the preferences for terminal !!! What happened

rxmac · 08-25-2002, 10:32 PM

before jag all the preferences were in a nice neet row in my humble opinion any way and now they seemed to be scattered every where and i can't even find some am i doing something wrong

08-26-2002, 12:20 AM

If you're referring to the prefs in ~/Library/Preferences, some things are different in OS 10.2. Bear in mind that if you installed on a clean hard drive, you won't have had time to create all the prefs that you had before.

RacerX · 08-26-2002, 12:49 AM

Quote:


	Originally posted by rxmac before jag all the preferences were in a nice neet row in my humble opinion any way and now they seemed to be scattered every where and i can't even find some am i doing something wrong

Yeah, that caught me by surprise too. They are all there, just in a few places instead of the one that we had before.

I liked it the old way too.

AKcrab · 08-26-2002, 01:00 AM

"Some things are different"
"In a few places"
"Scattered everywhere"

Maybe a tad more clarity for us plebes?

08-26-2002, 02:39 AM

Some clarity regarding "Some things are different": For starters, there aren't any LS* files. We have com.apple.LaunchServices.plist. Then there are the new plists that deal with the new apps like iChat. I'm not sure what they other folks mean when they say "scattered everywhere" and "In a few places", however.

rxmac · 08-26-2002, 05:03 PM

Quote:


	Originally posted by Titanium Man Some clarity regarding "Some things are different": For starters, there aren't any LS* files. We have com.apple.LaunchServices.plist. Then there are the new plists that deal with the new apps like iChat. I'm not sure what they other folks mean when they say "scattered everywhere" and "In a few places", however.

Hey Ti Man what i was getting at is when you open terminal or any other application you can set the preferences in the menu options of that app (ex. font size,color, etc. etc.) before jag they were all in 1 place now in jag i can't even find them all , does anyone know where they all went ? !!!!!and why they cant just understand IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIXIT.

rusto · 08-26-2002, 05:34 PM

The balance of terminal prefs exist right under "Preferences" in "Window Settings".

08-27-2002, 01:42 AM

Oh, NOW I see. I thought you were referring to ~/Library/Preferences. Yeah, File->Window Settings (or Edit->Show Info like in OS 10.1) is where the other prefs can be set in Terminal.

bluehz · 08-27-2002, 07:43 AM

I most distressed that one of my most used preferences in the terminal can only be set individually - it will not stick! The option to ctrl-click to insert the cursor no longer sticks. We need a hack fast! I have investigated the plist, etc but see no method? Anyone got any ideas?

pmccann · 08-27-2002, 11:09 AM

At the risk of being seen to state the bloody obvious: have you tried clicking on that "Use settings as default" button at the bottom of the dialog at:

Terminal/Window Settings.../Emulation

Seems to work fine for me. Option click works a treat.

Cheers,
Paul (Jagging for all of a few hours now. Terminal restored to antialiased and familiar behaviour. New texshop installed. Most everything working. Nice new options in my printer driver (can save *multiple* custom settings: hooray for small mercies!), spring loaded folders are *cool*. Boo that SSHAgentServices doesn't work, boo if the claims about burning CDs that can't be read on windows boxes are true. Just downloading the 4.2.0.1 XFree86 updater. MAJOR BOO that the stupid f***ing open and save dialogs are still as useless as they were in 10.1. Does anyone at apple actually use these monstrosities?)

Handy · 08-27-2002, 10:19 PM

Upgraded to 10.2 and now I get this error ! does anyone
know how to correct this ?

Welcome to Darwin!
tcsh: Cannot open /etc/termcap.
tcsh: using dumb terminal settings.

