Safari - failure to load urls on initial request

capsul · 11-08-2003, 10:02 PM

Running 10.3, Safari 1.1 (v100)

On occasion, when attempting to access a web page, Safari will report "Could not open the page "http://www.randomurl.org/" because the server "www.randomurl.org" could not be found."

However, reloading the url brings the requested page. I recall seeing this occur in early builds of Safari, but had disappeared in the later builds I was using under Jaguar. But, when upgrading to Panther, this issue has returned.

This has occurred on all variety of sites, CNN, Apple, my own meager site, A List Apart, etc.

Has anyone else seen this happening?

Redeemer · 11-09-2003, 06:55 PM

I have that simlar problem on specific sites.

On lycos mail, when I insert my name and password and hit enter, it starts loading my inbox, but the load bar halts about a half an inch in. If I reload twice, I can get into my inbox, but no other way... Netscape 7 and Explorer don't have this problem. I've had this issue since the beta, but back then it happened at alot more sites.

Weird

zo · 11-14-2003, 11:16 AM

Began with Panther, a tad annoying, hitting enter again promptly loads the page it couldn't find two seconds ago. Weird indeed.

vancenase · 11-14-2003, 03:51 PM

i have also noticed this. happens quite frequently ... especially when i choose a bookmark. (running panther, 10.3.1, safari v100)

ulrichm · 11-14-2003, 03:57 PM

I use Mozilla Firebird, which does not suffer from this problem and runs much faster as well as having a better cache control.

zed · 11-14-2003, 04:01 PM

This might be an issue where the DNS does not return the data in time, then when you hit return again the data is in the local cache and thus returns and off you go..

Cheers,

---Zed

houchin · 11-14-2003, 07:04 PM

Are any of you running with something like Authoxy or Squid or Privoxy as a local proxy server? If so, and you've set your proxies to "localhost" in network preferences, change it to "127.0.0.1" Panther appears to have a problem talking to "localhost" but 127.0.0.1 works just fine.

capsul · 11-15-2003, 05:15 PM

nope - i have absolutely no mods on anything now. box-fresh install of panther. oh i did install 10.3.1 and the two security updates..

vancenase · 11-15-2003, 05:23 PM

--> same here

vancenase · 11-21-2003, 04:09 PM

i'm going to bump this back into play, because it's really getting on my nerves.

if i click on a link, or choose a bookmark, or even type in a new URL into the URL box, the page loading errors within a few seconds (about 7 or so). but, if i put my cursor in the URL box and hit enter ... or hit the refresh button ... the page loads.

does not seem to matter whether i am

a) using a cable modem behing a firewall router
b) at school on a fast network
c) using airport or directly connectly using an ethernet cord

wow. even ping is bunk (i did this right after one another):

Code:

[powerdugg:~] user% ping google.com
ping: unknown host google.com
[powerdugg:~] user% ping google.com
PING google.com (216.239.57.99): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=113.209 ms
64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=92.769 ms
64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=93.833 ms
64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=94.247 ms
64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=46 time=96.408 ms
64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=46 time=92.998 m
^Z
Suspended

what is up?!?!

vancenase · 11-21-2003, 04:37 PM

ok, even when i start iChat to log into AIM ... it fails on the first try, and i have to pull down 'available' to connect.

anyone know what could be going on?

hayne · 11-21-2003, 04:44 PM

I think 'zed' was correct when he (above) ascribed this problem to DNS.

You say that ping is having a problem but you demonstate this by pinging a hostname. Instead, try pinging an IP address. E.g. for google.com:

ping 216.239.57.99

I think you will find that pinging by IP address will work fine as will accessing web pages by IP address, etc. What is going wrong is the lookup of the IP address from the name - that is waht DNS does.

