few questions...

MasterPlan · 06-05-2003, 07:28 AM

I'm getting my 2nd mac soon a lovely little 12.1" ibook, and I'm also buying some goodies to go with it..

basically I'm getting myself a airport card and I was wondering if it does work 100% with my current d-link wireless stuff.

Also I'm wanting to get myself a external caddy thingy so I can put a DVD\CD-RW combo drive in there probably the latest liteon 48x cd-rw and 16x dvd one, will that work?

As well as that... I'd like to get myself a 120gb HD to go with that as well, they will be connecting through firewire.. what would be the best filesystem to format the drive with? fat32?

Thanks

-Rich

yellow · 06-05-2003, 07:53 AM

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	As well as that... I'd like to get myself a 120gb HD to go with that as well, they will be connecting through firewire.. what would be the best filesystem to format the drive with? fat32?

It all depends on what you want to do with it.. regular old mac stuff? HFS+

MasterPlan · 06-05-2003, 07:55 AM

basically I want to be able to read\write data on that drive on both mac and pc... theres a program for pc isnt there that allows you to read\write on the hfs+ format isnt there? I remember PC users having to get it when the ipod first came out...

-Rich

yellow · 06-05-2003, 08:08 AM

Never heard of that.. doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.

Edit: Using this?

http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/

MasterPlan · 06-05-2003, 08:35 AM

quite possibly, but I'd rather have a filesystem that both OS's can read natively as I would be taking this around to with me pretty much everywhere I go so I could plug it into other peoples machines without worrying about installing software for it..

-Rich

zed · 06-05-2003, 08:49 AM

Ok well the Mac will work with your wireless LAN assuming:

1. it's using 802.11b or 802.11g!!
****802.11a is not supported*****

2. If you are using WEP (encryption) then you might have to enter the HEX rather than the phrase as the Mac uses a different coding scheme..You should be able to get the Hex from the router..

Cheers,
--Zed

MasterPlan · 06-05-2003, 08:52 AM

yea, it's 11b, and I dont use wep I live in a very non-tech area so I dont worry about that and just use mac address filtering..

-Rich

zed · 06-05-2003, 08:56 AM

In that case you should have no problems...

I've used my wireless powerbook G4 on all sorts of third party base stations..In fact I've never used it on an Apple one

Cheers,
--Zed

MasterPlan · 06-05-2003, 09:00 AM

you ever used it on Intel 2011 stuff? just thats what we've got here at work, and I've tried using non-intel stuff on it before now and it didnt wanna play ball... we're using 40bit wep, and no mac filtering.. and it just didnt wanna have any of it when I was using my dlink card at work.. I had the suspicion it was because we use channel 11 at work rather than the default (which is 6 for the UK I believe)...

if you could shed any light on this I'd be ever so greatful..

zed · 06-05-2003, 09:04 AM

Try providing the 40 bit HEX string to the client rather than the pass phrase..

Cheers,
--Zed

yellow · 06-05-2003, 09:54 AM

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	MastterPlan wrote: quite possibly, but I'd rather have a filesystem that both OS's can read natively as I would be taking this around to with me pretty much everywhere I go so I could plug it into other peoples machines without worrying about installing software for it..

There is no such animal.. You're better off trying to use a CD-RW.

MasterPlan · 06-05-2003, 10:15 AM

is there not a program\anything that I can get it to read windows file systems in osx? (like ntfs driver for linux...) ?

mervTormel · 06-05-2003, 10:31 AM

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	Originally posted by MasterPlan is there not a program\anything that I can get it to read windows file systems in osx? (like ntfs driver for linux...) ?

yeah, it's called the network. i think you'll get a lot more mileage out of that disk if you make a slice of it shared to the rigs on your network.

