Mystery problem, Partial Paritions on a B/w G3 400 running Panther 10.31

anthlover · 12-03-2003, 05:42 PM

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I took the Liberty of Lifting this thread from Cudaboy_71 into hardware forum from elsewhere to try to lend a hand...
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From: Cudaboy_71

i've installed 10.3 on a stock b/w G3 400. it is amazingly fast.

only drawback: half of my volumes dont show up.

my setup:
PRI-MAS 8gb ATA partitioned to 7gb/1gb.
PRI-SLA 6gb ATA partitioned to 3gb/3gb.

the master 7gb partition has os9.2.2 installed on it. recently i installed 10.3 onto the first of the 3GB partitions on the slave. (X hadnt been installed on this machine previously)

osx 10.3 now boots fine. but, only the two 3gb partitions are visible in the finder. in order to even boot back into os9 i have to boot from an os9 CD (where the master partitions are now visible) and choose the os9 partition as the startup disk.

i've read thru a couple of documents: one states that volume names may not begin with a '.' (period). neither of the master voumes do. another document illustrates the reverse problem--osx volumes not showing up in os9 because the drivers are not loaded.

im stumped. any ideas?

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i'm having trouble seeing the entire 'master' when booted into x.

strange beyond my comprehension. as the slave drive is only 6gb, X would necessarily HAVE to be on the first 8. but, just to cover my bases, it is on the first partition. what's odd is i cannot see any of the primary master at all.

i'm ruling out physical jumpers (and really any hardware issue at all) because when i boot into os9 nativley (first partition of primary master) i can see all 4 partitons (pri and sla).

have not run any X utilities on the missing partitons, as X cannot see it. i have run several in 9 with no errors. i've also run X's disk utility on the PRI-SLA drive that works...no errors there either.
cudaboy_71

anthlover · 12-03-2003, 05:44 PM

Hmmm....

Older Systems Not sure when Older stops Require OSX to be installed on the first less then 8 gig Partition of a Drive.... Though you booted in X 10.31.

Other then that Jumpers, Master, Slave, and Bad Motherboard ATA controller are always possible though it sounds as if your having trouble seeing part of a drive? **** which is a different kettle of Fish.**

Are the missing Paritions viewable on another X system? Have you run DiskWarrior X over it etc?

I tend to install X first and then install Clean Install 9.21 (9.21 install CD whines at you other wise).

anthlover · 12-03-2003, 05:51 PM

Maybe Drivers and last time drive was formatted?? or someone else had better Ideas..

Two things:

1) Have you tried putting the drives in other Systems running X for Testing.

2) I suspect maybe Drivers, X requires its own and also installs OS9 ones when you do a virgin install. Maybe the drives have not been formatted by X or a recent enough version of 9.x.

I suspect if you backed the drives up and reformatted them in Panther with OS9 drivers and then isntalled 9.21 (Clean or OS9 installer whines at you) you would be good to go.

stetner · 12-03-2003, 06:14 PM

You might try booting X in verbose mode (hold down CMD-v while booting) to see if any errors come out. Nothing in the /var/log/system.log ?

cudaboy_71 · 12-03-2003, 11:11 PM

thanks for resurrecting this thread. you may be onto something with the drivers. that PRI-MAS 8GB drive was last formatted when it was new (in a first generation f/w external enclosure...what was that about '97). and, im not even sure *what* i formatted it with...i recall being fond of both anubis and FWB utilities back then.

i may try popping that drive back in a f/w enclosure and see if my powerbook can see it. if not it may be time to wipe it.

it may be a few days before i can play with it tho. lotta stuff in my inbox.

anthlover · 12-04-2003, 06:51 AM

Anyway, I strongly suggest you back up all Data and do a fresh Format with Jag or Panther. It is always crucial to have backups anyway...

Also as you know with Jaguar/Panther there is no reason anymore to Paritition under most circumstances (Both Jag/Panther and OS9 9.2x) have virgin installs with out reforamtting (Archive and Install and Clean install respectively.

And with a 6gig and 7.8gig formatted Capacities you do not need to worry about the 8 gig limit (which I am not even sure your particular system is limited too).

Anyone have a URL for machines limited to that less than gig first 8gig patition?

cudaboy_71 · 02-03-2004, 02:06 PM

i've finally given up on trying to get my poor b/w G3 to ever see its drives on the stock IDE bus.

does anyone have any suggestions for a cheap, bootable PCI card?

thanks.

Mad Hatter · 04-06-2004, 09:04 AM

I'd suggest getting a new drive first. Those old small IDE drives were dogs (10MB/sec) and if you want a PCI card, any of the SIIG/ACard/Sonnet (made by ACard usually and sold by others) or Serial ATA works great.

There was/is no 8GB limitation on B&W though some still insist there was/is on early rev 1 systems.

Assuming you have setup the two drives properly, LAST drive on cable jumpered to MASTER and middle drive to SLAVE and it doesn't work, then try using another cable. And use Drive Setup 2.07 if not Jag/Panther CD.

