Panther forgot my Trained mail rules?

skarka · 10-26-2003, 01:22 PM

Greetings,
Panther seems great, but after the upgrade, I am now back to getting 100 very obvious spam messages in my inbox. "Junk" is configured and my original rules remain.

I recall there is a file where the "learned" junk mail info is stored. I'd like to copy it over from my backup.

Does anyone know where this file is? I did not see anything obvious in Lib/mail.

Thank you all.

yellow · 10-26-2003, 02:18 PM

I too have to register my annoyance with the way they filter Junk mail in Mail.app now.

jhansen · 10-26-2003, 02:43 PM

Skarka's note brings up - indirectly - an issue I've been wondering about. I've noticed that my office machine is much more effective than the one at home in filtering spam - presumably because the office Mail app has had a lot more "experience" in the bayesian filtering of my email. Both machines, of course, are running OS X (10.2.8). So, the question is: Where is all this "experience" held? Is there, as I assume, a file somewhere I could copy from one machine to the other to bring the stupider of the two up to speed?

Thanks

E5o · 10-26-2003, 02:45 PM

Grr - still wainting for my copy of Panther!!

Well, enough of me..

The file your are looking for is probably "LSMMap" in ~/Library/Mail/

-peace

E5o

AKcrab · 10-26-2003, 06:18 PM

Why not just turn training back on for a while, and see if it gets even smarter than before? Improved junk filtering was a bullet item on the panther upgrade.

skarka · 10-26-2003, 11:46 PM

I'd rather not start all over again.

yellow · 10-27-2003, 07:18 AM

I was so frustrated that I turned on the training on Friday night, and I must say that I don't think it's working. In Jaguar's version, it would at least attempt to make junkmail on it's own in training. I've gotten about 100 spams since I turned training on and it's not marked a single on it's own.

NeXTLoop · 10-27-2003, 09:28 AM

My problem is that Mail is completely ignoring spam. It's not flagging anything. You'd think I didn't even have a program with junk mail filtering. So have had issues with this because of rules they had created manually to help filter junk. But I don't have any of those. I've just been using Mail's normal junk capabilities.

I've even gone to the point of completely resetting Mail's junk mode. Since then, its managed to flag all of...... ONE JUNK EMAIL.

At this point, I'm stumped.

yellow · 10-27-2003, 09:31 AM

I'm in the same boat. All of the bayesian training I've done over the last year seems to have been forgotten.

NeXTLoop · 10-27-2003, 10:34 AM

Because of the problem I experienced with Mail in Jag, I've taken to using Mail and Eudora both. I have Mail set to leave my mail on the server for a week, and then I fire up Eudora every now and then so that I have my mail downloaded and archived in another program in case Mail's bugs ever caused data loss.

That being said, I hadn't fired up Eudora in almost a week. When I did just a few minutes ago under Panther, it download all that built-up email and filtered all the spam 100% correctly. Not one single missed email. Not one single false-positive.

bassi · 10-27-2003, 10:41 AM

From this hint and what E5o said, LSMMap is the key. You have to rebuild your mailboxes as well.

As an interesting exercise, you can access the LSM* file in terminal, go to your mail folder and type:

Code:

strings LSMMap | more

My old LSMMap file is 1.2 MB loaded with phrases but scores for the bayesian analysis aren't visible.

yellow · 10-27-2003, 09:49 PM

Well I read some other forums, in which there was a suggestion that the Jaguar Mail .plist and the Panther Mail .plist were different and those of us who upgraded, rather then archive/clean installed were caught in a crossfire.
It was suggested that quitting mail, removing the com.apple.mail.plist and reopening mail to reenter your info would fix your troubles. Supposedly all your mails etc would still be there. For me this didn't work. Before I get into what DID work, I want to test and see if the spam filtering is functioning properly now or not.

shanebryant · 05-19-2004, 06:53 PM

Can someone remind me how you turn the "training mode" back on? I don't see that option anywheres...

pink · 05-21-2004, 02:42 AM

Mail preferences -> Junk Mail;
There is a button saying "Leave it in my Inbox, but indicate it is Junk Mail (Training)"
I had the impression that the filter keeps on learning after you switched to automatic, but I'm not sure about that.

cheers, pink

10-26-2003, 01:22 PM	#1
skarka Prospect Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Novato Posts: 2	Panther forgot my Trained mail rules? Greetings, Panther seems great, but after the upgrade, I am now back to getting 100 very obvious spam messages in my inbox. "Junk" is configured and my original rules remain. I recall there is a file where the "learned" junk mail info is stored. I'd like to copy it over from my backup. Does anyone know where this file is? I did not see anything obvious in Lib/mail. Thank you all.