MasterPlan · 06-05-2003, 10:58 AM

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...30102054242156 the power of google!

on this very site no less!

yellow · 06-05-2003, 11:41 AM

But can you copy Mac files from the Fat32 drive back to the Mac? I don't think so. Once a Mac file hits the Fat32 formatted drive I would assume that it gets stripped into it's data fork and resource fork. How do you put those back together on the Mac side once separated?

tlarkin · 06-05-2003, 06:46 PM

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	Originally posted by mervTormel yeah, it's called the network. i think you'll get a lot more mileage out of that disk if you make a slice of it shared to the rigs on your network.

Yeah but how would you do that? FAT32 would be the only way I can think of. I have tried to partition a HD 1/2 HFS+ and 1/2 NTFS and my conclusion was that it cannot be done. With FAT32 you could take the HD to each machine and both Mac OS X, and XP would mount it. I guess you could make it a network drive on an linux/unix box. Then use something like samba to share it over the network then all machines (which you allow) on your network could use it for data storage.

tlarkin · 06-05-2003, 06:49 PM

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	Originally posted by yellow But can you copy Mac files from the Fat32 drive back to the Mac? I don't think so. Once a Mac file hits the Fat32 formatted drive I would assume that it gets stripped into it's data fork and resource fork. How do you put those back together on the Mac side once separated?

Yes you can, I download a tons of mac updates on my win98/FAT32 machine becuase its the only machine in my work area that has a cd burner, burn them to cd and take them to the macs. Also since I work in both a windows/mac enviroment I have 2 work stations one PC, and one G4. They are networked and depending on what machine I am on I will push/pull files over the network. I have tons of firmware updates on my PC since it has my huge data storage drive on it. I constantly copy the firmware updates from my pc via network, or CDR, and it works fine.

hschickel · 06-05-2003, 07:42 PM

If I were you I would strongly consider the 12"PBAl. I've used both and the PB is well worth the extra couple of bucks (especially since yesterday's price drop.)

Also - based on the recent price drop I would guess an nice update is in the wings in the very near future.

The rev 1 is a terrific machine and I suspect that the rev2 will be fantastic.

Hugh

gsparks · 06-09-2003, 02:00 AM

OK... if you share a FAT32 formatted PC Firewire drive that's connected to a PC, it will mount and read/write just fine from OSX.

However, if you try to plug that hard drive directly into the Mac, without the PC, the drive will not mount under OSX. It will, however, mount with OS9.2.

What gives?

tlarkin · 06-11-2003, 12:11 PM

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	Originally posted by gsparks OK... if you share a FAT32 formatted PC Firewire drive that's connected to a PC, it will mount and read/write just fine from OSX. However, if you try to plug that hard drive directly into the Mac, without the PC, the drive will not mount under OSX. It will, however, mount with OS9.2. What gives?

Dunno, My 40 gig IDE in a FW enclosure works flawlessly, and its partitioned in FAT32. It will mount when I directly plug it into the G4, or the XP box. Are you 100% sure the drive is formatted in FAT32? Try updating your FW drivers off of apples website, try updating them from the HD's website. view your system log to see if anything fishy happening, copy/paste any errors its displaying.

Code:

tail -100 /var/log/system.log | more

Let us know what you find

06-05-2003, 07:28 AM	#1
MasterPlan Prospect Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 10	few questions... I'm getting my 2nd mac soon a lovely little 12.1" ibook, and I'm also buying some goodies to go with it.. basically I'm getting myself a airport card and I was wondering if it does work 100% with my current d-link wireless stuff. Also I'm wanting to get myself a external caddy thingy so I can put a DVD\CD-RW combo drive in there probably the latest liteon 48x cd-rw and 16x dvd one, will that work? As well as that... I'd like to get myself a 120gb HD to go with that as well, they will be connecting through firewire.. what would be the best filesystem to format the drive with? fat32? Thanks -Rich

06-05-2003, 08:49 AM	#6
zed Major Leaguer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 381	Wireless!! Ok well the Mac will work with your wireless LAN assuming: 1. it's using 802.11b or 802.11g!! **802.11a is not supported*** 2. If you are using WEP (encryption) then you might have to enter the HEX rather than the phrase as the Mac uses a different coding scheme..You should be able to get the Hex from the router.. Cheers, --Zed

