Wikileaks - Page 6

tlarkin · 12-10-2010, 01:48 PM

US Military just banned all forms of removable media from computers, including DVDs, CDs, thumb drives, etc.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...top-new-leaks/

NovaScotian · 12-10-2010, 02:36 PM

Once again leaping into the breach with yesterday's problem. A lot of military computers are in isolated LANs. Now they'll have a hell of a time moving information between networks, updating software, etc. You wonder who thinks up these marvelous ideas.

tlarkin · 12-10-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaScotian


	Once again leaping into the breach with yesterday's problem. A lot of military computers are in isolated LANs. Now they'll have a hell of a time moving information between networks, updating software, etc. You wonder who thinks up these marvelous ideas.

Well, if I ran the security in the military anything that needed secret clearance probably wouldn't be on a network, or if it was a very small, controlled and completely segregated network. You really don't need software updates and such if your system is enclosed and completely cut off from the outside world.

renaultssoftware · 12-10-2010, 04:41 PM

Wise move. Maybe not a good idea in the long run, but a wise move.

NovaScotian · 12-10-2010, 07:18 PM

Ron Paul's Sensible Thoughts On Wikileaks (from Techdirt). I'm not a fan of his, but he does put this in the same perspective I have.

aehurst · 12-10-2010, 08:35 PM

I agree with a lot of what Paul has to say. Don't see any way the US, under US law, can punish an Australian citizen for anything he did outside the US. Period. Course, Paul has always been an anti-government, back to the gold standard, kill the income tax, and shut down all federal agencies type of guy.

Watching the events unfold on the hackers vs the govt conflict, what puzzles me most is that the attacks from both sides have lacked any creativity. Overload servers, trying to cut off money, denying DNS servers, etc., are all straight forward, frontal assaults. Are we suddenly incapable of a disinformation campaign such as mixing bad info with good so nobody knows which is which? Surely there are some devious but effective actions both sides could be taking.

Apparently somebody released a fake Wikileak document in Pakistan that caused some concern in Pakistan/India relations. No reason to think it was the US as they did not benefit from it.

NovaScotian · 12-10-2010, 08:47 PM

I agree that it's been brute force all around. The US response has been to lump this into their huge and growing category - Terrorism - so they can ignore the Constitution.

renaultssoftware · 12-10-2010, 09:35 PM

Freedom of speech is equivalent to free will. God gave us absolute free will, in Genesis; we were free to use it for good or for bad. Adam and Eve decided to use it for bad, and here we are.

I wonder if free speech as granted by the U.S. is absolute.

aehurst · 12-11-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NovaScotian


	I agree that it's been brute force all around. The US response has been to lump this into their huge and growing category - Terrorism - so they can ignore the Constitution.

The hackers are, apparently, going to change strategy .... post the Wikileaks as summaries and/or under different names. That's going to make the info hard to find and hard to believe. They are undermining their own credibility I think since nobody will know what to believe and their system will be ripe for bogus info to enter the discussion. The US will have plausible deniability.

Their old strategy was only mildly effective and was, of course, illegal. They need a new direction, but this one is not going to work for them (personal opinion).

(I find the conflict interesting, but my opinion has not changed.... if it's classified, they should leave it alone.)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101211/...vists_strategy

NovaScotian · 12-11-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aehurst


	(I find the conflict interesting, but my opinion has not changed.... if it's classified, they should leave it alone.)

This is a bit of a slippery slope, AEH. The pentagon papers were classified and the NYT was exonerated at trial for publishing them. Governments everywhere use "classified" as an excuse to avoid making public what the public really does have a right to know. If an American journalist discovers a document that is classified by the Chinese, for example, you can bet they'd publish it anyway. Always remember that Assange didn't steal these documents, that he is not an American, and that he is vetting them.

roncross@cox.net · 12-11-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaScotian


	Ron Paul's Sensible Thoughts On Wikileaks (from Techdirt). I'm not a fan of his, but he does put this in the same perspective I have.

I totally agree with Ron Paul interpretation of the situation and I disagree that he is anti-American as stated in an earlier post. I don't want to trade in my liberties for a false sense of security. Free Speech ensures my liberties, not the other way around. It's ok to lie to go to war in Iraq and get 5000 or more solders killed but it's not ok to inform the people of those lies. I find some of the people arguing against Wikileaks hypocritical.

Anyway under the guise of "national securities" more laws will be created to challenge free speech as we move forward. I just heard the Vice President Biden is putting together a proposal to make leaked classified documents and a dissemination of those documents a crimes which is clearing a violation of the constitution. We're is America heading and I don't think that they know how to deal with the information age.

aehurst · 12-11-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaScotian


	..... The pentagon papers were classified and the NYT was exonerated at trial for publishing them.......

