Help With Safari

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-24-2012, 10:31 AM

Hi guys. I have a few questions about Safari. Is there a way to do these with Safari (with or without settings tweaks, 3rd party apps or extensions)

1- Drag pages with left click of mouse? There's an extension for this in Firefox called Grab and Drag.

2- Make Safari open new pages from bookmarks or google search in new tabs.

3- Use Lastpass? I downloaded lastpass for Safari from Lastpass's site and installed it. But I can't seem to see any change, not in Safari's extensions settings page or Mac apps window. What should I do?

4- Download all pictures on a page or download pictures from links that are on a page.

5- Equivelant of DownloadHelper from Firefox, some extension you can use to download flash videos from stream sites like Youtube.

benwiggy · 06-24-2012, 11:08 AM

I can't answer all of these -- a lot seems to be about non-standard third-party additions (to FireFox, which you're trying to replicate in Safari).

1. Drag a page -- what does this do? Where do you drag it to, and for why? IT's possible there's another method of doing what you're trying to achieve.

2. You can specify opening a new Page or Tab by holding <Command> for a new tab and <Command><alt> for a new window.

4. Something like SiteSucker works well for this. (This is for archive purposes, yeah....?

)

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-24-2012, 11:57 AM

Hi

1- Using mouse's left button to drag a page to navigate inside the page. Like navigating in a pdf file with Acrobat Reader.

2- I know that. But I want to do that without using Command button.

4- Thanks..

DeltaMac · 06-24-2012, 12:37 PM

1. Do you mean to move around within a large page - by clicking on some point, and dragging the page around? Why not just scroll around the page (why would you need to click and drag anyway?)

2. Safari Preferences/Tabs: change the drop down next to Open Pages in Tabs instead of Windows. Just in case you wonder about the "automatically" selection in that menu:

Quote:


	Choose Automatically to have Safari open pages in tabs unless they’re designed to fit in specially formatted separate windows; Safari opens those pages in windows instead.

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-24-2012, 01:03 PM

1- Because I sometimes like it that way.

2- that is already the way you said. But I want to just click to a bookmark and make ut open in a new tab instead of the tab that is active and has another page loaded already.

DeltaMac · 06-24-2012, 01:41 PM

1 - but what do you do if Safari doesn't do what you like? That's why you have other browsers available, when you "want to do it that way"
I switch between browsers sometimes several times a day.

2 - then don't leave it the way I said (that was not my intent) - try the Always setting. (you know -"Always" opens a tab instead of a window) - or, even a simple right-click and choose "open link in new tab" or, just a command-(bookmark) to open that bookmark in a new tab.
You don't want that to be the default, do you?

mclbruce · 06-24-2012, 01:49 PM

Apple has some Safari extensions available here:

https://extensions.apple.com/

There are a couple of other websites that have extensions, including this one:

http://www.pimpmysafari.com/

NaOH · 06-24-2012, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolanddes@gmail.


	1- Drag pages with left click of mouse? There's an extension for this in Firefox called Grab and Drag.

If you have an Apple laptop from within the last few years or if you're using a Mac running (I think) 10.5 or later with a Magic Trackpad or Magic Mouse, you should be able to scroll through a page in any direction (horizontally, vertically or diagonally) using two-finger swiping motions. Opening System Preferences then looking at either the Mouse or Trackpad section will show demonstrations of all the gestures these devices are designed to accept.

If you have an Apple Mouse (wired, white, and has a little scroll ball), this is done with that little scroll ball. And there are third-party mice which have similar capabilities.

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-24-2012, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclbruce


	Apple has some Safari extensions available here: https://extensions.apple.com/ There are a couple of other websites that have extensions, including this one: http://www.pimpmysafari.com/

I checked them before posting here.

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-24-2012, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaMac


	1 - but what do you do if Safari doesn't do what you like? That's why you have other browsers available, when you "want to do it that way" I switch between browsers sometimes several times a day. 2 - then don't leave it the way I said (that was not my intent) - try the Always setting. (you know -"Always" opens a tab instead of a window) - or, even a simple right-click and choose "open link in new tab" or, just a command-(bookmark) to open that bookmark in a new tab. You don't want that to be the default, do you?

