Snow Leopard
 

I'm wandering for what platforms is designed Snow Leopard?For 64bit or for 32 and 64bit?I mean could i use Snow Leopard on my MacBook(2007 late)???

Snow Leopard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.6) is a future release of OS X - it isn't available yet (except for registered developers who are under NDA and so can't talk about it and certainly can't "share" it) and it probably won't be available until summer 2009.

So it's rather premature to be wondering if you can use it on your MacBook.

I don't have any inside information, but the publicly available information on Snow Leopard is that it will be Intel only, but will support both 32 bit and 64 bit Intel processor Macs.

So, yes, assuming that the publicly available information is correct, you can use Snow Leopard on your MacBook.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008...owleopard.html

Trevor

This is wrong. Mac sites are speculating about this based on a prerelease build of the OS. They seem to have forgotten that the first release of the iPhone SDK was Intel-only, but following releases were PPC and Intel.

So the only thing anyone knows is that a very early build is Intel-only right now, nothing more. Will Apple drop PPC? It's possible. But there's nothing official on the subject yet that is publicly available.

From the link to Apple's website above, "Snow Leopard dramatically reduces the footprint of Mac OS X." This is interpreted by many as meaning Apple intends to take the PPC code out of Snow Leopard.

But as always interpretation should not be mistaken for knowledge. It's premature to lose any sleep worrying about this. I don't. :D

There have been a number of articles about this, some stating that there is actually largely unnecessary detritus left over from development stages within most apps. I remember seeing a graph comparison of Mail.app before and after removing this 'stuff' and it was dramatically smaller.

I for one hope that it will support PPC - not that it will affect any of my machines, but I know a few people that I 'support' whose machines could really do with something like a smaller, faster Leopard.

My question was, "will support Intel MacBooks" that are on sale now,Not PPC?as i know the Intel MacBooks are 32 bits and Snow Leopard will be for 64 bit..?

My understanding was that the Intel chips have always been 64 bit...
Snow Leopard... (like Leopard) will support both 32bit and 64bit applications.
PowerPC's will also be able to run Snow Leopard...so long as they meet the minimum system requirements.

and YES... of course the current MacBooks will be able to run 10.6... this is Apple... not Microsoft we are talking about here :D

anyone else know if I am right on that?

Well that is certainly true :D

Still not sure whether or not Snow Leopard will run on PPC. Apple will have to drop PPC support one day, the question is when... The OS is rapidly advancing beyond what a PPC is capable of dealing with.

you mean that all Intel Macs are 64 bits?

The Xeons and Core 2 processors are.

I've got MacBook (2007 late)
Intel 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo

is it 64 bit? And if it is...would be possible to use more then 4GB DDR2 when i run Snow Leopard on it?

Well I think those MacBooks only hold 2 RAM modules; and the largest combination you can make out of 2 modules are 2x2GB. So unless they start building RAM modules larger than 2GB (or they already have and I'm not aware), then the answer is no.

On the surface this is true. The prerelease build of Snow Leopard states that it requires an Intel processor, and Apple has not to my knowledge come out and said specifically that Snow Leopard's release version will also require an Intel processor. But

1. the purpose of Snow Leopard Developer Preview is to allow developers to get applications and drivers running for Snow Leopard in advance of the actual release of the OS. Because applications are built differently depending on whether or not they will be used with Intel processors, PPC processors, or both, if Snow Leopard was indeed going to be running on PPC machines in it's final version, then the Developer Preview version would fail in allowing developers to test their apps running in Snow Leopard on PPC machines. This is very unlikely.

2. the comparison to the iPhone SDK is invalid. The purpose of the iPhone SDK is to get applications running on the iPhone, a separate device, and the hardware used to develop that could be anything. Remember that the hardware used to develop XBox 360 apps before the release of XBox 360 hardware was Power Mac G5s.

