I'm Jagged! What's new Unix-wise?

osxpez · 09-14-2002, 08:46 AM

I finally gave in to the pressure and upgraded to 10.2. Since iCal and AddressBook are not integrated in Entourage yet I don'thave much use for them. And since iChat can't reach the ICQ network I kinda feel I'm not seeing any of the benefits of Jaguar. All I have noticed so far is that the upgrade overwrote my /etc/bashrc and such and that vim has stopped working. Though I have fixed the first problem and is updating my fink install so vim should probably work in some 20 hours or so.

Anything new in the Unix system that I can go play with? Please! I need the feeling of having invested good money in something worth it.

area51 · 09-14-2002, 10:50 AM

Here are some things I found useful in Jaguar but you may or may not find them useful since they're not really UNIX features.

-Yellow Pages in Sherlock
-Having the find feature as part of the Finder
-Windows filesharing
-Global find feature in Mail
-Drag and drop printing to Print Center
-Enhanced screenshot features
-Enhanced preview application
-Rendezvous messaging
-Preferences can be listed alphabetically
-More energy saver options
-More terminal options/settings
-Better sound preferences

This is just the tip of the giant iceberg.

-area51

nick2588 · 09-14-2002, 11:48 AM

• CUPS - the unix print server with drivers for almost ANY printer, even Windows printers!
• SMB network actually works!
• The Finder is multithreaded, so it should be more stable and faster.
• There is a Character Pallet menu that can be used to QUICKLY insert weird characters.
• Mail.app is better, cool Junk Mail filter that LEARNS!
• Talking Alerts (remember those from Classic) that speak alert text!
• Spring loaded folders!
• Folder actions!
• Improved Text-To-Speech - more commands and more accurate with the new volume adjustment feature.
• Translation in Sherlock.
• screencature Terminal command - can be run as a cron job to take shots every minute or something.
• Finder windows are animated - they zoom in and out.
• There are sound for poofing things.
• You can have colored poofs in the Dock.
• You can configure the build in Firewall now - before it was hidden.
• iChat has a menu extra - it does not need to be open to get IMs! Sadly, iChat does not support MSN Messenger

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• Some basic AppleScript functions to display dialogs have improved - now AppleScript dialogs are like other OS X dialogs. They used to be Classic style.
• A new OS with programs that need developing. Get your app out there first!

• New screensavers.

nick2588 · 09-14-2002, 11:51 AM

Quote:


	Originally posted by osxpez And since iChat can't reach the ICQ network...

ICQ? MSN Messenger support is what we need. ICQ would be an OK second, but definately not first priority.

sao · 09-14-2002, 05:44 PM

osxpez,

I don't know if you use it already, but i installed with Fink the 'ccache package', and it gives me up to 5 to 10 times speedup in common compilations.

If you want to speed up your Fink install, you can check it up.

If you don't have it, check my post here:
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...&threadid=5593

Cheers...

osxpez · 09-15-2002, 04:58 AM

sao: Thank's for the hint. I think I might have use for it. It seems my fink installation is fubar.

I'm considering removing /sw and start from scratch again. I've seen fink and 10.2 threads in these forums. Do you know of any particular thread I might be helped by?

CUPS! Yes, that was one of the things that pushed me towards Jaguar. I must explore. Anyone with knowledge knows if CUPS in OSX means that I can reach a cupsd on my Linux box or if I still need the lpd->cupsd proxy there? Which doesn't work very well BTW.

osxpez · 09-15-2002, 05:04 AM

One new thing I've noticed since I installed Jag. Now OSX has crashed for the first time on my machine! I had left it running with fink update "xfree86-base" over the night and when I came back the next morning it showed a white box with the message that I needed to shut off the computer. The message was in English, German, French and Japanese. This means that Jaguar had been installed for at most 6 hours before it crashed, and crashed hard. Not a good sign!

sao · 09-15-2002, 10:45 AM

osxpez,

There is a thread about installing Fink from scratch, but it has not been very active at all:

http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...&threadid=5407

My advice is that you follow the Fink site instructions (which you are probably already doing) to install Fink from scratch:

http://fink.sourceforge.net/news/jag-bootstrap.php

and post in a new thread any problem coming out.

Cheers...

PS: Why did it crashed? Did you had a chance to check the logs?

mervTormel · 09-15-2002, 02:07 PM

Quote:


	Originally posted by osxpez ...and when I came back the next morning it showed a white box with the message that I needed to shut off the computer. The message was in English, German, French and Japanese...

i've seen those a few times, myself. is this the new kernel panic?! me no likey! give me the "scary" screen dump.

do you have core file(s)? in /cores/

nick2588 · 09-15-2002, 09:16 PM

Quote:


	Originally posted by mervTormel give me the "scary" screen dump.

Japanese is scary!
No offence of cource. You can be scared because your don't understand.

mervTormel · 09-15-2002, 09:50 PM

i was referring to how other people react to it; why i quoted it.

i prefer any dumping not to be pussified by a UI. i don't know what this new white window/four language/dimmed background request to hit the pooch button is, but i don't like it because it guards what has really happened with a smirk and a handwave dismissal. anybody know officially?

http://www.engrish.com/

below · 09-20-2002, 10:03 AM

The new ftp client is also great, as it now has quite a bunch of new features,e.g. automatically up- and downloading things.
You can now easily generate calls to ftp (I used to define a macro to do auto-up/down-loading).
`man ftp`
ftpd is new too, though I hear it was buggy in 10.2 (chroot'ing users was the talk). Supposedly fixed in 10.2.1, could not confirm by now.