12-03-2003, 05:42 PM	#1
anthlover Hall of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,620	Mystery problem, Partial Paritions on a B/w G3 400 running Panther 10.31 ------------------ I took the Liberty of Lifting this thread from Cudaboy_71 into hardware forum from elsewhere to try to lend a hand... ------------------------- From: Cudaboy_71 i've installed 10.3 on a stock b/w G3 400. it is amazingly fast. only drawback: half of my volumes dont show up. my setup: PRI-MAS 8gb ATA partitioned to 7gb/1gb. PRI-SLA 6gb ATA partitioned to 3gb/3gb. the master 7gb partition has os9.2.2 installed on it. recently i installed 10.3 onto the first of the 3GB partitions on the slave. (X hadnt been installed on this machine previously) osx 10.3 now boots fine. but, only the two 3gb partitions are visible in the finder. in order to even boot back into os9 i have to boot from an os9 CD (where the master partitions are now visible) and choose the os9 partition as the startup disk. i've read thru a couple of documents: one states that volume names may not begin with a '.' (period). neither of the master voumes do. another document illustrates the reverse problem--osx volumes not showing up in os9 because the drivers are not loaded. im stumped. any ideas? ---------------Part 2--------------- i'm having trouble seeing the entire 'master' when booted into x. strange beyond my comprehension. as the slave drive is only 6gb, X would necessarily HAVE to be on the first 8. but, just to cover my bases, it is on the first partition. what's odd is i cannot see any of the primary master at all. i'm ruling out physical jumpers (and really any hardware issue at all) because when i boot into os9 nativley (first partition of primary master) i can see all 4 partitons (pri and sla). have not run any X utilities on the missing partitons, as X cannot see it. i have run several in 9 with no errors. i've also run X's disk utility on the PRI-SLA drive that works...no errors there either. cudaboy_71 Last edited by anthlover; 12-03-2003 at 05:55 PM.

12-03-2003, 05:44 PM	#2
anthlover Hall of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,620	My First response Hmmm.... Older Systems Not sure when Older stops Require OSX to be installed on the first less then 8 gig Partition of a Drive.... Though you booted in X 10.31. Other then that Jumpers, Master, Slave, and Bad Motherboard ATA controller are always possible though it sounds as if your having trouble seeing part of a drive? ** which is a different kettle of Fish. Are the missing Paritions viewable on another X system? Have you run DiskWarrior X over it etc? I tend to install X first and then install Clean Install 9.21 (9.21 install CD whines at you other wise). Last edited by anthlover; 12-04-2003 at 06:54 AM.

12-03-2003, 05:51 PM	#3
anthlover Hall of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,620	Maybe Drivers and last formatted?? or someone else had better Ideas Maybe Drivers and last time drive was formatted?? or someone else had better Ideas.. Two things: 1) Have you tried putting the drives in other Systems running X for Testing. 2) I suspect maybe Drivers, X requires its own and also installs OS9 ones when you do a virgin install. Maybe the drives have not been formatted by X or a recent enough version of 9.x. I suspect if you backed the drives up and reformatted them in Panther with OS9 drivers and then isntalled 9.21 (Clean or OS9 installer whines at you) you would be good to go.

12-03-2003, 06:14 PM	#4
stetner MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,108	You might try booting X in verbose mode (hold down CMD-v while booting) to see if any errors come out. Nothing in the /var/log/system.log ? __________________ Douglas G. Stetner UNIX Live Free Or Die

12-04-2003, 06:51 AM	#6
anthlover Hall of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,620	I used to be big on APS/apstech and Silverlinning etc. Anyway, I strongly suggest you back up all Data and do a fresh Format with Jag or Panther. It is always crucial to have backups anyway... Also as you know with Jaguar/Panther there is no reason anymore to Paritition under most circumstances (Both Jag/Panther and OS9 9.2x) have virgin installs with out reforamtting (Archive and Install and Clean install respectively. And with a 6gig and 7.8gig formatted Capacities you do not need to worry about the 8 gig limit (which I am not even sure your particular system is limited too). Anyone have a URL for machines limited to that less than gig first 8gig patition?

12-03-2003, 11:11 PM	#5
cudaboy_71 All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: sacramento, ca Posts: 874	thanks for resurrecting this thread. you may be onto something with the drivers. that PRI-MAS 8GB drive was last formatted when it was new (in a first generation f/w external enclosure...what was that about '97). and, im not even sure what i formatted it with...i recall being fond of both anubis and FWB utilities back then. i may try popping that drive back in a f/w enclosure and see if my powerbook can see it. if not it may be time to wipe it. it may be a few days before i can play with it tho. lotta stuff in my inbox.

02-03-2004, 02:06 PM	#7
cudaboy_71 All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: sacramento, ca Posts: 874	i've finally given up on trying to get my poor b/w G3 to ever see its drives on the stock IDE bus. does anyone have any suggestions for a cheap, bootable PCI card? thanks.

04-06-2004, 09:04 AM	#8
Mad Hatter Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 25	I'd suggest getting a new drive first. Those old small IDE drives were dogs (10MB/sec) and if you want a PCI card, any of the SIIG/ACard/Sonnet (made by ACard usually and sold by others) or Serial ATA works great. There was/is no 8GB limitation on B&W though some still insist there was/is on early rev 1 systems. Assuming you have setup the two drives properly, LAST drive on cable jumpered to MASTER and middle drive to SLAVE and it doesn't work, then try using another cable. And use Drive Setup 2.07 if not Jag/Panther CD.