The iPhone SDK can develop apps that run on both the iPhone EDGE and the iPhone 3G, because that's what is important for the iPhone SDK. Not what computer type the SDK runs on.

Very true.

Trevor

No, definitely not. Core Duos (used on early MacBook Pros, MacBooks, iMacs, and Mac Minis) and Core Solos (used on early low-end Mac Minis) are both 32 bit.

As ddugan says, Core 2 Duos and the Xeon processors used in Mac Pros and Intel XServes are 64 bit.

Trevor

So many different opinions and nobody gave me an answer of my question:

If the benefit of Snow Leopard is to run 64 and 32 bit applications... it is no reasonable that i can run effectively Snow Leopard on my MacBook (32 bit).

All this discussion i started because i want to know would i have to change my hardware(MacBook 32bit) to use all advantages of Snow Leopard when Apple put it on the market.

If my 32bit MacBook is not enоugh for Snow Leopard i will buy MacBook Pro 64

By your own admission, your MacBook has a Core 2 Duo which is 64 bit (you need to read the posts above a little more carefully). It bears repeating - your MacBook is 64 bit. And don't be disappointed that we can't give you a definitive answer about a product that is not released yet, let alone finished development! Nobody but Apple knows the answer and anything else is just speculation.

It is possible that Snow Leopard will require 512 bit processors, so why waste your money upgrading now! Okay, that actually borders on impossible, but the point still stands. Stop worrying about the future when there is nothing that you can do about it now.

At first i want to tell to all of you that i respect all people in this forum that try to help each other....

At 2nd - i read carefully but there is written:

No, definitely not. Core Duos (used on early MacBook Pros, MacBooks, iMacs, and Mac Minis) and Core Solos (used on early low-end Mac Minis) are both 32 bit.


another people say 64 bits, is there any place that Apple give legal info about it.Of course i trust you, but there is different opinions and finally i'm confused.
Sorry if i boring you

Yeah... Core Duo's and Core Solo's are different to Core 2. All are Intel but only the later are 64bit...

Ok, does somebody know how can i check what core 32 or 64 bits has my Mac?

click the 'apple' menu & click 'about this mac'.... if it says Core Duo.. its 32bit... and if it says Core2Duo.. its 64bit...

like its been said a number of times on this thread now :)

It's not your fault that Intel chose a confusing naming convention for their products, but it is simply this:

Core 2 Duo = 64 bits (note the 2 here)

Core Duo = 32 bits (note the absence of the 2 here)

If your MacBook is a late 2007 model, like you said, then when you open the System Profiler, you will see Core 2 Duo. Apple stopped shipping the Core Duo MacBooks in late 2006 (I know, because I got one and then the Core 2 Duos came out!).

what the hell lets repeat it again

CORE DUO=32 bit

CORE 2 DUO = 64 bit

See the difference?!?!?!

ok im done

http://www.intel.com/products/proces...ifications.htm

Voala... it's 64 bit :)

lol, after all that - you got the answer from the Intel website... :|

For what it's worth, Apple official announcement today about Snow Leopard is that it will be Intel only.

Trevor

So this went to two (2) pages because you didn't notice that people were telling you the whole time the difference is between Core Duo & Core 2 Duo? Those are two (2) different product models.

Many G5's were 64 bit, but not all. I don't remember but I don't think any G4's were. 'PPC code' doesn't necessarily mean anything anymore since they claimed with Leopard the OS and all bundled apps are Universal Binary. Also, it won't make a huge difference since 32 bit Intel macs will be supported, and presumably miss out on the majority of the performance increase of being a 64 bit OS versus simply being able to execute 64 bit apps in a 32 bit environment.

Snow Leopard is definitely designed for Core 2 Duo or better Macs, regardless of what is supported.

Did you guys see the upgrade price?

$29.00:eek:

As for the 32/64 bit - bit I do believe both library files are included and it can or should be able to run on both....

That is just my speculation

Yes you're correct, they stated it can run on any Intel Mac.