Just didn't happen that way. The Supreme Court denied an injunction to restrain the NY Times from publication because the US did not prove its case that printing them would cause extreme and grave danger to the US. That is not to say that the US can never make a case, only that they didn't in this instance.

Agree, Assange cannot be prosecuted under US law. Agree they seem to be doing a good job vetting. Agree a lot of stuff ends up classified that isn't.

From Wiki:
"Times v. United States is generally considered a victory for an extensive reading of the First Amendment, but as the Supreme Court ruled on whether the government had made a successful case for prior restraint, its decision did not void the Espionage Act or give the press unlimited freedom to publish classified documents. A majority of the justices ruled that the government could still prosecute the Times and the Post for violating the Espionage Act by publishing the documents. Ellsberg and Russo were not acquitted of violating the Espionage Act; they were freed due to a mistrial from irregularities in the government's case."

aehurst · 12-11-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by roncross@cox.net


	I totally agree with Ron Paul interpretation of the situation and I disagree that he is anti-American as stated in an earlier post......... I find some of the people arguing against Wikileaks hypocritical........

Didn't say he was anti-American and I do not believe he is. What I said was he is anti-government..... a Libertarian who believes there should be no social programs, no taxes, no govt involvement in anything, return to the gold standard and govt should for the most part be shut down. I believe that is a fair assessment of his views.

Hypocritical is a strong word to describe a disagreement as to whether or not national security should be allowed to trump free speech rights in some instances. The military cannot defend the US absent the ability to keep some things out of the public domain.... e.g. our defense plans (not to be confused with leaked cables from ambassadors about somebody's drinking habits).

renaultssoftware · 12-13-2010, 06:32 PM

Julian Assange vs the World

warragul · 12-15-2010, 02:12 AM

You might have all seen this by now.
Just beautiful, as usual.
http://xkcd.com/834/

25 of Australia's top editors and publishers (many of whom are publishing the cables) wrote an open letter to their Government saying that they supported Assange and that prosecuting him would be a Bad Thing.
What's that saying about bedfellows?

NovaScotian · 12-15-2010, 04:45 PM

The USA is certainly not doing itself proud on this issue. I think most folks believe that it was government pressure that prompted Visa, Mastercard & Paypal to withdraw services, that it was US pressure that prompted the Swiss bank to close Assange's account, that the US had a hand in the Swedish prosecution after it had earlier been decided that there was no case. Today I read that the USAF has blocked access to Wikileaks and both the Guardian and NYTimes sites because they carried the leaks (a process called censorship here in Canada), that the Library of Congress has blocked access to Wikileaks (more censorship), government officials and air force personnel are not allowed to read what all the rest of the world can read freely. Finally in Glen Greenwood's column in Salon today: The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention. By Greenwald's definition, Manning is being tortured; kept in solitary 23 hours a day without blanket or pillow.

renaultssoftware · 12-15-2010, 05:14 PM

It just keeps coming:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...e=ustechnology

Caleb Spilchen · 12-15-2010, 06:07 PM

I think everyone is missing the little guy that is being smacked around here.

A DNS Company called EasyDNS has been thrown under the bus by SEVERAL news outlets:

http://blog.easydns.org/2010/12/15/i...t-of-business/ {I told Mark about the article, hence this post. So yes, I had a part in changing an article by the guardian}

http://blog.easydns.org/2010/12/09/i...aks-situation/

http://blog.easydns.org/2010/12/03/w...et-journalism/

Caleb

renaultssoftware · 12-15-2010, 06:10 PM

What's the title of the thread? Wikileaks or EasyDNS?

Caleb Spilchen · 12-15-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by renaultssoftware


	What's the title of the thread? Wikileaks or EasyDNS?

There being smacked around BECAUSE some media sources claimed they took out #wikileaks.

12-10-2010, 01:48 PM	#101
tlarkin League Commissioner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 11,352	US Military just banned all forms of removable media from computers, including DVDs, CDs, thumb drives, etc. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...top-new-leaks/ __________________ sudo make me a sammich

12-10-2010, 02:36 PM	#102
NovaScotian League Commissioner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 5,156	Once again leaping into the breach with yesterday's problem. A lot of military computers are in isolated LANs. Now they'll have a hell of a time moving information between networks, updating software, etc. You wonder who thinks up these marvelous ideas. __________________ 17" MBP, OS X; 27" iMac, both OS X 10.10.x (latest)

12-10-2010, 04:41 PM	#104
renaultssoftware MVP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Pembroke, Ontario Posts: 2,051	Wise move. Maybe not a good idea in the long run, but a wise move. __________________ Get Icon Creator and support me.

