I want to boot up with OS 9 & OS 10
 

I want to be able boot up with OS 9 & OS 10 in my recently acquired
iMac G4/800 17-inch (Flat panel) (M8812LL/A)
where can I get the bootable installation discs?

I have looked there, but a few years ago I bought installation discs from another source, are you aware of any others?

OS 9: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-clas...os-prices.html

Older versions of OS X: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-mac-os-x-prices.html, http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-mac-...er-prices.html

Check Froogle (or whatever the stupid new name Google has changed Froogle to). Just make sure to get the white colored disc with the orange 9 on it, not one of the gray discs marked for a specific computer.

Trevor

I have that OS 9 install disk, but it will not boot up, says something like no OS 9 system folder, or prefs.

and I put the system folder in there from my old machine

Ah, right. For the iMac G4 17" 800 MHz, you need OS 9.2.2 with Mac OS ROM 9.5.1.

Trevor

If I install iWork will that give me the entire iPhoto installation?

I put the system folder from my old machine, it is OS 9.2.2

No. iPhoto is part of iLife, and is not included with iWork.

Trevor

Did you bless it?

Mac OS: Reblessing Old System Folder After Clean Install

Trevor

Rebless, that I have never heard of. I did a copy of my system folder, and transfered it with my flash disc

ok, I'll try it

Did blessing your System Folder solve the problem?

Trevor

No it didn't, I can't launch iPhoto to do anything with it

Umm, you seem to changing the problem.
The original problem was getting your Mac to boot in OS 9 and OS X.
Does that work now?

iPhoto is a completely different matter.
What version of iPhoto do you have?
Are you running under OS X? (I don't recall if there was a version of iPhoto that ran under OS 9, but certainly any recent version of iPhoto will only run on OS X.)

Yes, all related. If I can get iphoto to launch, I might be 1/2 way to my goal, and that is to be able to use classic and OS x

You aren't answering the questions that have been asked (see posts #15 & 17).

15- No blessing didn't help
17- I can not boot up OS 9, it says I do not have a system folder.....but I do have one in there.
I have iPhoto installed, it is 7.1.5, and am running on OS X 10.4.11

I need to find & install both OS 9 and OS 10 on my iMac G4/800 Flat panel
 

I need to install both OS 9 and OS 10 on my iMac G4/800 Flat panel, where can I get them, other than eBay?

pfhannan:
As this seems to be the same topic, I have merged your new thread into this existing one. Please don't start new threads when one on the same or similar topic already exists.

You were given a few other (non-eBay) options above.

OK, I'll ask the question -
How does iPhoto 7 affect your need to have Classic (or a bootable OS 9, a different goal, BTW) ? You seem to ask about both, as if they are somehow linked....

Ok, I'll back up and try to explain. I bought an iMac G4/800 flat panel to replace my old imac that runs OS 9.2.2. My Old imac has my web site on it in which I have had on line since 1995, using Adobe ------- which is not supported, and I have about 1500 files in it, and is financially supported by my classmates fron 1955. www.dhsclassof55.com (Photoshop 7 was essential to my web page.)
I am concerned that my old iMac will fail, so I bought this new one, in which I can run my web site in OS 9.2.2, and run OS X too. Now...my main machine is/was a iBook G4 running OSX 10.4.11, and I wanted to upgrade so I bought a MacBook pro. In thinking I was to sell my iBook G4 I started deleting files that I thought were personal in nature. I then migrated all the iBook G4 files into my MacBook pro, and to my suprise, my iPhoto does not work. I had used it daily, it was essential to my work. Now I need iPhoto for my MacBook Pro. and my iMac G4/800 flatscreen. I have tried to purchase a install set on ebay twice and lost out. I need to purchase installation discs at any price, I'll even pay more than I paid for the computer, thats how desperate I am. I also need to be able to get iPhoto to work in my MacBook pro, and am purchasing iWork, or iLife, which ever allowes my to reinstall iPhoto. As it stands not my iMac G4/800 does not boot up in OS9 because it tells me that I do not have a OS9 system in there, but I do have one in there. Looking back, those 28 floppy discs to install OS 6 in my old Classic was so simple... I hope you can make sense out of this, I want to end up with 2 machines, One that has OS 9 & X, the other OS10.5.6 with iPhoto that works.
paul

Does the imac boot to 10.4x? Why not just use the classic support built into 10.4 instead of having it boot up. This is what I had to do with my old G4. It would run classic simulated but would never boot it up for some reason.

