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Old 07-03-2010, 02:02 PM   #1
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Need bootable, available, SATA PCI card

I rapidly need a bootable SATA card for a dual MDD G4. I've looked around and found
  1. The SIIG listings no longer mention Macs
  2. SoNNeT TSATA PCI SATA Controller Card
  3. Syba SD-PCXSA2-2E2R

But only the TSATA seems confident it will boot.

I would really like a 4-port card to enable swapping out the 2nd pair of drives when needed, but no joy so far.

Does anyone have experience with a PCI SATA card that does what I need/want? Double credit if Microcenter has it.
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Old 07-03-2010, 04:53 PM   #2
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2 Port PCI SATA card required

Hi,

Only 2 port SATA PCI (or PCIX) cards will boot OS9 or OSX. I am using the following cards in various G4s from 450Mhz AGP to Dual 1.42Mhz MDD, and various G5s.

Sonnet
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo_serial_ata.html

Firmtek:
http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1s2/

Firmtek have firmware especially for G4 use:
http://www.firmtek.com/download/

It also works on the Sonnet cards as they appear to made by Firmtek.

The LaCie 2 port external eSATA card is also bootable.

All the Syba SATA PCI cards I have see use the Silicon Image chipset, which require drivers, hence are not bootable under OSX.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Nick
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Old 07-03-2010, 05:14 PM   #3
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Hi,

Only 2 port SATA PCI (or PCIX) cards will boot OS9 or OSX. I am using the following cards in various G4s from 450Mhz AGP to Dual 1.42Mhz MDD, and various G5s.

Good and bad; I was drooling over the firmtek SeriTek/1V4ccf, but am aiming for something stocked here. Bummer re: only 2-ports; what happens when the next drive fails? (I have two RAID arrays in the box.) Second card, I guess...

Added: Firmtek seems to think their 4-port will boot. Is there some G4 architectural reason it can't?


Quote:
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo_serial_ata.html

Firmtek:
http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1s2/

Firmtek have firmware especially for G4 use:
http://www.firmtek.com/download/

It also works on the Sonnet cards as they appear to made by Firmtek.

Can I flash the card in the G4?


Quote:
All the Syba SATA PCI cards I have see use the Silicon Image chipset, which require drivers, hence are not bootable under OSX.

Hope this helps.,

Nick

It DOES help. Thanks...

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Old 07-04-2010, 02:43 AM   #4
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Some more info...

Hi,

The Mac OS will only allow booting from 2 port cards, a limitation built into the OS at a very low level. I have no idea why.

I have a couple of those 4 port cards, and I have tried every conceivable way of booting from them with G4s and G5s - indeed, booting is not possible.

The Sonnet and FirmTek PCI cards can be flashed in both G4s or G5s. It MUST be done without drives attached to the card being flashed. Easy to do, just boot from the normal ATA HDD, flash the card, shutdown, attach a SATA HDD, boot and clone using Superduper or Carbon Copy Cloner.

I have a G4MDD I use as a Gigabit NAS backup server which has a 2 port and a 4 port card fitted, with 4 internal SATA drives and 2 external SATA drives attached via an internal SATA to external eSATA PCI adapter plate. Works fine.

One time I put 5 HDDs in a AGP G4, with the 5th HDD in the Zip drive bay, which was attached to a 2 port card for booting. The 4 other disks formed a RAID on a 4 port card. Used the cool running Hitachi drives and it worked fine too.

Regards,

Nick
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Old 07-04-2010, 03:37 PM   #5
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Hi,

The Mac OS will only allow booting from 2 port cards, a limitation built into the OS at a very low level. I have no idea why.

I have a couple of those 4 port cards, and I have tried every conceivable way of booting from them with G4s and G5s - indeed, booting is not possible.

Grr... FirmTek explicitly claims they will boot, so I'm not a happy camper at all. I didn't get a 2-port board and drives from Microcenter this weekend because the 4-port sounded so attractive....
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Old 07-04-2010, 06:14 PM   #6
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Hmm...

Hi,

Firmtek's info is slightly ambiguous. The last description published for the 4 port card states that the card is self booting, while nothing is said about attached drives being bootable:

http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/sata1v4.html

I suspect that the copy writers made an error in the earlier descriptions of the card.

If anyone has managed to get an HDD to boot from a 4 port SATA card, I would be grateful for the details !

Regards,

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Old 07-05-2010, 07:20 PM   #7
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+1 here for the Seritek Is2.
I have one in my dual MDD with a Raptor 150Gb and a Seagate attached - both are bootable with Tiger installed and another in a DA - similar setup.
The Sonnets from what I can gather are just rebadged Firmtek cards.
I have no idea about whether any 4 port cards are bootable though.
Here are some others to look at and prices are roughly what I have gleaned from the 'net.
Some are also IDE PCI cards - I just haven't removed them from my database.

FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 : $64 US
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/

FirmTek SeriTek/1V4 : $ 109 US :
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/SATA1V4/

Sonnet's Tempo™ SATA X4i 4-port : $178 US
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonne...gy/TSATAIIX4I/

Sonnet Tempo SATA X4P PCI and PCI-X 4 port external eSata only - no internal SATA ports $ 299 US
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo_sata_x4p.html

SIIG SATA SC-SATM12 PCI card : $59 US
2 channel internal

SIIG SC-SA4011 4-Channel PCI to SATA Host Adapter : $65 US
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001GU800/...SIN=B0001GU800

Acard AEC-6280M 2-Channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter : $70 US
Mac OS8.5,OS9 and OSX
http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-pr...s&type1_idno=3

Acard AEC-6293M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US
http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-pr...s&type1_idno=3

Acard AEC-6290M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US

Also the:

AEC-6890M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter with built-in RAID
capability.
AEC-6880M 2-channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter with built in RAID
capability.
AEC-6895M 4-channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter with built in RAID
capability.
AEC-6885M 4-channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter with built in RAID
capability.

Stewie

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Old 07-05-2010, 11:17 PM   #8
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Compare:

http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/sata1v4.html

and

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/SATA1V4/




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If anyone has managed to get an HDD to boot from a 4 port SATA card, I would be grateful for the details !



I'll phone both FirmTek and OWC tomorrow...
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:01 PM   #9
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Both FirmTek and OWC directly assure me it will be bootable; so I'm ordering the card. If I have problems like Macsolver's; I'll let you know and send it back.
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Old 07-10-2010, 02:46 PM   #10
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Short answer, it works.

I installed the FirmTek 1V4, built a software RAID 1 & CCC'ed over the system disk. I then option-key booted from the SATA.

(One thing it does NOT seem to do is scan for a bootable volume: i.e. ISTM that even if you have the startup drive set to Larry, but it & Curly are NG, only Moe is bootable; the firmware searches until it finds Moe. That didn't happen here..)

Once I set startup drive, all was OK.. until the $%%&$%& MDD died and would not boot at all. I moved the card and drives into a spare Quicksilver; but the other PATA drives would not work in it..... they are 250GB. (Based on the clock failing to keep time, I need a PRAM battery in the MDD.)

Here's other things I noted before the MDD bit me on the backside:

Marcel Bresink <marcel@bresink.de>'s Temperature Monitor has some issues. It can't see the SATA drives, but then it also can not see 3 of the 4 identical PATA drives. I'm running some tests with his help.

I was able to fit both ST3500418AS's into the empty bay below the DVD; they are only 20mm high each! I'll figure out a way to mount them. If you get long enough SATA data cables, they can clear everything that gets scrunched when you close the case.

There does not appear to be a way to see the ST3500418AS's on the System Profiler; they are not under SATA or PATA entries. The Firmtek is under the PCI listing.
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