Which explains why the economy is in the toilet, corporations run the government, and the NRA has people thinking that it's protecting their rights to bear arms when it's really protecting gun maker profits. Oh, it also sheds some light on the violence in Mexico. They've got to get their guns somewhere!

That is Mexico's problem. Half of their LEOs are corrupted, like 25 families rule all the wealth in Mexico, all politicians are corrupted more so than here, and their drug cartels are ex military trained by our military. They have full auto weapons, grenades, RPGs, body armor etc. They are trained and making money and half of the police are on the same pay roll.

The best thing the USA could do is to decriminalize drugs here and make it so criminals do not profit as well off of them.

Or, the NRA could agree to propper regulation of gun sales, even between private citizens. But closing such a large loophole would cut into profits.

There is no gun show loop hole, everyone I buy from I get a background check ran in my name. If you sell a gun in a private sale and it gets traced back to you, don't think they won't come after you at all.

There is no such thing as a loop hole. Less than 1% of legally bought guns are used in crimes.

Meanwhile, on the "defending my castle" front... ;)

Really? You could have fooled the ATF:
Hmmm, long term planning. Smarter than most corporate CEOs!

Those aren't legal gun sales, those are illegal gun sales. 1% of guns used in crime are from legal gun sales.

I think you're thinking of US crime. Something like 6,000 or more Mexicans were killed last year by the drug cartels alone. That violence is just beginning to spill over into the US. We're very likely to catch up. Here, the guns don't need to be smuggled.

No I am saying that the legal gun owners commit less than 1% of gun crimes. It is the illegal gun sales and the criminals that commit the crimes. If you are a FFL that ATF has the right to enter your business at any time and search your records. This keeps down on what they call straw gun sales and stuff like that.

All those guns used in crimes are sold illegally, there is no loop hole in gun sales. You either purchase it legally or you don't.

The loophole is that the gun is sold legally by the dealer to some one who then resells it illegally. The dealers and gunmakers get rich doing this. They can't not know it's happening.

And in the meantime, House Bill 1284 has been introduced.... The Open Carry Law.... no permit required.

"5-73-502. Open carry
Except for those places provided in § 5-73-306, a person who may
lawfully possess a handgun may publicly carry in plain sight a handgun on his
or her person or in his or her vehicle for the purpose of self-defense
regardless of any law to the contrary prohibiting the carrying of a handgun."

Don't think this will go anywhere, but who knows.

Three thoughts on the chimp:

1. Imposing peace on those who are really PO'd goes against nature.

2. Castle, cage.... pretty much the same thing to us married folk.

3. We should ban rocks.:)

That is not a loop hole, they aren't getting around any crimes. That is an illegal sale. Anyone can always legally buy a gun and then go and sell it illegally, there is no way to regulate that. It is the same thing as people getting prescription drugs and then selling them by the pill. There is no way to ever stop or even regulate those types of illegal transactions.

You got a link for this?

Sure there is! If you want to buy multiple guns, you should be required to provide proof that you still own previously purchased guns. It shouldn't be a problem to bring one into the store if you still own it. Own a bunch of guns? No problem. The computer can randomly pick one for you to bring in with you.

Once again, I'm sure the NRA wouldn't like that, as it would threaten gun profits.

No to buy a gun you must pass a background check by the ATF and by the NICS system. Every time you buy. If you sell it illegally on the streets there is no background check, and there is no paper trail.

Which is why they need to check that you still have the gun! With a check like that, you could only sell one gun illegally, then you'd never be able to buy another one legally. Who wants some one who can't keep track of their own gun getting another anyway?

That only creates more and more government and more red tape. It will be inefficient and it will still not stop illegal sales. Also since guns are a state level regulation on sales there is no way to regulate either.

In CA you must go get a permit to buy and turn that permit in. Where I live you don't need anything but to pass the mandatory background check. I can give a dealer cash and take the gun the same day as long as I pass the NICS check.

All people will do is claim to buy guns from a state that has less regulations. For example I own 4 firearms and none are registered in my name. My state does not require it, which is weird since MO is one of the most bureaucratic states I have ever been in. They have forms to fill out just so you can fill out more forms. I don't want to create more government and I don't believe in gun control at all, just reasonable regulations.

...because you say so? Alleged loss of efficiency is really loss of gun industry profits because of increased efficiency at keeping guns from bad guys, where the profits are.
And that's what needs to change. The banking industry isn't the only one that needs more regulation.

Well I am against gun control and I am against the government getting up in my business and personal affairs. Gun laws do not stop crime. Look at the UK and their gun ban, hasn't done them that well.

There are over 20,000 gun laws on the books. 20,000, do you think that there are that many against big business, banks, illegal drugs, or crimes? Why so damn many gun laws?

It's undeniably simple: If you have to show that you still have the guns you've bought or you've legally sold them, then you can't get away with selling them illegally. At least not more than one of them. If you're legitimate, this couldn't be more than a minor inconvenience.
Because the gun lobby fights every single one of them so by the time they're enacted, they're so watered down that they're useless. It's why I can't support the NRA. They've proven that they're not on anyone's side but the gun maker's.