Yes it does boot up in 10.4.11, but OS 9 is not installed, and I do not have it to install.

Do you have iLife? If so, reinstall iLife onto the MacBook Pro. Or, alternatively, do you have the original discs that came with the MacBook Pro? I'm not sure, but they may have iLife on them, which will include iPhoto. Boot to your original discs and do a custom install of just iLife (it may be under something like "Extras", or "Additional Software", or some name like that.)

You could also use the utility Pacifist http://www.charlessoft.com/ to extract just iPhoto's installer and install only that from whatever original media you have that contain iPhoto.

If ebay auctions are not going well for you, either search for it on ebay with a "Buy it now" designation, which won't be subject to the chance of losing the auction, or else buy the install set from a third party reseller, such as OWC http://macsales.com , Small Dog http://smalldog.com , or just do a search using Froogle http://froogle.com .

You may need to bless the System Folder.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA21672?viewlocale=en_US
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...ient=firefox-a

Trevor

All you need for classic emulation under 10.4 is that system folder and the proper blessing. It should work. I think you set up classic in the system preferences. Once you get it to work you should be able to install apps by moving them into the new classic environment.

Really though all this for a web site? There are many modern tools that would probably make working with or converting your old site much easier. I would suggest you put more resources into remaking your web site imho.

I do not have a "classic emulation under 10.4 is that system folder", where might I find one?

No, what anika said is that all you need for Classic emulation of OS 9 is
1. the System Folder that you already have installed, and
2. the proper blessing

Classic is OS 9 emulation running inside of OS X, while booted to OS X.

I gave links explaining how to bless the OS 9 System Folder a few posts above.

Trevor

If trevor's System Folder blessing advice doesn't work...

And if my memory serves me correctly...

I had one of these iMacs a few years ago that I bought used which came without the Apple-supplied discs. It wouldn't boot OS 9 (as startup or for Classic mode) even though I'd installed OS 9 using a retail disc. I spoke to an Apple Store Genius who advised me to contact Apple to get the original iMac install discs. I believe the problem was that the last retail version of OS 9 came out before that iMac was released (which Wikipedia confirms) and the iMac install discs had something machine-specific on them which enabled OS 9 and Classic on these machines.

In sum, then, if trevor's advice doesn't work, you may want to contact Apple Support. My understanding is that they can supply these discs and do so for a nominal fee ($10-$20).

I can't install OS 9 on my iMac G4/800 flat panel
 

I can't install OS 9 on my iMac G4/800 flat panel. It is capible of running both OS, but I install OS X, but can't install OS 9, i can't get OS 9 to boot. Help

Potential answers to your question are in this thread:

http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=98093

Yes, my previous thread.....here is a comment from another, can you shed more light on it?

OS 9 cannot boot an 800 MHz G4 iMac made after June 2003. *Those models came with Software Restore discs that included a special version of OS 9 to use with the OS X Classic emulator.

paul

Hello Paul,

You have already been asked not to start new threads when one on the same topic already exists. Please respect this.

I'm not sure where this person gets their information, but nothing changed in June 2003. According to MacTracker and LowEndMac (links below), there are two versions of the iMac G4 15" 800 MHz.

The first (eldest) is officially designated as the "iMac (Flat Panel)", but is more commonly just called the 15" iMac G4 700/800 MHz. It will successfully boot OS 9.2.2 with Mac OS ROM 9.0.1, provided on the original discs. It was sold from January 2002 to February 2003. The 800 MHz model shipped with a "Superdrive" (i.e. a DVD burner.)

The second (slightly newer) is officially designated the iMac 15" (Early 2003) but more commonly given a little more information in the name as the iMac 15" G4/800 MHz (Early 2003) and was sold from February 2003 to September 2003. This model will not boot OS 9, but of course can run Classic Emulation of OS 9 when used with OS X 10.1 through 10.4. Classic does not work on any computer with OS X 10.5.

