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Old 01-23-2002, 05:15 PM   #1
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handling a Brother 1270N

hi all

I'm trying to print to my Brother 1270N ethernet connected printer. I addded it via print center to the LPR printer list, and it works a bit...

but not fully : I can print ONE document from Office v. X, but the second print of the same or another document consistently crashes the printer, which spews a page with 'invalid access'. A switchon-switchoff of the printer is the only way to get it working again.

anyone any idea what I could do to get it running ????
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Old 01-24-2002, 12:45 AM   #2
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Not that it helps, but mine occasionally displays the same symptoms. More irritating, though, is that it randomly switches its IP address from .100 to .101. And this happens on both the Mac and the PC, so it's not an OS X thing ;-).

I'd be interested if someone found a workaround for the print-once-only thing.

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Old 01-24-2002, 03:54 AM   #3
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well, from the PC side everything runs fine here, as well as from MacOS 9, so as far as I can see, it is an OSX problem.

the ip switch hasn't happened to me yet. I mailed brother with a help request yesterday. If something shows up, I'll post it here
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Old 01-24-2002, 09:32 AM   #4
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Sorry, I meant to imply that the IP number switching was happening on both machines. The print-once thing is definitely an OS X glitch.

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Old 01-25-2002, 04:01 PM   #5
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solution !

here's the mail I received from Brother Tech support :


Dear sir,

First of all, the Mac OS 9 ppd is a ppd that works only correct with
AppleTalk. To make the HL-1270N work on your Mac OS 10.1 you need to do a
upgrade of your system with the Software Upgrade from System Preferences and
install the printer drivers from HP.
After this is done, you can use the driver of a the HP Laserjet 5M to make
your printer work. I did some testing on an iMac G3 with Mac OS 10.1.2 and
MS Word X.

Best regards,

Brother Helpdesk
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Old 01-26-2002, 01:02 AM   #6
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Alternate solution?

I tried this, and it indeed worked. But there is a tradeoff -- you lose access to some of the Brother's high-end features. Specifically, the 1270N will print at 1200dpi, and the Laserjet 5M dialog only offers 600dpi.

But something else written tipped me off to another possible solution. I had been using the Brother in "LPR via IP" mode. After deleting the "HP" version, I re-added the printer as an AppleTalk printer, but again chose the OS 9 Brother-specific PPD.

Bingo, perfect solution. I can now print many pages from Office v.X without any errors, and I have access to all the Brother-specific features!

So thank you, and thanks to Brother for the response. Using that as a starting point, I now have a very happy AppleTalk laser printer!

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Old 01-26-2002, 03:22 AM   #7
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cool ! I'll try this tonight !

so basically, what you did was set up the brother via the HP drivers, and then delete the printer again, create a new one but this time over appletalk for which select the old macOS 9 ppd.

why in heavens name didn't this work BEFORE the HP installation ???

or is that appletalk solution not possible without the HP stuff ?
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Old 01-26-2002, 09:14 AM   #8
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I'm not sure. I don't think you need the HP first solution. I had just done it, so I had to delete it and start over.

I haven't installed the HP printer drivers, so that's not it. Just make sure AppleTalk is turned on in Network Prefs first. This is probably the change that makes this possible - Apple added back AppleTalk support in 10.1; I installed my printer in the 10.0 days.

So basically, open the Print Center, delete any existing Brother printers, click the AppleTalk button, you should now see the Brother printer, pop-up the "Printer Description" (or whatever it says) button, scroll to the very bottom, select "Other", then navigate to the OS 9 PPD for the HL-1270N. OS X will copy this into your ~/Library/Printers folder, and you're set!

I changed our iBook, too, and now printing via AirPort and AppleTalk is also flawless. Before, I had real troubles with this combo via IP/LPR.

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Old 01-26-2002, 09:42 AM   #9
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Unhappy

my printer doesn't show up in the appletalk list...

how can I figure out if appletalk is enabled on the printer ??
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Old 01-26-2002, 09:53 AM   #10
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okay, I found that, using the Windows-only Brother Admin tool I can configure the server. However, when going to the 'protocols' tab, I can't enable appletalk ! It's switched off and disabled !

grr !
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Old 01-26-2002, 10:06 AM   #11
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Use the built-in webserver

You should be able to admin it from the Mac. In the browser, go to 192.168.1.100 (the default IP unless you changed it). Click on the "Administrator Settings" button, then enter the password (in the manual unless you changed it), then "Network Board" settings, then "AppleTalk". I can enable it from that panel.

You've double-checked that AppleTalk is enabled on the Mac, right?

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Old 01-26-2002, 10:11 AM   #12
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nope... there's no appletalk there :-(

I have firmware 1.00 and can configure TCP/IP, NetBios, Port Settings, Internet, Servive and Ethernet. But not appletalk. I'm going to walk through all of these to check out if it's somewhere in a subscreen...
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Old 01-26-2002, 10:16 AM   #13
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I think it's somewhere in the services that I miss Appletalk...

I have these :


- BRN 310BA5 P1
- binary P1
- text P1
- postscript P1
- PCL P1
- BRN 310BA P1 AT


what do you have ?

when clicking any of these, there's o appletalk anywhere, except in the filter popupmenu...
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Old 01-26-2002, 10:18 AM   #14
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even more painfull is the fact that I can't connect to the driver update website (solutions.brother.com)

:-( :-(
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Old 01-26-2002, 11:26 AM   #15
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Thumbs down Too Bad

It's really too bad Appletalk sucks. LPR is so fast, its wonderful. With appletalk you lose a lot of speed and functionality.

To me this solution is not adequete. I want to leave appletalk behind, just like i left classic behind. That's right, i deleted OS 9 completely and im damn proud of it.

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Old 01-26-2002, 11:38 AM   #16
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to swgs:

I haven't noticed any significant speed difference in my print jobs with AppleTalk vs. LPR. Last night, I sent a 15-page graphically-intense document to the printer, and didn't notice that it took any longer than LPR. Unless Brother updates something, I'll stick to the AppleTalk solution. It beats powering the printer down and up between every print job.

I might feel differently if I were in the print industry and did nothing but crank out pages all day, but for my occasional needs, AppleTalk and the OS 9 PPD are working very nicely.

And while I'd love to leave Classic behind, GroupWise (our work email program) will probably never be updated for OS X, so I'm stuck there. Other than Photoshop Elements at home, though, I'm nearly Classic-free. Just need the new GoLive to start shipping, along with the full Photoshop (which I'll probably upgrade to), and that will probably do it.

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My Brother is at firmware version 1.18. I imagine that's why you don't yet have AppleTalk as a choice -- it was probably added in one of the updates between 1.00 and 1.18. Hopefully their website will come back online shortly and you can check.

-rob.
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Old 01-26-2002, 12:27 PM   #17
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If any of you consider yourself LPR experts on OS X, maybe you could check out this thread and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks!
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Old 01-26-2002, 06:51 PM   #18
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Lightbulb there are actually 2 problems

there are actually 2 parts to the problem - I have 2 HL-1470Ns with the same symptoms and I have fixed one problem with help from Apple. The problem comes when you create the printer under your user name rather than root. The printer needs system access which it then doesn't have and so you get an invalid access error message. the solution to this is to change the user priviliges by loggong in as root through the terminal CLI.
The rest of the problem still remains for me though and I'm unable to print multipage documents using LPR or Appletalk until Brother write a OS X specific printer description file. I'll try the HP one in the meantime though
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