1- I am trying to migrate from firefox to safari. Firefox is doing everything I ask for except it does not have the speed of safari. Thats why Im trying to migrate.

2- thanks.

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-24-2012, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaOH


	If you have an Apple laptop from within the last few years or if you're using a Mac running (I think) 10.5 or later with a Magic Trackpad or Magic Mouse, you should be able to scroll through a page in any direction (horizontally, vertically or diagonally) using two-finger swiping motions. Opening System Preferences then looking at either the Mouse or Trackpad section will show demonstrations of all the gestures these devices are designed to accept. If you have an Apple Mouse (wired, white, and has a little scroll ball), this is done with that little scroll ball. And there are third-party mice which have similar capabilities.

I do have a magic mouse and I am on a 2011 macbook pro. But after a few weeks of trying I switched back to my old logitech mouse. Magic mouse was not very ergonomic to me. Also did not enjoy the scrolling experience of it either. (that does not mean logitech runs very good in my mac. Overall mouse experience in mac os is verry bad compared to windows i think. Mouse acceleration curve is pretty messed up. I recenly bought usb overdrive. It helped a little though. Anyway what I am asking was very simple actually. Just an extension worth of configuration. But as I see safaris extensions cannot even be compared to firefoxs.

Thanks anyway

benwiggy · 06-24-2012, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolanddes@gmail.


	1- Because I sometimes like it that way.

I have said this many times. It always gets a bad reception.

You want to scroll the page. How you do it is, frankly, immaterial and irrelevant to your goal of scrolling the page. (Assuming it's not complex, tiresome, difficult or contradictory.)

If an app demands that you scroll using one method instead of another (and that method is the same as you use in every other app and part of the OS) -- then why look for another?

Left-clicking to drag is deeply unexpected and unusual for an UI. Left click is ... click. Action a thing.

cybergoober · 06-24-2012, 04:57 PM

2 - Clicking the scroll wheel on a link should open it in a new tab.

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-24-2012, 11:18 PM

Thanks guys

mclbruce · 06-25-2012, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolanddes@gmail.


	I checked them before posting here.

If you have looked through those places and not found the extensions/mods that you are looking for, then they probably don't exist.

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-25-2012, 01:39 AM

Well, yes they don't. But I wondered if there are some places or ways that I'm not aware of. (I'm fairly new to Mac OS and Macs.)

And there's a little thing I want to critize Mac community about. This is something that has been on my mind for a year. (since I made the switch)

I usually search google and forums for my problems and questions first. Then if I can't find a good solution, I post about them. When I search for them (and in a few occasions when I posted seeking help about them) I very frequently come across with an attitude that suggests that I should change my behavior of doing things. I thing that should not be the case. As long as there's no hardware restrictions, software should be bent to my wants and needs. Off course things do not have to be my way all the time, but what is very bizarre is people have a tendency of questioning you instead of saying "well there could (or even should) be such a feature but there's not."

I think switchers would understand me best. I switched to Mac because of its speed, reliability, beauty and all. Overall I love my Mac and do not regret it. But that aspect of its community is one think that I kinda not fond of.

Thanks again.

NaOH · 06-25-2012, 02:04 AM

I suspect the attitude you're noting largely comes from the fact that Mac users who are apt to comment in help forums recognize that design is an ongoing series of tradeoffs. That's not to say the tradeoffs Apple has made are correct, nor is it to defend any and all attitudes you may have experienced, it's just an attempt to explain from where the discrepancy may emanate.

It's definitely an approach that contrasts with how Microsoft has done things. That's a significant shift for an attentive user (like yourself) coming from Windows. I'll use what we know about the just-announced Surface as an example of how Microsoft chooses differently than Apple.

ARM or Intel Processor? Yes.
Desktop application support? Depends.
Touchscreen keyboard or physical keyboard? Yes.
Trackpad or touch input? Yes.
Laptop or tablet? Yes.
Windows 8 OS for desktop or tablets? Yes.

For all the similar decisions Apple had to make with the iPad, they made a distinct choice.

