Web browser poll: revisiting

Phil St. Romain · 04-16-2003, 04:25 PM

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New versions of most web browsers and the availability of Safari has happened since our last poll. Let's see how things stand at this time. Go back in this forum and check earlier threads for comparison.

xchanyazy · 04-16-2003, 04:44 PM

Definitely Safari for me - its speed is what really made me try it, its recent additions of autofill and tabs are making it be the only browser in my dock. (I also like the ability to open a page in other browsers through the debug menu) (I like spell czech

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I also like OmniWeb and Camino/Navigator/Chimera. If OmniWeb had tabs I'd think it would give Safari a run for its money. If C/N/C was a little faster, it would do the same.

Mozilla and IE are big pieces of crap, as far as I'm concerned. Slow and bloated. As far as sites that only work in IE, well, I don't use them. Not to start another flame thread, but those developers don't deserve support. After v60, my bank site worked in Safari, and I have found a replacement for all others.

AHunter3 · 04-17-2003, 02:08 PM

I'm very happy with iCab for day-to-day use, although it still has some compatibility issues with some sites. (As to whether the problem lies with nonstandard code on those sites or problems with iCab - ??). I still keep Opera, Netscape, Mozilla (XFree86), OmniWeb, Chimera/Camino, and Lynx around though. Now that I do a bit of webbysite authoring for the company, I gotta make sure everything I write works in all the other browsers out there, you know.

gayle28607 · 04-17-2003, 08:33 PM

I love Safari, but it doesn't work with Quicken and a Bank of America online site. The downloaded information won't automatically go into Quicken. I'm still using IE for this, but it is the only time I use it.

AKcrab · 04-17-2003, 10:09 PM

Some banks are not allowing Safari until it is no longer designated a beta...
Enable the debug menu, and try spoofing the server to believe you're IE.

SunByrne · 04-18-2003, 09:38 PM

I mostly use Safari, but for the occasional site that will only work with IE, I still have that installed. I love the feature in the Debug menu that allows you to open the current page in the other browser of your choice. Way cool.

Jacques · 04-19-2003, 02:09 AM

Now that Safari officially uses tabs and autofill, I'm solid on it.

There are still kinks, but what browser is perfect?

xchanyazy · 04-19-2003, 02:27 PM

It's not the largest sample, but Damn!

I'd never expect 75% of people to be using Safari. Looks like Mozilla, IE and Omniweb have all lost a lot of support...

From the last poll:

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Internet Explorer    26.80%
Mozilla              30.72%
Netscape             0.98%
Omniweb              22.88%
iCab                 2.61%
Opera                1.63%
Chimera              14.05%
AOL                  0%
Other                0.33%

From the first poll

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Internet Explorer   34.25%
Mozilla             24.59%
Omniweb             29.83%
iCab                4.42%
Opera               3.04%
Chimera             3.87%

Phil St. Romain · 04-20-2003, 01:17 PM

That really is surprising, Greg, but it follows similar results from a poll we took when Safari was first released. I wonder if this trend has been noted on other forums? Anyone know?

I use Safari - Mozilla about half and half, and find there are still times when I have to dip into IE. When I just want to do fast surfing of basic text/image pages, Dillo on X11 is very fast and does a good job.

griffman · 04-20-2003, 03:35 PM

Browser Wars #3 from the main site got nearly 4,600 votes. Even back on February 7th, Safari was already ruling the roost.

I'll run war #4 somtime in May, probably.

-rob.

jamunson · 04-20-2003, 05:42 PM

same as a lot of you,I love Safari and use it most of the time, but there are still sites that I go to that only work with IE
so I use it occasionally for those. I also like that you can open a page thats not working in Safari with IE in debug menu. Hope with the final Safari I can use it on all the sites I go to.

djkowall · 04-20-2003, 05:52 PM

The first beta Apple released would not let me get to my Netscape mail even though the original Safari start page had Netscape info right on it.

Since v73 I can get to Netscape mail and Excite mail and haven't had any problems with any page I've gone to. I don't surf a lot so that's probably why I haven't had to switch back to IE since the update.

I fully intend to stay with Safari now.

Donna

Thrilled With iMac!

hombre · 04-21-2003, 08:14 PM

I switched my default browser from OmniWeb to Safari shortly after it came out, largely because of its speed, but also, ironically, because of the "Open Page With" item in the Debug menu. Safari has many shortcomings (some of which are new in the most recent beta) and I probably spend a third to a half of my browsing time in other browsers.

Craig R. Arko · 04-27-2003, 10:47 AM

Well, after having Safari v.73 decide to spontaneously delete all its bookmarks this morning I've decided to make OmniWeb (4.5 sp15) my default browser again.

04-16-2003, 04:25 PM	#1
Phil St. Romain Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 2,350	Web browser poll: revisiting YOU DO NOT NEED TO POST A COMMENT TO VOTE. ------- New versions of most web browsers and the availability of Safari has happened since our last poll. Let's see how things stand at this time. Go back in this forum and check earlier threads for comparison.