A useful tool for diagnosing DNS problems is 'dnstracer'. Search and you will find a macosxhints "hint" article about it. It is a command-line utility and is available via Fink.

vancenase · 11-24-2003, 06:17 PM

so i installed that program, and it pretty much verified that: it seems to be able to ping IP addresses right on the money on the first time ... but it takes 2+ (usually 2) times to recognize domains/hostnames.

here is another odd observation: Camino (the web browser) does not really have this problem -- yes, it takes a bit longer to get to the website ... but it doesn't give me an error about loading the page ...

this is frustrating! should i try another router?

vancenase · 11-24-2003, 06:21 PM

also, i found a weird entry in my /etc/hosts file, but taking it out only helped a bit (it seemed to help at first, but the problem appeared within a few minutes)

(see the last line)

Code:

# Host Database
#
# localhost is used to configure the loopback interface
# when the system is booting.  Do not change this entry.
##
127.0.0.1       localhost
255.255.255.255 broadcasthost
::1             localhost

stetner · 11-24-2003, 10:05 PM

Those are normal enries. If by 'a weird one' you mean
::1 localhost

That is just the IPv6 localhost address.

agentx · 11-25-2003, 02:40 PM

I have been havin same problems....on two machines....it really feels like a dns issue....lookupd or something apple have still not sorted....since 10.2.2 etc.....

vancenase · 11-25-2003, 02:51 PM

do you have cable (or dsl)? i think i'm having cable provider issues (no problems at work). see my post here:

http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...threadid=17874

i can't rule out my router though ...

dcoughli · 11-07-2004, 10:33 PM

I'm having the same problems. Has anyone come up with a solution to this? I am on a DSL line wirelessly using an Airport Express as a router.

However, I can't believe that it's a connection problem as my other computers are fine. It has to be an issue with resolving the DNS. But why did it magically start happening now?

Any help would be much appreciated.

~Dan
http://www.pbase.com/efatapo

MBHockey · 11-07-2004, 11:42 PM

i have to experience this issue with the version of Safari [1.2.4 (v125.11)] that came with 10.3.6

walchan99 · 11-09-2004, 12:04 PM

Yep, the 10.3.6 update did this to me, and it isn't going away.

11-08-2003, 10:02 PM	#1
capsul Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: tokyo, japan Posts: 20	Safari - failure to load urls on initial request Running 10.3, Safari 1.1 (v100) On occasion, when attempting to access a web page, Safari will report "Could not open the page "http://www.randomurl.org/" because the server "www.randomurl.org" could not be found." However, reloading the url brings the requested page. I recall seeing this occur in early builds of Safari, but had disappeared in the later builds I was using under Jaguar. But, when upgrading to Panther, this issue has returned. This has occurred on all variety of sites, CNN, Apple, my own meager site, A List Apart, etc. Has anyone else seen this happening? Last edited by capsul; 11-09-2003 at 09:33 AM.

11-09-2003, 06:55 PM	#2
Redeemer Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3	Annoying huh? I have that simlar problem on specific sites. On lycos mail, when I insert my name and password and hit enter, it starts loading my inbox, but the load bar halts about a half an inch in. If I reload twice, I can get into my inbox, but no other way... Netscape 7 and Explorer don't have this problem. I've had this issue since the beta, but back then it happened at alot more sites. Weird

11-14-2003, 11:16 AM	#3
zo Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	yes Began with Panther, a tad annoying, hitting enter again promptly loads the page it couldn't find two seconds ago. Weird indeed.

11-14-2003, 04:01 PM	#6
zed Major Leaguer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 381	DNS issue This might be an issue where the DNS does not return the data in time, then when you hit return again the data is in the local cache and thus returns and off you go.. Cheers, ---Zed

11-21-2003, 04:09 PM	#10
vancenase All Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: OH Posts: 934	i'm going to bump this back into play, because it's really getting on my nerves. if i click on a link, or choose a bookmark, or even type in a new URL into the URL box, the page loading errors within a few seconds (about 7 or so). but, if i put my cursor in the URL box and hit enter ... or hit the refresh button ... the page loads. does not seem to matter whether i am a) using a cable modem behing a firewall router b) at school on a fast network c) using airport or directly connectly using an ethernet cord wow. even ping is bunk (i did this right after one another): Code: [powerdugg:~] user% ping google.com ping: unknown host google.com [powerdugg:~] user% ping google.com PING google.com (216.239.57.99): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=113.209 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=92.769 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=93.833 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=94.247 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=46 time=96.408 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.57.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=46 time=92.998 m ^Z Suspended what is up?!?!

11-14-2003, 03:51 PM	#4
vancenase All Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: OH Posts: 934	i have also noticed this. happens quite frequently ... especially when i choose a bookmark. (running panther, 10.3.1, safari v100)

11-14-2003, 03:57 PM	#5
ulrichm All Star Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 741	I use Mozilla Firebird, which does not suffer from this problem and runs much faster as well as having a better cache control.

