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ThreeDee 10-16-2008 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by trevstrotz1 (Post 498580)
If they ditched firewire, how are you supposed to transfer all of your stuff from your old mac with the assistant on your new mac?:confused:

Haha, right when I read this comment, Software Update alerted me that there's a new "Migration and CD/DVD Sharing Update" for download:
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Originally Posted by Apple Software Update
This software is recommended for all users and provides enhanced customization capabilities and improved performance for migration over FireWire, ethernet, and wireless networks.

For further information on this update, please visit this website: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3174

Wonder what that's about...

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Originally Posted by ArcticStones
...why not equip Macs, especially the MBP and desktops, with eSATA ports?

You can't power anything over eSATA, unlike USB or Firewire. Also, you can't daisy-chain devices like Firewire. The max cable length for eSATA is only around 1 meter, before the signal deteriorates, where FW800 is around 100m, and USB2 is around 5m.

Anti 10-16-2008 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by trevstrotz1 (Post 498580)
If they ditched firewire, how are you supposed to transfer all of your stuff from your old mac with the assistant on your new mac?:confused:

Time Capsule. (In Apple's dreams.)

styrafome 10-17-2008 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeDee (Post 498581)
Haha, right when I read this comment, Software Update alerted me that there's a new "Migration and CD/DVD Sharing Update" for download:
Wonder what that's about...

That's right. The question of "how do I migrate without FireWire" was answered with the original release of the MacBook Air, which already had no FireWire port. Back then Apple enabled migration over Ethernet, including wireless. If you do this, wireless is sure to be much, much slower than Gigabit Ethernet.

Because Apple already solved it back then, high-speed migration...faster than FireWire 800, if you use Gigabit Ethernet...is not an issue for the new MacBook.

I don't even use Target Disk Mode that much anymore, if I just want to transfer files fast, Gigabit Ethernet is both faster and easier. While all my Macs support TDM I only use it if I couldn't fix a problem over the network or with AppleJack.

That said, while all that's technically true, I personally do find lack of FireWire a deal breaker on the new MacBook.

J Christopher 10-18-2008 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti (Post 498556)
Especially so with the departure of integrated graphics on the MacBook.

The MacBook still has integrated graphics.

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Originally Posted by tlarkin
This is one thing I really hate about Apple. They don't give their customers the choices they want. They just build the product and say, here ya go!

I wouldn't be surprised if the MacBook's lack of FireWire works out just like the original MBP's lack of FW800. Customer demand brought it back.

Alternately, Apple may be phasing out FW400 in anticipation of FW1600 and/or FW3200.

ArcticStones 10-19-2008 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeDee (Post 498581)
You can't power anything over eSATA, unlike USB or Firewire. Also, you can't daisy-chain devices like Firewire. The max cable length for eSATA is only around 1 meter, before the signal deteriorates, where FW800 is around 100m, and USB2 is around 5m.

So? You put a separate power cord in the mains. No problem.
I’ve daisy-chained two Firewire disks (although they both don’t always come up on the desktop).

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Originally Posted by J Christopher (Post 498888)
Alternately, Apple may be phasing out FW400 in anticipation of FW1600 and/or FW3200.

Yeah, other posters have mentioned that. Makes no sense to me. You remove FW400 when you’re ready to roll out FW1600/3200 connection -- not before. I find transfer rates to external USB disks so intolerably slow that I simply gave mine away!

ThreeDee 10-19-2008 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti
Especially so with the departure of integrated graphics on the MacBook.

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Originally Posted by J Christopher (Post 498888)
The MacBook still has integrated graphics

Technically, the graphics chip is still integrated, but has been upgraded from Intel's chip to Nvidia's chip.

J Christopher 10-24-2008 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcticStones (Post 498905)
Yeah, other posters have mentioned that. Makes no sense to me. You remove FW400 when you’re ready to roll out FW1600/3200 connection -- not before. I find transfer rates to external USB disks so intolerably slow that I simply gave mine away!

I agree. On the other hand, it doesn't make any sense to drop FW400 and retain USB 2.0. FW is noticeably faster. Apple might be trying to further distinguish the MacBook from the MBP (a possibility previously mentioned, I think), since they are aesthetically very similar now. It also pressures some MacBook users into buying the MBP when they upgrade.

Personally, the lack of FW400 is a deal breaker for me on the MacBook. I was going to get a new MacBook and sell my current one, but now I'm either going to keep my current machine a while longer, or get an MBP. Or, less likely, get an iMac.


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