06-05-2003, 08:52 AM	#7
MasterPlan Prospect Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 10	yea, it's 11b, and I dont use wep I live in a very non-tech area so I dont worry about that and just use mac address filtering.. -Rich __________________ I used to be so big and strong, I used to know my right from wrong, I used to never be afraid, I used to be somebody ... rich@weapon-x.org.uk

06-05-2003, 09:00 AM	#9
MasterPlan Prospect Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 10	you ever used it on Intel 2011 stuff? just thats what we've got here at work, and I've tried using non-intel stuff on it before now and it didnt wanna play ball... we're using 40bit wep, and no mac filtering.. and it just didnt wanna have any of it when I was using my dlink card at work.. I had the suspicion it was because we use channel 11 at work rather than the default (which is 6 for the UK I believe)... if you could shed any light on this I'd be ever so greatful.. __________________ I used to be so big and strong, I used to know my right from wrong, I used to never be afraid, I used to be somebody ... rich@weapon-x.org.uk

06-05-2003, 10:15 AM	#12
MasterPlan Prospect Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 10	is there not a program\anything that I can get it to read windows file systems in osx? (like ntfs driver for linux...) ? __________________ I used to be so big and strong, I used to know my right from wrong, I used to never be afraid, I used to be somebody ... rich@weapon-x.org.uk

06-05-2003, 07:55 AM	#3
MasterPlan Prospect Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 10	basically I want to be able to read\write data on that drive on both mac and pc... theres a program for pc isnt there that allows you to read\write on the hfs+ format isnt there? I remember PC users having to get it when the ipod first came out... -Rich

06-05-2003, 08:08 AM	#4
yellow Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,677	Never heard of that.. doesn't mean it doesn't exist though. Edit: Using this? http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/

06-05-2003, 08:35 AM	#5
MasterPlan Prospect Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 10	quite possibly, but I'd rather have a filesystem that both OS's can read natively as I would be taking this around to with me pretty much everywhere I go so I could plug it into other peoples machines without worrying about installing software for it.. -Rich

06-05-2003, 08:56 AM	#8
zed Major Leaguer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 381	In that case you should have no problems... I've used my wireless powerbook G4 on all sorts of third party base stations..In fact I've never used it on an Apple one Cheers, --Zed

06-05-2003, 09:04 AM	#10
zed Major Leaguer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 381	Try providing the 40 bit HEX string to the client rather than the pass phrase.. Cheers, --Zed

06-05-2003, 10:58 AM	#14
MasterPlan Prospect Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 10	http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...30102054242156 the power of google! on this very site no less! __________________ I used to be so big and strong, I used to know my right from wrong, I used to never be afraid, I used to be somebody ... rich@weapon-x.org.uk

06-05-2003, 11:41 AM	#15
yellow Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,677	But can you copy Mac files from the Fat32 drive back to the Mac? I don't think so. Once a Mac file hits the Fat32 formatted drive I would assume that it gets stripped into it's data fork and resource fork. How do you put those back together on the Mac side once separated?

06-05-2003, 07:42 PM	#18
hschickel All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NY, NY Posts: 776	If I were you I would strongly consider the 12"PBAl. I've used both and the PB is well worth the extra couple of bucks (especially since yesterday's price drop.) Also - based on the recent price drop I would guess an nice update is in the wings in the very near future. The rev 1 is a terrific machine and I suspect that the rev2 will be fantastic. Hugh __________________ First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

06-09-2003, 02:00 AM	#19
gsparks Major Leaguer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 461	Back to the Hard Drive OK... if you share a FAT32 formatted PC Firewire drive that's connected to a PC, it will mount and read/write just fine from OSX. However, if you try to plug that hard drive directly into the Mac, without the PC, the drive will not mount under OSX. It will, however, mount with OS9.2. What gives?