Thanks

08-27-2002, 10:43 PM

bluehz, I'm with you. I couldn't get the Opt-click pref to stick, even when hitting "Use settings as defaults". So I modified ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Terminal.plist. I added this line which made all the difference:

OptionClickToMoveCursor

I'm posting my Terminal plist below:

% cat ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Terminal.plist
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>AutoFocus</key>
<string>YES</string>
<key>Autowrap</key>
<string>YES</string>
<key>Backwrap</key>
<string>YES</string>
<key>Bell</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>BlinkCursor</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>CleanCommands</key>
<string>rlogin;telnet;ssh;slogin</string>
<key>Columns</key>
<string>80</string>
<key>CursorShape</key>
<string>0</string>
<key>CustomTitle</key>
<string> </string>
<key>DeleteKeySendsBackspace</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>DisableAnsiColors</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>DoubleBold</key>
<string>YES</string>
<key>DoubleColumnsForDoubleWide</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>DoubleWideChars</key>
<string>YES</string>
<key>ExecutionString</key>
<string></string>
<key>FontAntialiasing</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>FontHeightSpacing</key>
<string>1</string>
<key>FontWidthSpacing</key>
<string>1</string>
<key>IsMiniaturized</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>MacTermFunctionKeys</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>Meta</key>
<string>-1</string>
<key>NSColorPanelMode</key>
<string>6</string>
<key>NSColorPanelVisibleSwatchRows</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>NSFixedPitchFont</key>
<string>Monaco</string>
<key>NSFixedPitchFontSize</key>
<real>10</real>
<key>NSFontPanelLastUsedPane</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>NSFontPanelPreviewHeight</key>
<real>0.0</real>
<key>NSWindow Frame Inspector</key>
<string>649 277 268 435 0 0 1152 746 </string>
<key>NSWindow Frame NSColorPanel</key>
<string>376 344 201 309 0 0 1152 746 </string>
<key>NSWindow Frame NSFontPanel</key>
<string>271 375 320 221 0 0 1152 746 </string>
<key>OptionClickToMoveCursor</key>
<string>YES</string>
<key>Rows</key>
<string>24</string>
<key>SaveLines</key>
<string>10000</string>
<key>ScrollRegionCompat</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>ScrollRows</key>
<string>0</string>
<key>Scrollback</key>
<string>YES</string>
<key>Shell</key>
<string>/bin/zsh</string>
<key>ShellExitAction</key>
<string>2</string>
<key>StartupFile</key>
<string></string>
<key>StrictEmulation</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>StringEncoding</key>
<string>4</string>
<key>TerminalOpaqueness</key>
<real>0.89365673065185547</real>
<key>TextColors</key>
<string>0.807 0.768 0.000 0.006 0.000 0.122 0.946 0.946 0.946 0.946 0.946 0.946 0.006 0.000 0.122 0.807 0.768 0.000 0.398 0.257 0.452 0.007 0.502 0.072 </string>
<key>TitleBits</key>
<string>8</string>
<key>Translate</key>
<string>YES</string>
<key>UseCtrlVEscapes</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>VisualBell</key>
<string>NO</string>
<key>WinLocULY</key>
<string>586</string>
<key>WinLocX</key>
<string>9</string>
<key>WinLocY</key>
<string>0</string>
<key>WindowCloseAction</key>
<string>1</string>
<key>dv com.apple.soundmgr._DV Sound Output Settings</key>
<data>
fQAAAA==
</data>
</dict>
</plist>

Regarding "dumb terminal settings", that's a new one on me!

mervTormel · 08-27-2002, 10:55 PM

no such file /etc/termcap here. it seems that the termcap database has been unraveled to /usr/share/terminfo . i can find no termcap on my jag rig.

what is the value of $TERM ?

% echo $TERM

what does tset say?

% tset -s

which tcsh ?

% which tcsh

Handy · 08-27-2002, 11:07 PM

Thanks

Last login: Wed Aug 28 11:04:31 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
tcsh: Cannot open /etc/termcap.
tcsh: using dumb terminal settings.
[localhost:~] ella% echo $TERM
network
[localhost:~] ella% tset -s
tset: can't initialize terminal type network (error -1)
Terminal type? ^C
[localhost:~] ella% which tcsh
/bin/tcsh
[localhost:~] ella%

bluehz · 08-28-2002, 12:34 AM

Holy Cow Titanium Man - you solved it!!! How di you ever figure that out - I spent a long time comparing the 10.1.5 .plist to the 10.2 .plist and I could see nothing like that. Where did you find that tidbit of info! Thanks loads!!!

I have seen the termcap thing too - but only once or twice.....not sure what causes it and it is not reproducible.