The slightly newer iMac G4 15" 800 MHz shipped with a combo drive, i.e. one that can read and write CDs and read but not write to DVDs.

Trevor

I have the 17" flat panel is it any different than the 15"?

Yes, it is different. There's only one version of iMac G4 17" 800 MHz, and it will boot OS 9.2.2 with Mac OS ROM 9.5.1 (which was provided on the original discs that came with the computer). It was sold from July 2002 to February 2003.

Trevor

ok, thank you, then that is what I am looking for.

One more thing, on the link you gave me "announced at the Macworld Expo on July 17, 2002, the 17" G4 iMac has a wide aspect ratio "cinema" type screen and displays 1440 by 900 pixels ".....I just looked at my display and do not have that 1440 x 900, I just have 1024 x 786, 800x600 & 640x480, does this mean someone has changed this display??

The iMac G4 800MHz 15" models only go to 1024 x 768. Are you sure that you have a 17" and not a 15"?

Trevor

its a 15". when I bought it they told me it was a 17" and have never questioned it. will it do me any good to bring it to the Apple store??

I have made an appointment for Sunday. In the mean time today my airport failed this morning on my MacBook Pro, so I'm on ethernet now. so I have two reasons to go to the genus bar.

Does your 15" iMac G4 have a Superdrive, or a combo drive?

Trevor

combo Drive...why?

Because that means that it is the newer iMac G4 15", which cannot boot OS 9. You will need to either use Classic, or else get a different computer if you still need OS 9 booting.

See my post #35 above in the thread for the details about the two models of iMac G4 15" 800 MHz.

Trevor

pfhannan, I'm going to note some things here that have already been said both here by Trevor and in the Apple Discussion Forum where you have been also having this conversation. I'm repeating them because it's not clear you're grasping the distinction.

Booting into OS 9 is one thing. Running OS 9 via the Mac OS X Classic emulation is another. As Trevor said, the iMac you have "will not boot OS 9, but of course can run Classic emulation of OS 9 when used with OS X 10.1 through 10.4. Classic does not work on any computer with OS X 10.5."

If all of the necessary components were not installed on the iMac prior to your acquisition of the machine, you will need to purchase the OS X retail discs for either 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 or 10.4 to get your machine configured with both OS X and a usable Classic mode.

It's not clear why you require OS 9 booting, so it's possible your need for OS 9 will work fine in the OS X Classic emulation.

Then I guess I need to buy another, my intention is using OS 9.2.2 for my website www.dhsclassof55.com as I use Adobe pagemill, and is no longer supported. (presently on iMac Dv 500)

As has been pointed out above, it isn't clear why you don't just run your OS 9 software in "Classic" mode under OS X. I would imagine that PageMill would have no problem running under Classic.

I haven't a clue on how to do that. I have spent too much of these nice people's time in trying to help me, I just need to sell it, and buy a machine that has it already functioning in both OS's. my last ditch effort will be sunday, I am bringing it to the apple store.

It has already been mentioned in this very thread. Please take some time to read. I have this same bad habit but usually when someone points it out I get it.

All that didn't work, so I bought a Hard Drive with OS 9.2.2 & OS X 10.4.11 installed. the seller said it works on my machine, but i get that awful ? mark. I have gone back and checked all my HD connections, tried to boot using the Option key, but it just doesn't see it. I also zapped the PRAM. any suggestions?

Is this an internal drive that you added to your Mac?
You need to know a bit more about installing drives (jumpers etc) to get internal drives installed correctly.
Maybe consider putting that drive into a FireWire case and use it as an external drive.

Yes an internal., yes the jumpers are in different places, should I take the jumper off the old, and put it on the new?

I have no knowledge of such hardware things. Maybe someone else will pipe in here.

Don't just pull the jumper and match it - The jumpers are specific to hard drive manufacturer and to the device, there insn't one global setting - old macs didn't like cable select so you'll have to make sure the jumper is on the right set of pins to make the drive master. Some hard drives have labels that mark out where the jumper goes to make it a master - for those that don't you'll find jumper setting info on the hard drive manufacturer's websites.

