Backup leopard help!!!!!

KnightIRD · 11-08-2012, 07:15 PM

Hello I am new to the forum... I have a PowerBook G4 with OS X 10.5, and I'm replacing the hard drive in it. I don't have the 10.5 Disks, cause idk what i did with them.. Can I make like a complete disk image of the hard drive with Time Machine then install from that on the new Hard Drive? Or is there a thread similar to my problem? I need help!! Thanks!!!

agentx · 11-09-2012, 03:17 AM

You can use Carbon Copy cloner to make a complete copy of your disk to either another disk or disk image. But you will need an external enclosure (Firewire) for drive to make the clone of old drive to new.

acme.mail.order · 11-09-2012, 07:56 AM

Carbon Copy is the way to go. In addition to the external firewire case you will need an older version of the program - the latest version doesn't support 10.5. but it's readily available.

The process is very simple - plug in the new drive, partition it (Apple Partition Map) and format it (HFS+ journaled). Do this no matter what came with the drive. Use CCC to clone the old drive to the new one*, then swap the drives. The machine should be exactly the same as before.

* don't to the block copy. Choose the normal 'copy all files' option.

KnightIRD · 11-09-2012, 08:48 AM

Dang. It has to be firewire huh? Not USB

jsalmi · 11-09-2012, 09:46 AM

Another vote for Carbon Copy Cloner. I used the free version for a couple months and found it so useful that I purchased it. I've got Time Machine running but also do a weekly update of my CCC backups.

agentx · 11-09-2012, 11:00 AM

CCC will not block copy unless you are booted off another drive.
For reference Block copy is the fastest way to clone a drive. You would boot off another source or use target disk mode on another Mac and then block copy the drives....

I just so wish Apple would let us add some select Utilities like CCC and Diskwarrior to recovery partition would be very useful indeed ! However you can open and use some Apps from Terminal on say a USB stick.

KnightIRD · 11-09-2012, 11:11 AM

So is there any possibility I could say back everything up on a USB Stick and boot from that and copy everything on the new hard drive?

DeltaMac · 11-09-2012, 11:20 AM

Well, the problem is - you COULD back up everything to a USB drive.
But, then you won't be able to boot to that USB drive to copy (clone) the drive back to your new drive.
Your PowerBook G4 will not boot to a USB device. Your could do that with a MacBook Pro, or anything newer that has an intel processor, but not your PowerBook.
Firewire is the way to go...

KnightIRD · 11-09-2012, 11:27 AM

Okay, so I buy an IDE Firewire external hard drive enclosure, put in the 160gb, use CCC to backup everything, tear it apart, take the 160gb hdd and put it into the mac and boot up and it should be okay?

KnightIRD · 11-09-2012, 11:31 AM

Or could I connect both of the hard drives to my PC, and copy everything from 1 hard drive to another?

agentx · 11-09-2012, 03:15 PM

You can get a USB to IDE cable with power supply kits and just do a file level clone

KnightIRD · 11-09-2012, 04:13 PM

I have one of those, now how do I do a file level clone? And will that be bootable with the OS after the clone?

agentx · 11-09-2012, 06:08 PM

Select source disk then clone to new disk....best to have a fresh reboot and only CCC running.

acme.mail.order · 11-09-2012, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightIRD


	I have one of those, now how do I do a file level clone? And will that be bootable with the OS after the clone?

a) that's why we recommended Carbon Copy Cloner several times. It does that.

b) we wouldn't have recommended it if it didn't work.

acme.mail.order · 11-09-2012, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightIRD


	Or could I connect both of the hard drives to my PC, and copy everything from 1 hard drive to another?

PCs do not understand Mac filesystems without extra software, and getting it to work would be much more complex than using CCC.

KnightIRD · 11-10-2012, 09:25 AM

Okay. Thank you all so much I greatly appreciate it.

11-08-2012, 07:15 PM	#1
KnightIRD Prospect Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 14	Backup leopard help!!!!! Hello I am new to the forum... I have a PowerBook G4 with OS X 10.5, and I'm replacing the hard drive in it. I don't have the 10.5 Disks, cause idk what i did with them.. Can I make like a complete disk image of the hard drive with Time Machine then install from that on the new Hard Drive? Or is there a thread similar to my problem? I need help!! Thanks!!!

11-09-2012, 11:00 AM	#6
agentx Hall of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 3,832	CCC will not block copy unless you are booted off another drive. For reference Block copy is the fastest way to clone a drive. You would boot off another source or use target disk mode on another Mac and then block copy the drives.... I just so wish Apple would let us add some select Utilities like CCC and Diskwarrior to recovery partition would be very useful indeed ! However you can open and use some Apps from Terminal on say a USB stick. Last edited by agentx; 11-09-2012 at 11:08 AM.

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11-09-2012, 03:17 AM	#2
agentx Hall of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 3,832	You can use Carbon Copy cloner to make a complete copy of your disk to either another disk or disk image. But you will need an external enclosure (Firewire) for drive to make the clone of old drive to new.

11-09-2012, 07:56 AM	#3
acme.mail.order League Commissioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 6,057	Carbon Copy is the way to go. In addition to the external firewire case you will need an older version of the program - the latest version doesn't support 10.5. but it's readily available. The process is very simple - plug in the new drive, partition it (Apple Partition Map) and format it (HFS+ journaled). Do this no matter what came with the drive. Use CCC to clone the old drive to the new one, then swap the drives. The machine should be exactly the same as before. don't to the block copy. Choose the normal 'copy all files' option.

11-09-2012, 08:48 AM	#4
KnightIRD Prospect Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 14	Dang. It has to be firewire huh? Not USB

11-09-2012, 09:46 AM	#5
jsalmi Triple-A Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Down by the river Posts: 195	Another vote for Carbon Copy Cloner. I used the free version for a couple months and found it so useful that I purchased it. I've got Time Machine running but also do a weekly update of my CCC backups.

11-09-2012, 11:11 AM	#7
KnightIRD Prospect Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 14	So is there any possibility I could say back everything up on a USB Stick and boot from that and copy everything on the new hard drive?

11-09-2012, 11:20 AM	#8
DeltaMac League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,998	Well, the problem is - you COULD back up everything to a USB drive. But, then you won't be able to boot to that USB drive to copy (clone) the drive back to your new drive. Your PowerBook G4 will not boot to a USB device. Your could do that with a MacBook Pro, or anything newer that has an intel processor, but not your PowerBook. Firewire is the way to go...

11-09-2012, 11:27 AM	#9
KnightIRD Prospect Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 14	Okay, so I buy an IDE Firewire external hard drive enclosure, put in the 160gb, use CCC to backup everything, tear it apart, take the 160gb hdd and put it into the mac and boot up and it should be okay?

11-09-2012, 11:31 AM	#10
KnightIRD Prospect Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 14	Or could I connect both of the hard drives to my PC, and copy everything from 1 hard drive to another?

11-09-2012, 03:15 PM	#11
agentx Hall of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 3,832	You can get a USB to IDE cable with power supply kits and just do a file level clone

11-09-2012, 04:13 PM	#12
KnightIRD Prospect Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 14	I have one of those, now how do I do a file level clone? And will that be bootable with the OS after the clone?

11-09-2012, 06:08 PM	#13
agentx Hall of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 3,832	Select source disk then clone to new disk....best to have a fresh reboot and only CCC running.

11-10-2012, 09:25 AM	#16
KnightIRD Prospect Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 14	Okay. Thank you all so much I greatly appreciate it.