Alex

09-14-2002, 08:46 AM	#1
osxpez Major Leaguer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282	I'm Jagged! What's new Unix-wise? I finally gave in to the pressure and upgraded to 10.2. Since iCal and AddressBook are not integrated in Entourage yet I don'thave much use for them. And since iChat can't reach the ICQ network I kinda feel I'm not seeing any of the benefits of Jaguar. All I have noticed so far is that the upgrade overwrote my /etc/bashrc and such and that vim has stopped working. Though I have fixed the first problem and is updating my fink install so vim should probably work in some 20 hours or so. Anything new in the Unix system that I can go play with? Please! I need the feeling of having invested good money in something worth it. __________________ /PEZ

09-14-2002, 10:50 AM	#2
area51 Prospect Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17	New Stuff in Jaguar Here are some things I found useful in Jaguar but you may or may not find them useful since they're not really UNIX features. -Yellow Pages in Sherlock -Having the find feature as part of the Finder -Windows filesharing -Global find feature in Mail -Drag and drop printing to Print Center -Enhanced screenshot features -Enhanced preview application -Rendezvous messaging -Preferences can be listed alphabetically -More energy saver options -More terminal options/settings -Better sound preferences This is just the tip of the giant iceberg. -area51

09-14-2002, 11:48 AM	#3
nick2588 Triple-A Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 99	Dont Forget • CUPS - the unix print server with drivers for almost ANY printer, even Windows printers! • SMB network actually works! • The Finder is multithreaded, so it should be more stable and faster. • There is a Character Pallet menu that can be used to QUICKLY insert weird characters. • Mail.app is better, cool Junk Mail filter that LEARNS! • Talking Alerts (remember those from Classic) that speak alert text! • Spring loaded folders! • Folder actions! • Improved Text-To-Speech - more commands and more accurate with the new volume adjustment feature. • Translation in Sherlock. • screencature Terminal command - can be run as a cron job to take shots every minute or something. • Finder windows are animated - they zoom in and out. • There are sound for poofing things. • You can have colored poofs in the Dock. • You can configure the build in Firewall now - before it was hidden. • iChat has a menu extra - it does not need to be open to get IMs! Sadly, iChat does not support MSN Messenger . • Some basic AppleScript functions to display dialogs have improved - now AppleScript dialogs are like other OS X dialogs. They used to be Classic style. • A new OS with programs that need developing. Get your app out there first! • New screensavers.

09-15-2002, 04:58 AM	#6
osxpez Major Leaguer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282	sao: Thank's for the hint. I think I might have use for it. It seems my fink installation is fubar. I'm considering removing /sw and start from scratch again. I've seen fink and 10.2 threads in these forums. Do you know of any particular thread I might be helped by? CUPS! Yes, that was one of the things that pushed me towards Jaguar. I must explore. Anyone with knowledge knows if CUPS in OSX means that I can reach a cupsd on my Linux box or if I still need the lpd->cupsd proxy there? Which doesn't work very well BTW. __________________ /PEZ

09-15-2002, 05:04 AM	#7
osxpez Major Leaguer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282	One new thing I've noticed since I installed Jag. Now OSX has crashed for the first time on my machine! I had left it running with fink update "xfree86-base" over the night and when I came back the next morning it showed a white box with the message that I needed to shut off the computer. The message was in English, German, French and Japanese. This means that Jaguar had been installed for at most 6 hours before it crashed, and crashed hard. Not a good sign! __________________ /PEZ

09-14-2002, 05:44 PM	#5
sao Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 4,237	osxpez, I don't know if you use it already, but i installed with Fink the 'ccache package', and it gives me up to 5 to 10 times speedup in common compilations. If you want to speed up your Fink install, you can check it up. If you don't have it, check my post here: http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...&threadid=5593 Cheers...

09-15-2002, 10:45 AM	#8
sao Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 4,237	osxpez, There is a thread about installing Fink from scratch, but it has not been very active at all: http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...&threadid=5407 My advice is that you follow the Fink site instructions (which you are probably already doing) to install Fink from scratch: http://fink.sourceforge.net/news/jag-bootstrap.php and post in a new thread any problem coming out. Cheers... PS: Why did it crashed? Did you had a chance to check the logs? Last edited by sao; 09-15-2002 at 10:48 AM.

09-15-2002, 09:50 PM	#11
mervTormel League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,536	i was referring to how other people react to it; why i quoted it. i prefer any dumping not to be pussified by a UI. i don't know what this new white window/four language/dimmed background request to hit the pooch button is, but i don't like it because it guards what has really happened with a smirk and a handwave dismissal. anybody know officially? http://www.engrish.com/

09-20-2002, 10:03 AM	#12
below Triple-A Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 108	And ftp... The new ftp client is also great, as it now has quite a bunch of new features,e.g. automatically up- and downloading things. You can now easily generate calls to ftp (I used to define a macro to do auto-up/down-loading). `man ftp` ftpd is new too, though I hear it was buggy in 10.2 (chroot'ing users was the talk). Supposedly fixed in 10.2.1, could not confirm by now. Alex