08-28-2002, 12:45 AM

bluehz, glad it worked for you, it made things easier when I viewed both plists in Property List Editor. That's odd that this option wouldn't stay when clicking "Use settings as defaults". Handy, did you upgrade or archive and install when you installed OS 10.2?

Handy · 08-28-2002, 01:21 AM

Upgraded - installed right on top !

08-28-2002, 11:17 AM

Handy, I would say that if you can't figure out what's going on soon (being without Terminal for a few days is crippling; never knew I'd miss it so much) and you can't isolate the problem to your home directory, (check your .cshrc, .tcshrc, .login, or whatever similar files you have) then it's time to consider the archive and install. Bear in mind that your stuff in places like /usr and /bin will be moved aside and replaced, so if you have anything there you'll want to put a symlink in the new place pointing to the old place, or even better, reinstall it. Hopefully someone will come up with a better fix before you do this, but if it gets to be too long with no solution forthcoming, the archive and install is what I'd do.

fhmiv · 08-29-2002, 10:04 AM

I had a little help yesterday and figured this out.

Seems like 10.2 uses /usr/share/terminfo. On my system, vt100-related things are in /usr/share/terminfo/76/vt100*. On the system having this problem, there was no plain old vt100.

Adding the vt100 file from a working system to /usr/share/terminfo/76/ on the broken system corrected the problem for me.

Evil system-installer-ignoring workaround until a fix is released:

1) Put 10.2 disc 1 in your cd-rom drive.
2) Open a terminal.
3) "cd /"
4) "sudo zcat /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ Disc\ 1/System/Installation/Packages/Essentials.pkg/Contents/Archive.pax.gz | pax -r ./usr/share/terminfo/76/vt100"
(Note: All of the command in item 4 should go on one line)

steveo · 06-28-2003, 08:19 PM

i realize this post is old...but anyways:

tried the above post

I tried that, but got:
pax: Could not unlink ./usr/share/terminfo/76/vt100 <Permission denied>

and i'm using sudo. any other ideas?

08-25-2002, 10:32 PM	#1
rxmac Triple-A Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 52	the preferences for terminal !!! What happened before jag all the preferences were in a nice neet row in my humble opinion any way and now they seemed to be scattered every where and i can't even find some am i doing something wrong

08-26-2002, 05:34 PM	#7
rusto MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,489	The balance of terminal prefs exist right under "Preferences" in "Window Settings". __________________ :: 3.4GHz Core i7 iMac 4GB RAM :: Black MacBook SR :: 10.7.2 :: iPhone 4 / iOS 5 ::

08-27-2002, 11:09 AM	#10
pmccann Major Leaguer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 470	At the risk of being seen to state the bloody obvious: have you tried clicking on that "Use settings as default" button at the bottom of the dialog at: Terminal/Window Settings.../Emulation Seems to work fine for me. Option click works a treat. Cheers, Paul (Jagging for all of a few hours now. Terminal restored to antialiased and familiar behaviour. New texshop installed. Most everything working. Nice new options in my printer driver (can save multiple custom settings: hooray for small mercies!), spring loaded folders are cool. Boo that SSHAgentServices doesn't work, boo if the claims about burning CDs that can't be read on windows boxes are true. Just downloading the 4.2.0.1 XFree86 updater. MAJOR BOO that the stupid f**ing open and save dialogs are still as useless as they were in 10.1. Does anyone at apple actually use these monstrosities?) Last edited by pmccann; 08-27-2002 at 11:14 AM.*

08-27-2002, 10:19 PM	#11
Handy Prospect Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4	Terminal Prob. Upgraded to 10.2 and now I get this error ! does anyone know how to correct this ? Welcome to Darwin! tcsh: Cannot open /etc/termcap. tcsh: using dumb terminal settings. Thanks

