Help with Mac Mail (moved from Eudora)

disfasia · 02-11-2010, 07:06 PM

I finally got rid of Eudora and have questions about Mac Mail:

1. How do I manage the mailboxes--for instance, I want to read and delete but that putting delete moves it to a folder I have created called "read mail" (as in past participle, mail that I have read that I do not wish to dump)

2. imap vs pop? does this help with the creation of mailboxes?

Thanks in advance!

cwtnospam · 02-11-2010, 07:40 PM

1. Why not just create a couple of Smart mailboxes? See pics.

2. Huh?

disfasia · 02-11-2010, 07:44 PM

Yes, I was trying this,...but how do I set it up that my mail will automatically go to the Unread box when I hit delete on a message? And not go to the trash? Or must I drag it?

Thanks

cwtnospam · 02-11-2010, 07:48 PM

You don't hit delete unless you want to send it to the trash. If you set up the two smart mailboxes, then when you select (read) a message in the unread mailbox it will automatically go to the read mailbox. To move one to the Unread smart mailbox, mark it as unread, either in the smart mailbox "Read" or in the account's main inbox.

disfasia · 02-11-2010, 07:50 PM

How do I select "read"--I have been trying to figure this out. I know it might seem obvious to those who know mail, but it is not so obvioius to me

Also, I was hoping that Mail offered a macro for the delete key...

Thanks again.

cwtnospam · 02-11-2010, 07:52 PM

You're not making sense. Have you looked at Smart mailboxes or the images I posted? Why would you need a macro for the delete key? It works as it should.

disfasia · 02-11-2010, 07:56 PM

Yes, I did. Sorry, I am laughing because I hear your frustration and the funny thing I know a lot about computers. But I have this program in French and there is a problem with the way Mail translated things here. They use the term "BAL" which I have absolutely no idea what it is...

I have done what you said/showed...and the fact is that this BAL thing is part of it... I speak French and have no clue what it is.

disfasia · 02-11-2010, 07:59 PM

And I figured it out ...

For the READ box I had to put

"le message ne se trouve pas dans le BAL" and Inbox

then for the UNREAD box:

Le message se trouve dans le BAL and pull down the Read box

So in French the syntax is the opposite (via language).

Thanks so much!

disfasia · 02-11-2010, 08:01 PM

Ok, now I have the boxes set up but the mail stays my mail servers' mailboxes adn doesn't come to the UNREAD or READ boxes?

cwtnospam · 02-11-2010, 08:38 PM

Does it come to the inbox? The smart mailboxes work on the inbox messages.

disfasia · 02-11-2010, 11:14 PM

Yes it comes to the inboxes. But I have two different email mail accounts...so it remains in the email accounts and not the read - unread boxes.

??

disfasia · 02-11-2010, 11:51 PM

Ok, I had one box incorreclty checked. All is well.

Thanks for your help!

disfasia · 02-12-2010, 09:47 AM

I have started to use this configuration and my messages that I have read are not kept in the READ box. They are just gone. I have all the mail that I imported from Eudora but I have tested with new mail and there is no mail in the software saved. Nothing in the garbage--nothing!

Please help.

cwtnospam · 02-12-2010, 10:20 AM

There really isn't a Read box. The messages it contains are really just links to the messages it finds that meet its criteria. If it isn't finding your read messages, then it's because you've either removed them from your inbox or you've set the wrong criteria. The criteria for the Read smart mailbox is that the message is not in the Unread smart mailbox, which first must find only unread messages.

NovaScotian · 02-12-2010, 11:02 AM

If you're interested in maintaining a Eudora-like look and feel to Mac Mail then create one smart mailbox (mine is called "To Read") with the following rule:
"Message is unread" and below that, "Message is in Mailbox Inbox". That way, no matter how many accounts you have in your inbox, the mail you haven't read will appear in the smart folder.

I'm not happy with the IMAP plan my ISP offers, so I use POP for my accounts.
I've created a set of "dumb" folders in the "On my Mac" section of the left hand column of Mail and I've added a bunch of filters in my Mail Preferences that target those folders; e.g., I have a folder called NetTalk with this rule:

"if any of the following conditions are met:
To or From or CC or Bcc Contains NetTalk
Perform the following actions:
Move Message to mailbox NetTalk"

That sorts my mail as it was sorted in Eudora before I switched. That way, I have all my untrashed emails on my own machine and POP deletes them from the server. The downside of that, of course, is that I can only reread them on my own machine and so have to use screen sharing to access them from away.

disfasia · 02-12-2010, 01:55 PM

Thanks so much! Actually that was the problem--the read box has to have the "inbox" and not the "unread" box checked. That makes all the difference.

Thanks again!

