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cwtnospam 01-30-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by toecheese (Post 447094)
Would you like Apple to remove all their odd shortcuts and hidden features that probably 95% of their users never use or know about?

No. I just don't want to see them add features that less than 5% are asking for. You've seen lots of people use it, but I've seen lots more who have no idea it exists. The majority run Office, IE, and maybe some other custom app for their business, never spending more than a few seconds (if any time at all!) in Windows Explorer.

J Christopher 01-30-2008 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by toecheese (Post 446946)
That being said, I have to say that as a new Mac user one of the things I am finding most irritating is the "if mac doesn't have it then we don't need that feature" attitude as well as the "why don't you go use windows" comment whenever someone asks for a feature that Windows has. Such blind mac zealotry does nobody any good. Mac has adopted many things from Windows over the years--the taskbar, contextual menus, etc. I'm sure there were many conversations back when about how Mac users didn't need such things. There are, in fact, many Windows features that Mac would be well to adopt, and I think sometimes the only reason they don't is simply corporate pride--and that's not to their customers' benefit.

The problem is that MS has implemented the feature in Windows very poorly. If a Windows users cuts text, that text disappears from where it was cut, and only reappears if it is pasted somewhere. That is all well and good, and is how users, Mac or Windows, should expect Cut to work. However, when Windows users cut a file, that file does not disappear until the user pastes it elsewhere. While it may be convenient to have such functionality, it is a UI failure to use Cut/Copy to implement that functionality.

I would love to see a Move command in my OS X contextual menu. I think it would be an excellent addition. However, I would hate to see Apple implement such functionality in the same ill conceived manner in which MS implemented the functionality.

Incidentally, Cmd-drag (press and hold the cmd key prior to releasing the drag) is Move (as opposed to Copy) in OS X, while option-drag is Copy (as opposed to Move). Generally speaking, without any modifier keys, a file is moved when dragged to another location on the same volume, and is copied when dragged to a location on a different volume.

For those looking for a shelf, Xshelf is, in my opinion, an outstanding free utility that returns the NeXT Shelf's functionality to OS X.

One should be careful not to confuse Mac zealotry with experience among Mac users who have already learned that the Mac way is often superior to the Windows way, even if that superiority is not immediately obvious. That certainly does not mean that everything about OS X is golden, and everything about Windows is lousy. However, many switchers often complain about how the Mac way is different from the Windows way before they allow themselves adequate time to try out the Mac way.

tuxlover 02-19-2009 07:20 PM

This thread is just hilarious. I just have to awake it from the dead.

I'm a switcher myself (2 years ago), still using Windows at work, and cutting/pasting files and folders is probably the #1 feature I've been missing on Mac OS X.

Anybody who feels they are missing it too, please go to http://www.apple.com/feedback and tell apple about it. Maybe someday they'll change their mind - after all, they already added the (greyed out) "cut" menu item in Finder, which gloatingly grins at me whenever I open up the "edit" menu.

They should at least add it as a functionality that could enabled by power users under options - it could be disabled by default.

EatsWithFingers 02-20-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tuxlover (Post 520111)
.. after all, they already added the (greyed out) "cut" menu item in Finder, which gloatingly grins at me whenever I open up the "edit" menu.

Highlight some text and you'll find that it's no longer greyed-out. It's there for text-related operations only (i.e. not file/folder related operations).

ricede 02-21-2009 01:29 AM

Pathfinder - http://www.cocoatech.com/ - has finder cut/paste - amongst many other wonderful tools.

one of my favorite features is the 'dual browser' - that saves having 2 finder windows open at the same time.

gunzeye 02-23-2009 08:50 AM

it's about choice
 
wow !!! 5 pages and no solution.

it's simple, in windows you have 2 options - drag and drop or ctl-x ctl-v. you can CHOOSE what works better for you.

and how do people decide what others need or what others use?? !! just because mac users are restricted by the machine's limitations, they think it's not a handy feature !! sounds funny...just give the option and see what they use. most of the windows users use ctl-x ctl-v over the drag and drop approach. why? (even i started guessing what people use more often) !!

but on a serious note, it's more about having choices.

anyway, as a long time windows user and first time mac user, i'm happy with the cool features of mac...

benwiggy 02-26-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gunzeye (Post 520662)
but on a serious note, it's more about having choices.

Like most arguments, it depends what is most important to you. If having a familiar function and choice is more important to you, then you'll cry out for <cut> in the finder.
If GUI consistency is more important to you, then you won't want it.

Although you can point to a number of breaches in GUI consistency in the OS X interface, Apple generally does try to implement a consistent UI. For that reason, you will not see Cut in the Finder; not <Return> to Open a file.

But I still remain staggered by the numbers of posts on this forum that say:
"This computer does X, which is accessed by pressing/clicking Y. I want to access X by pressing/clicking Z instead".
Computers are a tool. You learn the way they work. You then use that to do stuff you want.
Bend like the willow, or snap like the oak! ;)

AHunter3 02-26-2009 11:07 AM

I know what I'd like more than a "Cut" contextual-menu item: a Move... contextual-menu item. Hierarchical menus would pop out to the side when invoked, the top level choices looking something akin to this:

Recent Folders
Favorite 'Move' Locations
Macintosh HD
External Drive X
External Drive Y
iPod
Mounted SMB Volume Z


Any of the above, once selected, would pop out the next tier of choices in the hierarchy; wherever you release mouse button, that's where it goes. PrefsPane option would let you specify a confirmation dialog or "just do it" mode.


The "Favorite 'Move' Locations" list is something you could manually add folders to, of course. (Or remove from).

Those of you familiar with Default Folder will nod with recognition at the basic organizing principle; essentially it would be the extension of Default Folder to a "move" function rather than a "save dialog".

Red_Menace 03-01-2009 11:48 PM

Now that would be a nice addition - especially if the move actually created new files so that ACL inheritances would kick in.

J Christopher 04-05-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AHunter3 (Post 521428)
I know what I'd like more than a "Cut" contextual-menu item: a Move... contextual-menu item.

I would also like to see a "Move" command in the contextual menu (though not a bass ackwards Windowsesque "Cut" command for files).

In the meantime, command-drag moves files, option-drag copies files, and unmodified dragging will either copy or move, depending on the location of the destination relative to the source.


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