
Craig R. Arko Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,988	No. There is expected to be a delayed broadcast on: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/ later. Maybe later today, maybe tomorrow.

06-28-2004, 01:59 PM	#91
macmath MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 1,497	I don't think that it is supposed to be live. I've been depending on MacCentral for frequent text updates. A similar one at MacRumors did not work well for me. Nor did this feed work for me.

06-28-2004, 02:03 PM	#92
macmath MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 1,497	Here is an excerpt from the Macrumors page for getting a direct IRC feed: --------------- Alternatively, join us on IRC for live coverage. If you have an IRC client, please join server irc.tecknohost.com, #macrumors OR EFNet (irc.efnet.org), channel #macrumors. EFNet will likely have less load on it. If not, Download our MacRumors IRC Client (FULL) Finally, you can use this web based client: http://irc.tecknohost.com ---------------

06-28-2004, 02:52 PM	#93
Craig R. Arko Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,988	Here's a summary page: http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/

06-29-2004, 11:45 AM	#95
osxpounder Major Leaguer Join Date: May 2002 Location: atl, ga, usa Posts: 356	I wonder if it will totally replace Youpi Key for me. I know I'll be upping to Tiger anyway, but I'm so curious because I'm just a fan of OSX.

06-30-2004, 12:54 PM	#97
hayne Site Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 32,473	I'm surprised by people thinking that Automater will be a replacement for keyboard utilities. In my reading of the web page that Apple has supplied on Automater, it seems to provide an easy way of creating a script of actions. It doesn't seem to provide any keyboard facility for running that script. The web page says "After you create a Workflow, you execute it by clicking the Run button in the Workflow document window." Am I missing something?

06-30-2004, 01:52 PM	#98
schneb MVP Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 2,300	I'm sure you are right, Hayne, but I'm not quite sure all it can do yet. That is OK seeing that iKey is a great macro utility for this purpose. I for one may upgrade to Tiger based on Automator alone since I could never get a good grip on AppleScript. __________________ Tour Israel and Jordan via CD-ROM