12-10-2010, 07:18 PM	#105
NovaScotian League Commissioner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 5,156	Ron Paul's Sensible Thoughts On Wikileaks (from Techdirt). I'm not a fan of his, but he does put this in the same perspective I have. __________________ 17" MBP, OS X; 27" iMac, both OS X 10.10.x (latest)

12-10-2010, 08:35 PM	#106
aehurst MVP Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sherwood, Arkansas, USA Posts: 1,320	I agree with a lot of what Paul has to say. Don't see any way the US, under US law, can punish an Australian citizen for anything he did outside the US. Period. Course, Paul has always been an anti-government, back to the gold standard, kill the income tax, and shut down all federal agencies type of guy. Watching the events unfold on the hackers vs the govt conflict, what puzzles me most is that the attacks from both sides have lacked any creativity. Overload servers, trying to cut off money, denying DNS servers, etc., are all straight forward, frontal assaults. Are we suddenly incapable of a disinformation campaign such as mixing bad info with good so nobody knows which is which? Surely there are some devious but effective actions both sides could be taking. Apparently somebody released a fake Wikileak document in Pakistan that caused some concern in Pakistan/India relations. No reason to think it was the US as they did not benefit from it. __________________ iMac, 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB

12-10-2010, 08:47 PM	#107
NovaScotian League Commissioner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 5,156	I agree that it's been brute force all around. The US response has been to lump this into their huge and growing category - Terrorism - so they can ignore the Constitution. __________________ 17" MBP, OS X; 27" iMac, both OS X 10.10.x (latest)

12-10-2010, 09:35 PM	#108
renaultssoftware MVP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Pembroke, Ontario Posts: 2,051	Freedom of speech is equivalent to free will. God gave us absolute free will, in Genesis; we were free to use it for good or for bad. Adam and Eve decided to use it for bad, and here we are. I wonder if free speech as granted by the U.S. is absolute. __________________ Get Icon Creator and support me.

12-13-2010, 06:32 PM	#114
renaultssoftware MVP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Pembroke, Ontario Posts: 2,051	Julian Assange vs the World __________________ Get Icon Creator and support me.

12-15-2010, 02:12 AM	#115
warragul All Star Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 869	You might have all seen this by now. Just beautiful, as usual. http://xkcd.com/834/ 25 of Australia's top editors and publishers (many of whom are publishing the cables) wrote an open letter to their Government saying that they supported Assange and that prosecuting him would be a Bad Thing. What's that saying about bedfellows? __________________ warragul - The Real World is a Special Case.

12-15-2010, 04:45 PM	#116
NovaScotian League Commissioner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 5,156	The USA is certainly not doing itself proud on this issue. I think most folks believe that it was government pressure that prompted Visa, Mastercard & Paypal to withdraw services, that it was US pressure that prompted the Swiss bank to close Assange's account, that the US had a hand in the Swedish prosecution after it had earlier been decided that there was no case. Today I read that the USAF has blocked access to Wikileaks and both the Guardian and NYTimes sites because they carried the leaks (a process called censorship here in Canada), that the Library of Congress has blocked access to Wikileaks (more censorship), government officials and air force personnel are not allowed to read what all the rest of the world can read freely. Finally in Glen Greenwood's column in Salon today: The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention. By Greenwald's definition, Manning is being tortured; kept in solitary 23 hours a day without blanket or pillow. __________________ 17" MBP, OS X; 27" iMac, both OS X 10.10.x (latest) Last edited by NovaScotian; 12-15-2010 at 04:48 PM.

12-15-2010, 05:14 PM	#117
renaultssoftware MVP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Pembroke, Ontario Posts: 2,051	It just keeps coming: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...e=ustechnology __________________ Get Icon Creator and support me.

12-15-2010, 06:07 PM	#118
Caleb Spilchen Prospect Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5	I think everyone is missing the little guy that is being smacked around here. A DNS Company called EasyDNS has been thrown under the bus by SEVERAL news outlets: http://blog.easydns.org/2010/12/15/i...t-of-business/ {I told Mark about the article, hence this post. So yes, I had a part in changing an article by the guardian} http://blog.easydns.org/2010/12/09/i...aks-situation/ http://blog.easydns.org/2010/12/03/w...et-journalism/ Caleb

12-15-2010, 06:10 PM	#119
renaultssoftware MVP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Pembroke, Ontario Posts: 2,051	What's the title of the thread? Wikileaks or EasyDNS? __________________ Get Icon Creator and support me.