04-16-2003, 04:44 PM	#2
xchanyazy All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dexter, MI, USA Posts: 704	Definitely Safari for me - its speed is what really made me try it, its recent additions of autofill and tabs are making it be the only browser in my dock. (I also like the ability to open a page in other browsers through the debug menu) (I like spell czech ) I also like OmniWeb and Camino/Navigator/Chimera. If OmniWeb had tabs I'd think it would give Safari a run for its money. If C/N/C was a little faster, it would do the same. Mozilla and IE are big pieces of crap, as far as I'm concerned. Slow and bloated. As far as sites that only work in IE, well, I don't use them. Not to start another flame thread, but those developers don't deserve support. After v60, my bank site worked in Safari, and I have found a replacement for all others. __________________ - Greg Happy user of OS X since the Public Beta. Help Team Mac OS X cure cancer, Alzheimer's, ALS, Parkinson's, and more!

04-19-2003, 02:27 PM	#8
xchanyazy All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dexter, MI, USA Posts: 704	It's not the largest sample, but Damn! I'd never expect 75% of people to be using Safari. Looks like Mozilla, IE and Omniweb have all lost a lot of support... From the last poll: Code: Internet Explorer 26.80% Mozilla 30.72% Netscape 0.98% Omniweb 22.88% iCab 2.61% Opera 1.63% Chimera 14.05% AOL 0% Other 0.33% From the first poll Code: Internet Explorer 34.25% Mozilla 24.59% Omniweb 29.83% iCab 4.42% Opera 3.04% Chimera 3.87% __________________ - Greg Happy user of OS X since the Public Beta. Help Team Mac OS X cure cancer, Alzheimer's, ALS, Parkinson's, and more! Last edited by xchanyazy; 04-19-2003 at 02:30 PM.

04-20-2003, 05:42 PM	#11
jamunson Prospect Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 16	same as a lot of you,I love Safari and use it most of the time, but there are still sites that I go to that only work with IE so I use it occasionally for those. I also like that you can open a page thats not working in Safari with IE in debug menu. Hope with the final Safari I can use it on all the sites I go to. __________________ jamunson

04-17-2003, 02:08 PM	#3
AHunter3 Hall of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 3,032	I'm very happy with iCab for day-to-day use, although it still has some compatibility issues with some sites. (As to whether the problem lies with nonstandard code on those sites or problems with iCab - ??). I still keep Opera, Netscape, Mozilla (XFree86), OmniWeb, Chimera/Camino, and Lynx around though. Now that I do a bit of webbysite authoring for the company, I gotta make sure everything I write works in all the other browsers out there, you know.

04-17-2003, 08:33 PM	#4
gayle28607 Prospect Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 45	Safari and bank sites I love Safari, but it doesn't work with Quicken and a Bank of America online site. The downloaded information won't automatically go into Quicken. I'm still using IE for this, but it is the only time I use it. __________________ gayle28607 MacBook Pro 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 160 GB HD, 3 GB SDRAM Leopard 10.5.6

04-17-2003, 10:09 PM	#5
AKcrab MVP Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Wasilla, AK Posts: 1,043	Some banks are not allowing Safari until it is no longer designated a beta... Enable the debug menu, and try spoofing the server to believe you're IE.

04-18-2003, 09:38 PM	#6
SunByrne Prospect Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Houston, TX area Posts: 37	I mostly use Safari, but for the occasional site that will only work with IE, I still have that installed. I love the feature in the Debug menu that allows you to open the current page in the other browser of your choice. Way cool.

04-19-2003, 02:09 AM	#7
Jacques All Star Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 972	Now that Safari officially uses tabs and autofill, I'm solid on it. There are still kinks, but what browser is perfect?

04-20-2003, 01:17 PM	#9
Phil St. Romain Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 2,350	That really is surprising, Greg, but it follows similar results from a poll we took when Safari was first released. I wonder if this trend has been noted on other forums? Anyone know? I use Safari - Mozilla about half and half, and find there are still times when I have to dip into IE. When I just want to do fast surfing of basic text/image pages, Dillo on X11 is very fast and does a good job.

04-20-2003, 03:35 PM	#10
griffman MVP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,472	Browser Wars #3 from the main site got nearly 4,600 votes. Even back on February 7th, Safari was already ruling the roost. I'll run war #4 somtime in May, probably. -rob.

04-20-2003, 05:52 PM	#12
djkowall Triple-A Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 42:03:44N 87:55:54W Posts: 74	The first beta Apple released would not let me get to my Netscape mail even though the original Safari start page had Netscape info right on it. Since v73 I can get to Netscape mail and Excite mail and haven't had any problems with any page I've gone to. I don't surf a lot so that's probably why I haven't had to switch back to IE since the update. I fully intend to stay with Safari now. Donna Thrilled With iMac!

04-21-2003, 08:14 PM	#13
hombre Triple-A Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 81	I switched my default browser from OmniWeb to Safari shortly after it came out, largely because of its speed, but also, ironically, because of the "Open Page With" item in the Debug menu. Safari has many shortcomings (some of which are new in the most recent beta) and I probably spend a third to a half of my browsing time in other browsers.

04-27-2003, 10:47 AM	#14
Craig R. Arko Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,988	Well, after having Safari v.73 decide to spontaneously delete all its bookmarks this morning I've decided to make OmniWeb (4.5 sp15) my default browser again.