Again, I'm not trying to say that one is correct and one isn't. But typically the folks who use Apple and comment in help forums are the ones who have used Apple for a long time. So they're accustomed to the Apple design approach. And these tradeoffs infuse Apple products, so it's often difficult to provide a satisfactory answer to someone coming from Windows who understandably has learned a whole different world of tradeoffs.

rolanddes@gmail. · 06-25-2012, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaOH


	I suspect the attitude you're noting largely comes from the fact that Mac users who are apt to comment in help forums recognize that design is an ongoing series of tradeoffs. That's not to say the tradeoffs Apple has made are correct, nor is it to defend any and all attitudes you may have experienced, it's just an attempt to explain from where the discrepancy may emanate. It's definitely an approach that contrasts with how Microsoft has done things. That's a significant shift for an attentive user (like yourself) coming from Windows. I'll use what we know about the just-announced Surface as an example of how Microsoft chooses differently than Apple. ARM or Intel Processor? Yes. Desktop application support? Depends. Touchscreen keyboard or physical keyboard? Yes. Trackpad or touch input? Yes. Laptop or tablet? Yes. Windows 8 OS for desktop or tablets? Yes. For all the similar decisions Apple had to make with the iPad, they made a distinct choice. Again, I'm not trying to say that one is correct and one isn't. But typically the folks who use Apple and comment in help forums are the ones who have used Apple for a long time. So they're accustomed to the Apple design approach. And these tradeoffs infuse Apple products, so it's often difficult to provide a satisfactory answer to someone coming from Windows who understandably has learned a whole different world of tradeoffs.

That is a very good explanation. There's a little difference between accepting and getting accustomed to a brands hardware choices and stretching that attitude to the software aspect of the matter. (I do not know if I'm blabbering because English is not my main language.)

I mean; yes Apple having a spesific cpu in its products, taking out optic drive in new Macbook Pro or not making some stuff customizable are very understandable and works for a purpose (design, battery life, sturdiness, stability etc.) Also gives great products. But for an end-user understanding these hardware choices and not demanding more in software choices are two different thinks.

But I appriciate your explanation and analysis of the psyche of Apple user. I agree with you.

mclbruce · 06-25-2012, 02:51 PM

Apple will say the way they do things is best, right up until the moment when they make a change, which will they will then say is the best as well. So you will certainly see some of that in the community.

In defense of Apple, I believe that they care about a lot about user experience, and that they stand behind what they sell, more than a lot of other companies do.

Sometimes too many choices can be overwhelming to the average or below average user. Apple's focus is, and I believe has always been, on the less than expert user. Apple wants people who are new to computers, smart phones, or tablets to be comfortable. They want these people to grow and become more proficient over time.

I believe that those of us who are more passionate about computers, who enjoy them for their own sake, are just along for the ride as far as Apple is concerned, and so can expect some disappointment.

06-24-2012, 10:31 AM	#1
rolanddes@gmail. Prospect Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Help With Safari Hi guys. I have a few questions about Safari. Is there a way to do these with Safari (with or without settings tweaks, 3rd party apps or extensions) 1- Drag pages with left click of mouse? There's an extension for this in Firefox called Grab and Drag. 2- Make Safari open new pages from bookmarks or google search in new tabs. 3- Use Lastpass? I downloaded lastpass for Safari from Lastpass's site and installed it. But I can't seem to see any change, not in Safari's extensions settings page or Mac apps window. What should I do? 4- Download all pictures on a page or download pictures from links that are on a page. 5- Equivelant of DownloadHelper from Firefox, some extension you can use to download flash videos from stream sites like Youtube.

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06-24-2012, 11:08 AM	#2
benwiggy League Commissioner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,040	I can't answer all of these -- a lot seems to be about non-standard third-party additions (to FireFox, which you're trying to replicate in Safari). 1. Drag a page -- what does this do? Where do you drag it to, and for why? IT's possible there's another method of doing what you're trying to achieve. 2. You can specify opening a new Page or Tab by holding <Command> for a new tab and <Command><alt> for a new window. 4. Something like SiteSucker works well for this. (This is for archive purposes, yeah....? )

06-24-2012, 11:57 AM	#3
rolanddes@gmail. Prospect Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Hi 1- Using mouse's left button to drag a page to navigate inside the page. Like navigating in a pdf file with Acrobat Reader. 2- I know that. But I want to do that without using Command button. 4- Thanks..

