Adobe Photoshop Elements Text using wrong font

onlinegenie · 01-28-2013, 07:40 AM

I was trying to write some text in PSE last night. I selected the font kokonor and started typing. The font box displayed kokonor, but what was appearing on screen was not kokonor. When I'd finished typing and clicked elsewhere in the file the font box changed to myriad pro.

I've used PSE for text on several occasions without any such problems. Any idea what might be causing this? PSE bug or is there something I can do to make it work the way I want it to?

benwiggy · 01-28-2013, 12:00 PM

Kokonor is an OS X Unicode font for Tibetan, as I'm sure you know. Its character range is therefore in the Unicode range for Tibetan, and it does not have any glyphs for Roman (or other) characters. If you are typing Roman characters, then PSE might substitute its "empty" glyphs for Myriad or other font which has A to Z.

So I suspect it's a problem of keyboard Input. Have you changed the Keyboard Input Source from US English (or whatever) to Tibetan?

onlinegenie · 01-29-2013, 02:34 AM

No, not changed keyboard settings. It correctly types Roman characters in (for example) Art Text, which is what I ended up using for this job.

benwiggy · 01-29-2013, 05:54 AM

Then there's your problem. That font doesn't have any Roman characters.

onlinegenie · 01-29-2013, 12:32 PM

Sorry, I think I misled you. When I said "it correctly types Roman characters in Art Text" I was referring to the font, not the keyboard.

Not to worry, as I've done the job in Art Text. Bit frustrating that PSE didn't work though.

benwiggy · 01-30-2013, 01:41 AM

You only misled me in that I thought Art Text was a font, rather than another app!

I've looked through all the characters in Kokonor using FontExplorerX, and it doesn't have Roman glyphs. Therefore Photoshop's behaviour is correct.

Art Text must be either substituting another font, but not displaying the name, or using what glyphs the font does have and somehow translating them to the Western glyph positions.

jeffshenk · 01-30-2013, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by benwiggy


	… Photoshop's behaviour is correct.

In most applications, the system will (silently) substitute glyphs from the Apple Chancery font for the Roman ones in Kokonor. Apparently Photoshop Elements makes its own, different, choice about the substitution. That isn't incorrect, but the results would be more expected if it allowed the system to make the "standard" substitution.

NaOH · 01-30-2013, 12:57 PM

Regular Photoshop (at least as of CS 5) has a preferences option to automatically substitute for missing glyphs. In Preferences > Type is a checkbox for Enable Missing Glyph Protection. It's worth checking to see if Elements has a similar setting.

onlinegenie · 01-31-2013, 02:02 AM

Thanks - I'll try that.

01-28-2013, 07:40 AM	#1
onlinegenie Prospect Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 23	Adobe Photoshop Elements Text using wrong font I was trying to write some text in PSE last night. I selected the font kokonor and started typing. The font box displayed kokonor, but what was appearing on screen was not kokonor. When I'd finished typing and clicked elsewhere in the file the font box changed to myriad pro. I've used PSE for text on several occasions without any such problems. Any idea what might be causing this? PSE bug or is there something I can do to make it work the way I want it to?

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01-28-2013, 12:00 PM	#2
benwiggy League Commissioner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,040	Kokonor is an OS X Unicode font for Tibetan, as I'm sure you know. Its character range is therefore in the Unicode range for Tibetan, and it does not have any glyphs for Roman (or other) characters. If you are typing Roman characters, then PSE might substitute its "empty" glyphs for Myriad or other font which has A to Z. So I suspect it's a problem of keyboard Input. Have you changed the Keyboard Input Source from US English (or whatever) to Tibetan?

01-29-2013, 02:34 AM	#3
onlinegenie Prospect Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 23	No, not changed keyboard settings. It correctly types Roman characters in (for example) Art Text, which is what I ended up using for this job.

01-29-2013, 05:54 AM	#4
benwiggy League Commissioner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,040	Then there's your problem. That font doesn't have any Roman characters.

01-29-2013, 12:32 PM	#5
onlinegenie Prospect Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 23	Sorry, I think I misled you. When I said "it correctly types Roman characters in Art Text" I was referring to the font, not the keyboard. Not to worry, as I've done the job in Art Text. Bit frustrating that PSE didn't work though.

01-30-2013, 01:41 AM	#6
benwiggy League Commissioner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,040	You only misled me in that I thought Art Text was a font, rather than another app! I've looked through all the characters in Kokonor using FontExplorerX, and it doesn't have Roman glyphs. Therefore Photoshop's behaviour is correct. Art Text must be either substituting another font, but not displaying the name, or using what glyphs the font does have and somehow translating them to the Western glyph positions.

01-30-2013, 12:57 PM	#8
NaOH Hall of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,642	Regular Photoshop (at least as of CS 5) has a preferences option to automatically substitute for missing glyphs. In Preferences > Type is a checkbox for Enable Missing Glyph Protection. It's worth checking to see if Elements has a similar setting.

01-31-2013, 02:02 AM	#9
onlinegenie Prospect Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 23	Thanks - I'll try that.