08-29-2002, 10:04 AM	#19
fhmiv Prospect Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1	Fixing "unable to open /etc/termcap" I had a little help yesterday and figured this out. Seems like 10.2 uses /usr/share/terminfo. On my system, vt100-related things are in /usr/share/terminfo/76/vt100*. On the system having this problem, there was no plain old vt100. Adding the vt100 file from a working system to /usr/share/terminfo/76/ on the broken system corrected the problem for me. Evil system-installer-ignoring workaround until a fix is released: 1) Put 10.2 disc 1 in your cd-rom drive. 2) Open a terminal. 3) "cd /" 4) "sudo zcat /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ Disc\ 1/System/Installation/Packages/Essentials.pkg/Contents/Archive.pax.gz \| pax -r ./usr/share/terminfo/76/vt100" (Note: All of the command in item 4 should go on one line)

08-26-2002, 12:20 AM	#2
Titanium Man Guest Posts: n/a	If you're referring to the prefs in ~/Library/Preferences, some things are different in OS 10.2. Bear in mind that if you installed on a clean hard drive, you won't have had time to create all the prefs that you had before.

08-26-2002, 01:00 AM	#4
AKcrab MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Wasilla, AK Posts: 1,043	"Some things are different" "In a few places" "Scattered everywhere" Maybe a tad more clarity for us plebes?

08-26-2002, 02:39 AM	#5
Titanium Man Guest Posts: n/a	Some clarity regarding "Some things are different": For starters, there aren't any LS* files. We have com.apple.LaunchServices.plist. Then there are the new plists that deal with the new apps like iChat. I'm not sure what they other folks mean when they say "scattered everywhere" and "In a few places", however.

08-27-2002, 01:42 AM	#8
Titanium Man Guest Posts: n/a	Oh, NOW I see. I thought you were referring to ~/Library/Preferences. Yeah, File->Window Settings (or Edit->Show Info like in OS 10.1) is where the other prefs can be set in Terminal.

08-27-2002, 07:43 AM	#9
bluehz MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,562	I most distressed that one of my most used preferences in the terminal can only be set individually - it will not stick! The option to ctrl-click to insert the cursor no longer sticks. We need a hack fast! I have investigated the plist, etc but see no method? Anyone got any ideas?

08-27-2002, 10:43 PM	#12
Titanium Man Guest Posts: n/a	bluehz, I'm with you. I couldn't get the Opt-click pref to stick, even when hitting "Use settings as defaults". So I modified ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Terminal.plist. I added this line which made all the difference: OptionClickToMoveCursor I'm posting my Terminal plist below: % cat ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Terminal.plist <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd"> <plist version="1.0"> <dict> <key>AutoFocus</key> <string>YES</string> <key>Autowrap</key> <string>YES</string> <key>Backwrap</key> <string>YES</string> <key>Bell</key> <string>NO</string> <key>BlinkCursor</key> <string>NO</string> <key>CleanCommands</key> <string>rlogin;telnet;ssh;slogin</string> <key>Columns</key> <string>80</string> <key>CursorShape</key> <string>0</string> <key>CustomTitle</key> <string> </string> <key>DeleteKeySendsBackspace</key> <string>NO</string> <key>DisableAnsiColors</key> <string>NO</string> <key>DoubleBold</key> <string>YES</string> <key>DoubleColumnsForDoubleWide</key> <string>NO</string> <key>DoubleWideChars</key> <string>YES</string> <key>ExecutionString</key> <string></string> <key>FontAntialiasing</key> <string>NO</string> <key>FontHeightSpacing</key> <string>1</string> <key>FontWidthSpacing</key> <string>1</string> <key>IsMiniaturized</key> <string>NO</string> <key>MacTermFunctionKeys</key> <string>NO</string> <key>Meta</key> <string>-1</string> <key>NSColorPanelMode</key> <string>6</string> <key>NSColorPanelVisibleSwatchRows</key> <integer>1</integer> <key>NSFixedPitchFont</key> <string>Monaco</string> <key>NSFixedPitchFontSize</key> <real>10</real> <key>NSFontPanelLastUsedPane</key> <integer>0</integer> <key>NSFontPanelPreviewHeight</key> <real>0.0</real> <key>NSWindow Frame Inspector</key> <string>649 277 268 435 0 0 1152 746 </string> <key>NSWindow Frame NSColorPanel</key> <string>376 344 201 309 0 0 1152 746 </string> <key>NSWindow Frame NSFontPanel</key> <string>271 375 320 221 0 0 1152 746 </string> <key>OptionClickToMoveCursor</key> <string>YES</string> <key>Rows</key> <string>24</string> <key>SaveLines</key> <string>10000</string> <key>ScrollRegionCompat</key> <string>NO</string> <key>ScrollRows</key> <string>0</string> <key>Scrollback</key> <string>YES</string> <key>Shell</key> <string>/bin/zsh</string> <key>ShellExitAction</key> <string>2</string> <key>StartupFile</key> <string></string> <key>StrictEmulation</key> <string>NO</string> <key>StringEncoding</key> <string>4</string> <key>TerminalOpaqueness</key> <real>0.89365673065185547</real> <key>TextColors</key> <string>0.807 0.768 0.000 0.006 0.000 0.122 0.946 0.946 0.946 0.946 0.946 0.946 0.006 0.000 0.122 0.807 0.768 0.000 0.398 0.257 0.452 0.007 0.502 0.072 </string> <key>TitleBits</key> <string>8</string> <key>Translate</key> <string>YES</string> <key>UseCtrlVEscapes</key> <string>NO</string> <key>VisualBell</key> <string>NO</string> <key>WinLocULY</key> <string>586</string> <key>WinLocX</key> <string>9</string> <key>WinLocY</key> <string>0</string> <key>WindowCloseAction</key> <string>1</string> <key>dv com.apple.soundmgr._DV Sound Output Settings</key> <data> fQAAAA== </data> </dict> </plist> Regarding "dumb terminal settings", that's a new one on me!