I saw the $29 upgrade price and started looking for disclaimers. I hope it holds.

Hope that they have an inexpensive Server upgrade price, too, but have noticed no information given on that front.

Brett

The $29 upgrade price signals that this is more like the 10.1 update--lots of improvements but no new features. I'm sure that 10.7 will be back to a price of $129 or thereabouts.

The people reading this (who are universally smart and amazingly good-looking) are cognizant of why improvements like those reported in Snow Leopard are worth paying for. But the unwashed masses look for new features to buy an OS upgrade. And since Snow Leopard doesn't really have any fancy new features they are likely to pass on a full $129 price, but might just buy a $29 upgrade, just to be up-to-date.

Trevor

I agree, now only if MS does this with Windows 7 for Vista users. I would like to upgrade my Vista box at home but don't want to pay a lot for it for improvement and not any new features. Unless you want to count DX11 support a feature.

I'm expecting it will drive the few holdouts still running Tiger on Intel Macs to upgrade to Leopard in anticipation for Snow Leopard. They have said there are some new features, but it's not their focus this time.

At the time it is released, it won't be worth running anything lower than 10.6 if you have an Intel Mac.

I think they stated the Snow Leopard Server upgrade will be $429, not 100% sure on this though.

Whereas we Tiger holdouts on PPC hardware have no more reason to adopt that bad kitty than we ever did.

Why would the holdouts upgrade to Leopard now? Assuming that they have Intel hardware, they are better off waiting until September (since they've already waited this long) and only paying $29 instead of paying $129 + $29!

Has eveyone missed the Snow Leopard upgrade requirements from Tiger?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html
That seems to say that there will be a full install, included with the Mac Box Set (includes iLife and iWork) - and that the $29 Snow Leopard does not provide for upgrading from Tiger, unless you want to also purchase Leopard. So, there's your $129 plus $29
That would make the box set a better deal, as you get everything at once.
Can anyone say that won't be the case?

Some say the beta can be upgraded to retell version:-( True?

That's an anonymous type of statement if I ever saw one. People can say anything they like. You may not expect that a beta of any operating system will be stable or safe to use. Unless Apple releases a public beta, which should allow an upgrade to the final version (or might not), you can't assume that will work.

That rumor cannot be proven yet, so you can only guess, and that guess may be wrong (as some guesses are, eh?)
If you must 'play', be prepared to pay. That means a full, usable backup before you install the beta. OF course, if you are a developer, you would already be aware of all this...
See you in September!

It says there will are 32 and 64bit version both.

Snow Leopard
 

Why cant beta be updated to final version?

Are you having trouble updating to the final version? Before it's even released?
Ah, life as a developer can be tough, eh?

Past system betas often aren't recognized as a valid version when the final version is released (that means it won't update) That would be one of the reasons why you don't want an OS X beta. Leave it to the developers/testers, who realize that some test releases might not have updateable code, and installing the next beta may require a format. But then, a developer such as yourself would know that, eh?

Can I install final release over the beta?

Snow Leopard
 

Can I install final release over the beta?

OK, I'll guess.
No... It won't upgrade to the final.

Wait, here's the other guess
Yes... It will upgrade with the final version.
You may choose, and your choice won't make a difference until the final version is released.

You should know that an OS X beta might not be upgradeable, as it's for developers to test, and not for the general public to have fun with.....
Those who don't know can always guess, and those who DO know would be limited by the NDA that developers have to sign.
So, your guess is as good as mine at this time.

How many more times are you going to ask this same question?
___ Be Patient! ___

No, maybe... Who knows?

jareddigby:
I merged your repetitive new threads into this existing one.
Do not create new threads when there is an existing one on the subject.
And do not keep on asking the same question - especially when it is somewhat dubious (since beta-releases of OS X are only for developers and developers are well informed by Apple about the restrictions).

Further disregard of forum rules will get you banned.