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aehurst 10-31-2008 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cwtnospam (Post 500314)
Voter suppression is fraud, and one side is notorious for using this tactic. The other side has more voters, so no need to use it.

Voter fraud is common. Spoke with two people yesterday who have both moved into a new precinct since the last election. But, they intentionally did not change their address on the voter registration rolls.... their kids still go to school in the old district and they want to vote on that ballot for a school board position.

I explained that was voter fraud (can't vote for other people's representatives), but they just really could care less. Both voted on the wrong ballot with no problem.

With early voting, you can vote anywhere (not limited to voting at your designated polling place) and they'll give you the correct ballot based on the address in the voter registration database.

Presumably, if one moved out of the county they could vote in both counties if they wanted to... nobody would ever know the difference since there are separate voter registration rolls.

cwtnospam 10-31-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aehurst (Post 500925)
Voter fraud is common. Spoke with two people yesterday who have both moved into a new precinct since the last election. But, they intentionally did not change their address on the voter registration rolls.... their kids still go to school in the old district and they want to vote on that ballot for a school board position.

That's a minor issue compared to voter suppression. Voting in your 'old' neighborhood isn't an organized effort to affect an entire election.

By the way, if their kids till go to school their, there is a good chance that they can still legally vote there, as long as they don't vote elsewhere. They're probably still considered legal residents in the old neighborhood.

aehurst 10-31-2008 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cwtnospam (Post 500927)
That's a minor issue compared to voter suppression. Voting in your 'old' neighborhood isn't an organized effort to affect an entire election.

Ha! You underestimate the importance of a school board election in Little Rock, Arkansas. Presidential election is small potatoes.

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By the way, if their kids till go to school their, there is a good chance that they can still legally vote there, as long as they don't vote elsewhere. They're probably still considered legal residents in the old neighborhood.
Point taken.... not sure what the residential requirements are on a move across the street. I'd point out that the school kids attend bears little relationship to where they live. Unfortunate, but that is a fact.

ThreeDee 10-31-2008 11:14 AM

Slightly offtopic, but speaking of voting, the national mock student election just ended. There were 2 options to vote, computer or paper ballot. Our school used the old paper ballot for some reason, so we had to count up all the votes. A couple other students and I counted up the votes for the mock election for our school. The national results for all 50 states can be found here:
http://www.nationalmockelection.org/

Interestingly, Obama won by a huge amount, Obama/Biden 62.1% vs. McCain/Palin 34.23%, Nader/Gonzalez 1.3% (:)).

Of course, this does not represent what the actual election will be like, but there's been many studies suggesting that children will vote for the same people their parents vote for.

cwtnospam 10-31-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by aehurst (Post 500928)
Presidential election is small potatoes.

That would be funny if we hadn't had the last eight years.

Jasen 10-31-2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeDee (Post 500929)
Of course, this does not represent what the actual election will be like, but there's been many studies suggesting that children will vote for the same people their parents vote for.

Yep. Just like religion is passed parent to child, so is political leaning. In general.

They must be talking about the election at school, because my 8 yr old is even talking about Obama and McCain, and funny enough started calling McCain a "mean old dummy" :rofl:
I hadn't talked to her about either of them. Although she knows my opinion of Bush. Probably because I curse and spit every time I speak his name.

aehurst 10-31-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cwtnospam (Post 500930)
That would be funny if we hadn't had the last eight years.

All politics are local.

Besides, the Arkansas election result for President has been predetermined. McCain wins hands down. Can't explain why without getting into taboo subjects for discussion on this forum. But, it is a done deal.

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Interestingly, Obama won by a huge amount, Obama/Biden 62.1% vs. McCain/Palin 34.23%, Nader/Gonzalez 1.3% ().
The little one's school had an election, too. Nearly unanimous for McCain. Course, that was after they had been indoctrinated (brain washed) on the correct way to vote... private school, they can do that. Little one was "enlightened" at home after the vote and hopefully has been freed from the Vulcan mind meld.

ThreeDee 10-31-2008 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasen (Post 500934)
Although she knows my opinion of Bush. Probably because I curse and spit every time I speak his name.

I have to say, although I don't like Bush either, I feel kinda sorry for him. Everything that happened after 9/11 isn't all his fault, you know. There's also everyone else in the Executive branch, and in Congress and even some people in the Supreme Court to blame, too.

Bush takes most of the punishment mainly because he's the President, the person everyone here in the US thinks of whenever someone says "government".

cwtnospam 10-31-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ThreeDee (Post 501009)
I have to say, although I don't like Bush either, I feel kinda sorry for him.

Who was it that filled the Justice Department with incompetent boobs, FEMA with political cronies, and made economic decisions based on how they would affect his friends in Big Oil? Who was it that outed a CIA agent? And no, that would not be done by anyone under him without his knowledge and consent, because who was it that demanded loyalty above competency?

Sorry? I feel sorry for the country.

tw 11-01-2008 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cwtnospam (Post 501014)
Who was it that filled the Justice Department with incompetent boobs, FEMA with political cronies, and made economic decisions based on how they would affect his friends in Big Oil? Who was it that outed a CIA agent? And no, that would not be done by anyone under him without his knowledge and consent, because who was it that demanded loyalty above competency?

well, I'm no Bush fan either, but I have to say that I feel sympathy for him. GWB's main problem as president is that he tended to think in terms of statements and moments rather than consequences. I kinda suspect that he kept thinking 'this is where I climb up on my horse, wave my white hat, and ride off into the sunset of history' like it was some old Ronald Reagan flick. except every time he turned to ride off, whatever it was came and bit him on the arse. I never read presidential memoirs, but I might make an exception for his because I can't imagine what he's feeling right now. and worse, to know that your own people want to hide you away so you don't queer their election chances, like some secret family shame. I may think that what's happening to him is perfect and inevitable karma, but still...

cwtnospam 11-01-2008 12:42 AM

I feel as much sympathy for him as I did when I saw the trap door fall under Saddam's feet. Both had it coming, and Bush deserves more than he's gotten.


Oh! And did you hear about the latest round of deregulation he's sneaking in at the last minute? He's unrepentant, and deserves no pity.


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