I'll pull it and play with the jumpers, can't hurt.

You may be playing for a long time - some drives required a pair of jumpers to set them to master.

What's the make and model?

here are some details;
officially designated as the "iMac (Flat Panel)", but is more commonly just called the 15" iMac G4 700/800 MHz. It will successfully boot OS 9.2.2 with Mac OS ROM 9.0.1, provided on the original discs. It was sold from January 2002 to February 2003. The 800 MHz model shipped with a "Superdrive" (i.e. a DVD burner.)

sorry I meant specifically of the harddrive:

http://sfalcon.ntrweb.com/random-shots/drive.jpg
http://sfalcon.ntrweb.com/random-sho...ve-jumpers.jpg

I thought we had determined that yours is the later '2003' model, which cannot boot to OS 9. Is that correct?

The Hard Drive that was in the iMac when I received it was a Western Digital WD400. 40 gb. ( J8 jumper settings) the replacement i want to install is a Maxtor 30gb with an Apple logo, (jumper J50 Master on, Slave off) I hope you can make heads or tails of this.

pfhannan:
Could you please clarify which exact model of Mac you have? (see DeltaMac's question in post #59)

Note that the ability to boot into OS 9 (or not) is a function of which Mac model you have, not which model of hard drive you have. If you have one of the Mac models that dates from after the cutoff of OS 9 booting, it doesn't matter what hard drive you use or what is on that hard drive - you won't be able to boot into OS 9.

Based on the model number pfhannan listed in the first post, this is the iMac in question. This, though, was contradicted by pfhannan in post 41. The way to determine if it's the 15" model or the 17" model by measuring is to measure the screen diagonally.

Assuming it's the 17" model, it can boot into OS 9 or OS X versions 10.1.2-10.4.11. Booting into OS 9 requires the original software that came with the computer because, as pfhannan indirectly noted with the words "it will successfully boot OS 9.2.2 with Mac OS ROM 9.0.1, provided on the original discs." Put another way, these Macs had a special version of the Mac OS ROM file enabling OS 9 booting on these machines.

If the seller of the recently purchased hard drive didn't use the original discs that came with that model iMac, it will not boot OS 9. Reports are that these discs can be acquired for a nominal fee from Apple (as I said in post 31).

If you look at the label on the Maxtor drive it will have a model number and serial number on it - you only need the model number to lookup on maxtor's site as to where the jumpers go for that drive to make it a master.

http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/i...umpers_rev.jpg

Don't worry about the CLJ setting - you don't need it just do the master for the drive model you have.

If you still can't get it to boot into OS9 I highly recommend you consider rebuilding your site in a newer application - website building has come a very long way since the days of adobe pagemill. Grab a copy of ilife '09 and check out iweb - my dad's in his late 70's and is not computer literate but enjoys using iweb to create websites about his audio equipment. Looking through your site, I can see that you've put A LOT of work into it. iweb would give you what you need to build it over easily and still have it looking great. If you've been using iphoto to store your photographs, it's even easier as you can add photos from iphoto to your website right from inside of iweb. Here's an example of a site that I created in an afternoon to keep contractors working on my house honest:
http://keeping-house.ntrweb.com/
Give it a whirl, the iweb application is an enjoyable experience and provides plently of great looking templates to work with - taking a lot of the work out of it! If you get stuck at any point while using iweb, there are plenty of people using it who can help you out.

I have gone into that site suggested, and see no where my model number. The model number on my HD is 33073H3, it is an Apple logo'd 30GB

One of those jumper layouts will look just like your drive (probably a Fireball model), so just match up with that.

I just noticed the Maxtor only has 9 pins, does that tell me its a nondMax Drive?

I don't know, I can't hear your drive. :)

The link that you have been given shows 3 different layouts that have 9 pins.
choose the set that looks like yours.... You will notice that Maxtor uses the first set as master, but not always.
(note- "try the second set" is likely the wrong answer, unless yours will work better with cable select)