02-11-2010, 07:06 PM	#1
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	Help with Mac Mail (moved from Eudora) I finally got rid of Eudora and have questions about Mac Mail: 1. How do I manage the mailboxes--for instance, I want to read and delete but that putting delete moves it to a folder I have created called "read mail" (as in past participle, mail that I have read that I do not wish to dump) 2. imap vs pop? does this help with the creation of mailboxes? Thanks in advance!

02-11-2010, 07:40 PM	#2
cwtnospam League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,475	1. Why not just create a couple of Smart mailboxes? See pics. 2. Huh? Attached Thumbnails

02-12-2010, 09:47 AM	#13
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	I have started to use this configuration and my messages that I have read are not kept in the READ box. They are just gone. I have all the mail that I imported from Eudora but I have tested with new mail and there is no mail in the software saved. Nothing in the garbage--nothing! Please help. Last edited by disfasia; 02-12-2010 at 09:52 AM.

02-12-2010, 11:02 AM	#15
NovaScotian Hall of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 4,948	If you're interested in maintaining a Eudora-like look and feel to Mac Mail then create one smart mailbox (mine is called "To Read") with the following rule: "Message is unread" and below that, "Message is in Mailbox Inbox". That way, no matter how many accounts you have in your inbox, the mail you haven't read will appear in the smart folder. I'm not happy with the IMAP plan my ISP offers, so I use POP for my accounts. I've created a set of "dumb" folders in the "On my Mac" section of the left hand column of Mail and I've added a bunch of filters in my Mail Preferences that target those folders; e.g., I have a folder called NetTalk with this rule: "if any of the following conditions are met: To or From or CC or Bcc Contains NetTalk Perform the following actions: Move Message to mailbox NetTalk" That sorts my mail as it was sorted in Eudora before I switched. That way, I have all my untrashed emails on my own machine and POP deletes them from the server. The downside of that, of course, is that I can only reread them on my own machine and so have to use screen sharing to access them from away. __________________ 17" MBP, OS X 10.8.3; 27" iMac, OS X 10.8.3

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02-11-2010, 07:44 PM	#3
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	Yes, I was trying this,...but how do I set it up that my mail will automatically go to the Unread box when I hit delete on a message? And not go to the trash? Or must I drag it? Thanks

02-11-2010, 07:48 PM	#4
cwtnospam League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,475	You don't hit delete unless you want to send it to the trash. If you set up the two smart mailboxes, then when you select (read) a message in the unread mailbox it will automatically go to the read mailbox. To move one to the Unread smart mailbox, mark it as unread, either in the smart mailbox "Read" or in the account's main inbox.

02-11-2010, 07:50 PM	#5
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	How do I select "read"--I have been trying to figure this out. I know it might seem obvious to those who know mail, but it is not so obvioius to me Also, I was hoping that Mail offered a macro for the delete key... Thanks again.

02-11-2010, 07:52 PM	#6
cwtnospam League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,475	You're not making sense. Have you looked at Smart mailboxes or the images I posted? Why would you need a macro for the delete key? It works as it should.

02-11-2010, 07:56 PM	#7
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	Yes, I did. Sorry, I am laughing because I hear your frustration and the funny thing I know a lot about computers. But I have this program in French and there is a problem with the way Mail translated things here. They use the term "BAL" which I have absolutely no idea what it is... I have done what you said/showed...and the fact is that this BAL thing is part of it... I speak French and have no clue what it is.

02-11-2010, 07:59 PM	#8
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	And I figured it out ... For the READ box I had to put "le message ne se trouve pas dans le BAL" and Inbox then for the UNREAD box: Le message se trouve dans le BAL and pull down the Read box So in French the syntax is the opposite (via language). Thanks so much!

02-11-2010, 08:01 PM	#9
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	Ok, now I have the boxes set up but the mail stays my mail servers' mailboxes adn doesn't come to the UNREAD or READ boxes?

02-11-2010, 08:38 PM	#10
cwtnospam League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,475	Does it come to the inbox? The smart mailboxes work on the inbox messages.

02-11-2010, 11:14 PM	#11
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	Yes it comes to the inboxes. But I have two different email mail accounts...so it remains in the email accounts and not the read - unread boxes. ??

02-11-2010, 11:51 PM	#12
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	Ok, I had one box incorreclty checked. All is well. Thanks for your help!

02-12-2010, 10:20 AM	#14
cwtnospam League Commissioner Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,475	There really isn't a Read box. The messages it contains are really just links to the messages it finds that meet its criteria. If it isn't finding your read messages, then it's because you've either removed them from your inbox or you've set the wrong criteria. The criteria for the Read smart mailbox is that the message is not in the Unread smart mailbox, which first must find only unread messages.

02-12-2010, 01:55 PM	#16
disfasia Prospect Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	Thanks so much! Actually that was the problem--the read box has to have the "inbox" and not the "unread" box checked. That makes all the difference. Thanks again!