10-27-2003, 10:41 AM	#11
bassi Major Leaguer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Paris, France Posts: 498	From this hint and what E5o said, LSMMap is the key. You have to rebuild your mailboxes as well. As an interesting exercise, you can access the LSM* file in terminal, go to your mail folder and type: Code: strings LSMMap \| more My old LSMMap file is 1.2 MB loaded with phrases but scores for the bayesian analysis aren't visible.

05-21-2004, 02:42 AM	#14
pink Major Leaguer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 441	Mail preferences -> Junk Mail; There is a button saying "Leave it in my Inbox, but indicate it is Junk Mail (Training)" I had the impression that the filter keeps on learning after you switched to automatic, but I'm not sure about that. cheers, pink __________________ "And what have we got in here ? - Ahh, things.." (Louis (2), inspecting kitchen cupboards.)

10-26-2003, 02:18 PM	#2
yellow Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,677	I too have to register my annoyance with the way they filter Junk mail in Mail.app now.

10-26-2003, 02:43 PM	#3
jhansen Triple-A Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Milan Posts: 52	Skarka's note brings up - indirectly - an issue I've been wondering about. I've noticed that my office machine is much more effective than the one at home in filtering spam - presumably because the office Mail app has had a lot more "experience" in the bayesian filtering of my email. Both machines, of course, are running OS X (10.2.8). So, the question is: Where is all this "experience" held? Is there, as I assume, a file somewhere I could copy from one machine to the other to bring the stupider of the two up to speed? Thanks

10-26-2003, 02:45 PM	#4
E5o Prospect Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 20	Grr - still wainting for my copy of Panther!! Well, enough of me.. The file your are looking for is probably "LSMMap" in ~/Library/Mail/ -peace E5o

10-26-2003, 06:18 PM	#5
AKcrab MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Wasilla, AK Posts: 1,043	Why not just turn training back on for a while, and see if it gets even smarter than before? Improved junk filtering was a bullet item on the panther upgrade.

10-26-2003, 11:46 PM	#6
skarka Prospect Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Novato Posts: 2	I'd rather not start all over again.

10-27-2003, 07:18 AM	#7
yellow Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,677	I was so frustrated that I turned on the training on Friday night, and I must say that I don't think it's working. In Jaguar's version, it would at least attempt to make junkmail on it's own in training. I've gotten about 100 spams since I turned training on and it's not marked a single on it's own.

10-27-2003, 09:28 AM	#8
NeXTLoop Triple-A Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 68	My problem is that Mail is completely ignoring spam. It's not flagging anything. You'd think I didn't even have a program with junk mail filtering. So have had issues with this because of rules they had created manually to help filter junk. But I don't have any of those. I've just been using Mail's normal junk capabilities. I've even gone to the point of completely resetting Mail's junk mode. Since then, its managed to flag all of...... ONE JUNK EMAIL. At this point, I'm stumped.

10-27-2003, 09:31 AM	#9
yellow Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,677	I'm in the same boat. All of the bayesian training I've done over the last year seems to have been forgotten.

10-27-2003, 10:34 AM	#10
NeXTLoop Triple-A Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 68	Because of the problem I experienced with Mail in Jag, I've taken to using Mail and Eudora both. I have Mail set to leave my mail on the server for a week, and then I fire up Eudora every now and then so that I have my mail downloaded and archived in another program in case Mail's bugs ever caused data loss. That being said, I hadn't fired up Eudora in almost a week. When I did just a few minutes ago under Panther, it download all that built-up email and filtered all the spam 100% correctly. Not one single missed email. Not one single false-positive.

10-27-2003, 09:49 PM	#12
yellow Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,677	Well I read some other forums, in which there was a suggestion that the Jaguar Mail .plist and the Panther Mail .plist were different and those of us who upgraded, rather then archive/clean installed were caught in a crossfire. It was suggested that quitting mail, removing the com.apple.mail.plist and reopening mail to reenter your info would fix your troubles. Supposedly all your mails etc would still be there. For me this didn't work. Before I get into what DID work, I want to test and see if the spam filtering is functioning properly now or not.

05-19-2004, 06:53 PM	#13
shanebryant Prospect Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4	Can someone remind me how you turn the "training mode" back on? I don't see that option anywheres...