11-14-2003, 07:04 PM	#7
houchin Major Leaguer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Northern Virginai Posts: 294	Are any of you running with something like Authoxy or Squid or Privoxy as a local proxy server? If so, and you've set your proxies to "localhost" in network preferences, change it to "127.0.0.1" Panther appears to have a problem talking to "localhost" but 127.0.0.1 works just fine.

11-15-2003, 05:15 PM	#8
capsul Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: tokyo, japan Posts: 20	nope - i have absolutely no mods on anything now. box-fresh install of panther. oh i did install 10.3.1 and the two security updates..

11-15-2003, 05:23 PM	#9
vancenase All Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: OH Posts: 934	--> same here

11-21-2003, 04:37 PM	#11
vancenase All Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: OH Posts: 934	ok, even when i start iChat to log into AIM ... it fails on the first try, and i have to pull down 'available' to connect. anyone know what could be going on?

11-21-2003, 04:44 PM	#12
hayne Site Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 32,473	I think 'zed' was correct when he (above) ascribed this problem to DNS. You say that ping is having a problem but you demonstate this by pinging a hostname. Instead, try pinging an IP address. E.g. for google.com: ping 216.239.57.99 I think you will find that pinging by IP address will work fine as will accessing web pages by IP address, etc. What is going wrong is the lookup of the IP address from the name - that is waht DNS does. A useful tool for diagnosing DNS problems is 'dnstracer'. Search and you will find a macosxhints "hint" article about it. It is a command-line utility and is available via Fink.

11-24-2003, 06:17 PM	#13
vancenase All Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: OH Posts: 934	so i installed that program, and it pretty much verified that: it seems to be able to ping IP addresses right on the money on the first time ... but it takes 2+ (usually 2) times to recognize domains/hostnames. here is another odd observation: Camino (the web browser) does not really have this problem -- yes, it takes a bit longer to get to the website ... but it doesn't give me an error about loading the page ... this is frustrating! should i try another router?

11-24-2003, 06:21 PM	#14
vancenase All Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: OH Posts: 934	also, i found a weird entry in my /etc/hosts file, but taking it out only helped a bit (it seemed to help at first, but the problem appeared within a few minutes) (see the last line) Code: # Host Database # # localhost is used to configure the loopback interface # when the system is booting. Do not change this entry. ## 127.0.0.1 localhost 255.255.255.255 broadcasthost ::1 localhost

11-24-2003, 10:05 PM	#15
stetner MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,108	Those are normal enries. If by 'a weird one' you mean ::1 localhost That is just the IPv6 localhost address. __________________ Douglas G. Stetner UNIX Live Free Or Die

11-25-2003, 02:40 PM	#16
agentx Hall of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 4,123	I have been havin same problems....on two machines....it really feels like a dns issue....lookupd or something apple have still not sorted....since 10.2.2 etc.....

11-25-2003, 02:51 PM	#17
vancenase All Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: OH Posts: 934	do you have cable (or dsl)? i think i'm having cable provider issues (no problems at work). see my post here: http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...threadid=17874 i can't rule out my router though ...

11-07-2004, 10:33 PM	#18
dcoughli Prospect Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	Me too! I'm having the same problems. Has anyone come up with a solution to this? I am on a DSL line wirelessly using an Airport Express as a router. However, I can't believe that it's a connection problem as my other computers are fine. It has to be an issue with resolving the DNS. But why did it magically start happening now? Any help would be much appreciated. ~Dan http://www.pbase.com/efatapo

11-07-2004, 11:42 PM	#19
MBHockey MVP Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Posts: 2,211	i have to experience this issue with the version of Safari [1.2.4 (v125.11)] that came with 10.3.6

11-09-2004, 12:04 PM	#20
walchan99 All Star Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 542	Yep, the 10.3.6 update did this to me, and it isn't going away. __________________ •iMac•20"•2.4GHz C2D•4GB•10.8.5 •MacBook Pro 15" 2.4 GHz 10.6.8 •AluBook 15" 1.25 GHz 10.5.8 •Wireless: Time Capsule 1GB/AEBS/AEx •iPhone5 6.12 •iPad2 6.12 •Apple TV 3G 6.1