They're your basic fanboi nightmare alright but none of you dug deep enough. The Jalkut articles were in response to an arrogant and vicious attack by Jalkut on Ankur Kothari who'd written an impressive article on how Mac developers were bilking their customers; the Gruber articles were provoked by Gruber's arrogant attacks on several respected journalists and on Avie Tevanian; and as for Gruber being some kind of respected technical expert - forget it. He's an object of ridicule in the security industry. Rixstep have provided the free CLIX to undermine snake oil salesmen on the platform, have produced the only file management tools that get at everything, provide the free AWS web services, they've written software for Rob Griffiths - and if they want to take some people down a notch they're well entitled to it. No one needs that kind of "Mac blogging" anyway.

P.S. Most of the later comments in this thread are pure rubbish. Knock on wood they don't make a spectacle of you.

You last line was gibberish (though I'm assuming it refers to me). And the only thing I hate more than the fact that you insulted me is the fact that I just downloaded CLIX and it looks really useful. That pisses me right off! I've been trying to figure out UNIX for a while now, we'll have to see if this does the trick.

All the same, I don't appreciate the tone of the author of Rixstep, nor do I appreciate the ad hominum attacks he indulges in. I've never thought experience was an excuse to be a jerk, and I don't think CLIX will talk me out of that sentiment.

LOL! That's a major endorsement of the man.

wow zal just tore the newbie a new one :D

You registered under the name "Fairly" just to post this, and you sound exactly like Rixstep. Either you're drinking their kool-aid or you are Rixstep.

Either way, this thread has pretty much run its course at this point. We've demonstrated how awful Rixstep is, had a bit of discussion, and now we've had someone register just to post an incoherent, inflammatory response. What's left? Should I get some popcorn to watch the inevitable explosion?

Probably not, I was expecting that you were going to be the inevitable explosion. I'm already spent! :rolleyes:

BBBBBOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!

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done

I want some popcorn


Anyways isnt this the part of the thread where we talk about kittens or somthing

Mikey is the one who must invoke caturday.

Lies!!! Lieeesssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter what one's agenda is or how important the point, a negative presentation will do more to shoot it down than anything else.

You messed my quote up.

I try not to get caught up in the hype. I mean I know that OS X isn't bullet proof but these so called "exploits" that people publish I try to mess around with them to see what goes on. Mostly, I end up getting no where in the OS.

Plus I use things like mcx and casper to help administer my computers and from a security stand point it is very robust.

I think that there are some loop holes in OS X, but if they were so obvious why don't we see hackers claiming fame by hacking into OS X servers? Writing viruses and exploits to hack into the OS?

I mean if these so called obvious security holes were really there, then why aren't they being exploited?

What irony: the "toxic" guy complains how Rick got it wrong about him being from Texas... and then he proclaims that Rick is Swedish. :eek: Rick ain't Swedish folks... and i don't think he ever claimed to be. He may haved lived there, taught programming, worked and possibly wed there... but he was not born a Swede.

Anyway, what has all that silliness got to to with anything useful? If you ignore the flames, there is a lot of factual food at that site. And he's an equal-time basher... Microsoft gets roasted every bit as much. (If Rick seems to write more about Apple, perhaps it's due to his deep admiration of the now-defunct NeXT operating system).

If you just focus on the flames you'll miss the more useful content. (Whatever turns you on Mikey).

He's an idiot and reflects poorly on the community. You aren't going to change my mind.

Which Rick? This Rick?

http://www.motifake.com/demotivation...1230798458.jpg

I, for one, prefer to get my useful and factual information from a source which doesn't require "ignoring the flames", regardless of the target of said flames. I'm beyond tired of reading the same old Microsoft bashing threads as I am of reading the same old Apple bashing threads. And the "new" bashing threads are pretty much the same thing, perhaps with a bit of borrowing from the other side.

That said, anyone know a good, snarky site with a focus on BeOS?

HAHAH BeOS I vaguely remember that.

I agree too, there is just a lot of elitism with some people and technology. I have met people that hate apple because they try to look cool? I was like, well if you don't like the design then don't buy it, and he was like, no they look cool, but I don't like things that try to look cool?

Yeah, totally makes no sense.

I also don't like getting the info from Apple or from MS them self either. Since I work with Apple a lot and I do get certain things in advance and that I have full enterprise support subjects me to a number of NDAs. I think I have signed maybe 5 NDAs this year just for Apple. At least MS doesn't make me sign any NDA, the NDA is just implied in the EULA for their beta products and once its public they don't even care.

The good thing about this is though is that I get to input my personal thoughts into the products from these companies and sometimes get enough input and support for new feature requests.

What I hate is when someone gets off on a tangent and totally loses sight of anything constructive. While, I did enjoy reading MOABs, and I won't ever drink Apple's kool-aid, I do also think that some of these people just want to bash Apple.

Same thing goes for Microsoft. I mean yeah Windows is Windows and it has it's problems but it also has technology that is great for the end user that is not available on the Mac, mainly lots of APIs that allow developers direct robust access to hardware resources. Of course Apple is now throwing those bones, with things like Core Animation, but developers are still a bit reluctant to hop on board.

This is kind of a random off topic rant, my bad

Hey... no "rickrolling" please! :rolleyes:

Yes yes... but that's so obvious it doesn't even need to be said. What i find wasteful is spending 100% of the time discussing the 15% of the troll bait being served, while acting as if the other 85% has no technical merit at all. Whereas the other 85% does in fact have technical merit, often more so than many other (similar) sites.

Hey, i think Gruber is a bit of a bozo sometimes (versus others who seem to believe he's God's favorite nephew or something). But i'm not gonna start a thread devoted exclusively to Gruber's bozo-ness. I just take whatever useful info he has to offer and chuck the rest away.

We would all "prefer" people to be perfect and polite and all that... but the world seldom works that way.