06-24-2012, 01:03 PM	#5
rolanddes@gmail. Prospect Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	1- Because I sometimes like it that way. 2- that is already the way you said. But I want to just click to a bookmark and make ut open in a new tab instead of the tab that is active and has another page loaded already.

06-24-2012, 01:41 PM	#6
DeltaMac League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,960	1 - but what do you do if Safari doesn't do what you like? That's why you have other browsers available, when you "want to do it that way" I switch between browsers sometimes several times a day. 2 - then don't leave it the way I said (that was not my intent) - try the Always setting. (you know -"Always" opens a tab instead of a window) - or, even a simple right-click and choose "open link in new tab" or, just a command-(bookmark) to open that bookmark in a new tab. You don't want that to be the default, do you?

06-24-2012, 01:49 PM	#7
mclbruce Hall of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,870	Apple has some Safari extensions available here: https://extensions.apple.com/ There are a couple of other websites that have extensions, including this one: http://www.pimpmysafari.com/

06-24-2012, 04:57 PM	#13
cybergoober Triple-A Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Newport News, VA U.S.A. Posts: 108	2 - Clicking the scroll wheel on a link should open it in a new tab.

06-24-2012, 11:18 PM	#14
rolanddes@gmail. Prospect Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Thanks guys

06-25-2012, 01:39 AM	#16
rolanddes@gmail. Prospect Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Well, yes they don't. But I wondered if there are some places or ways that I'm not aware of. (I'm fairly new to Mac OS and Macs.) And there's a little thing I want to critize Mac community about. This is something that has been on my mind for a year. (since I made the switch) I usually search google and forums for my problems and questions first. Then if I can't find a good solution, I post about them. When I search for them (and in a few occasions when I posted seeking help about them) I very frequently come across with an attitude that suggests that I should change my behavior of doing things. I thing that should not be the case. As long as there's no hardware restrictions, software should be bent to my wants and needs. Off course things do not have to be my way all the time, but what is very bizarre is people have a tendency of questioning you instead of saying "well there could (or even should) be such a feature but there's not." I think switchers would understand me best. I switched to Mac because of its speed, reliability, beauty and all. Overall I love my Mac and do not regret it. But that aspect of its community is one think that I kinda not fond of. Thanks again.

06-25-2012, 02:04 AM	#17
NaOH Hall of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,642	I suspect the attitude you're noting largely comes from the fact that Mac users who are apt to comment in help forums recognize that design is an ongoing series of tradeoffs. That's not to say the tradeoffs Apple has made are correct, nor is it to defend any and all attitudes you may have experienced, it's just an attempt to explain from where the discrepancy may emanate. It's definitely an approach that contrasts with how Microsoft has done things. That's a significant shift for an attentive user (like yourself) coming from Windows. I'll use what we know about the just-announced Surface as an example of how Microsoft chooses differently than Apple. ARM or Intel Processor? Yes. Desktop application support? Depends. Touchscreen keyboard or physical keyboard? Yes. Trackpad or touch input? Yes. Laptop or tablet? Yes. Windows 8 OS for desktop or tablets? Yes. For all the similar decisions Apple had to make with the iPad, they made a distinct choice. Again, I'm not trying to say that one is correct and one isn't. But typically the folks who use Apple and comment in help forums are the ones who have used Apple for a long time. So they're accustomed to the Apple design approach. And these tradeoffs infuse Apple products, so it's often difficult to provide a satisfactory answer to someone coming from Windows who understandably has learned a whole different world of tradeoffs.

06-25-2012, 02:51 PM	#19
mclbruce Hall of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,870	Apple will say the way they do things is best, right up until the moment when they make a change, which will they will then say is the best as well. So you will certainly see some of that in the community. In defense of Apple, I believe that they care about a lot about user experience, and that they stand behind what they sell, more than a lot of other companies do. Sometimes too many choices can be overwhelming to the average or below average user. Apple's focus is, and I believe has always been, on the less than expert user. Apple wants people who are new to computers, smart phones, or tablets to be comfortable. They want these people to grow and become more proficient over time. I believe that those of us who are more passionate about computers, who enjoy them for their own sake, are just along for the ride as far as Apple is concerned, and so can expect some disappointment.