08-27-2002, 10:55 PM	#13
mervTormel League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,536	no such file /etc/termcap here. it seems that the termcap database has been unraveled to /usr/share/terminfo . i can find no termcap on my jag rig. what is the value of $TERM ? % echo $TERM what does tset say? % tset -s which tcsh ? % which tcsh

08-27-2002, 11:07 PM	#14
Handy Prospect Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4	Thanks Last login: Wed Aug 28 11:04:31 on ttyp1 Welcome to Darwin! tcsh: Cannot open /etc/termcap. tcsh: using dumb terminal settings. [localhost:~] ella% echo $TERM network [localhost:~] ella% tset -s tset: can't initialize terminal type network (error -1) Terminal type? ^C [localhost:~] ella% which tcsh /bin/tcsh [localhost:~] ella%

08-28-2002, 12:34 AM	#15
bluehz MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,562	Holy Cow Titanium Man - you solved it!!! How di you ever figure that out - I spent a long time comparing the 10.1.5 .plist to the 10.2 .plist and I could see nothing like that. Where did you find that tidbit of info! Thanks loads!!! I have seen the termcap thing too - but only once or twice.....not sure what causes it and it is not reproducible.

08-28-2002, 12:45 AM	#16
Titanium Man Guest Posts: n/a	bluehz, glad it worked for you, it made things easier when I viewed both plists in Property List Editor. That's odd that this option wouldn't stay when clicking "Use settings as defaults". Handy, did you upgrade or archive and install when you installed OS 10.2?

08-28-2002, 01:21 AM	#17
Handy Prospect Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4	Upgraded - installed right on top !

08-28-2002, 11:17 AM	#18
Titanium Man Guest Posts: n/a	Handy, I would say that if you can't figure out what's going on soon (being without Terminal for a few days is crippling; never knew I'd miss it so much) and you can't isolate the problem to your home directory, (check your .cshrc, .tcshrc, .login, or whatever similar files you have) then it's time to consider the archive and install. Bear in mind that your stuff in places like /usr and /bin will be moved aside and replaced, so if you have anything there you'll want to put a symlink in the new place pointing to the old place, or even better, reinstall it. Hopefully someone will come up with a better fix before you do this, but if it gets to be too long with no solution forthcoming, the archive and install is what I'd do.

06-28-2003, 08:19 PM	#20
steveo Prospect Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 26	i realize this post is old...but anyways: tried the above post I tried that, but got: pax: Could not unlink ./usr/share/terminfo/76/vt100 <Permission denied> and i'm using sudo. any other ideas?