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One Winged Angel 05-17-2008 01:32 PM

Nintendo DS Emulator?
 
Hey everyone. I downloaded a ROM of Dragonball Z Supersonic Warriors 2 for Nintendo DS (fun game!). Now, decent emulators for DS are HARD to come by... especially when asking for a mac version. I found one, Desmume I believe its called. It plays VERY laggy.. I couldn't even get passed the first 2 seconds of the title screen (and it took about 10 minutes to get any screen up).

I run on an iBook G4 with Mac OSX 10.4.11

Any help with DS emulators would be greatly appreciated.

roncross@cox.net 05-17-2008 01:44 PM

I'm afraid your out of luck. But hey, there's always Xcode. Have a go at it and see what you can come up with.

Mikey-San 05-17-2008 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel (Post 470108)
Hey everyone. I downloaded a ROM of Dragonball Z Supersonic Warriors 2 for Nintendo DS (fun game!). Now, decent emulators for DS are HARD to come by... especially when asking for a mac version. I found one, Desmume I believe its called. It plays VERY laggy.. I couldn't even get passed the first 2 seconds of the title screen (and it took about 10 minutes to get any screen up).

I run on an iBook G4 with Mac OSX 10.4.11

Any help with DS emulators would be greatly appreciated.

Is there something wrong with buying a game you think is worth playing? That people put time, energy, and money into making?

Your thread sucks. You suck.

kel101 05-17-2008 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470112)
Is there something wrong with buying a game you think is worth playing? That people put time, energy, and money into making?

Your thread sucks. You suck.

^^ what he said

Downloading roms to games you dont own is illegal (and downloading them in general i think), and is basically pirating the game, and is copyright, and its not something you'd want to announce on a forum

trevstrotz1 05-19-2008 12:07 AM

wow mikey, that was some very bold rudeness. It really makes me mad when people have to be rude. There is no need. :mad:

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevstrotz1 (Post 470391)
wow mikey, that was some very bold rudeness. It really makes me mad when people have to be rude. There is no need. :mad:

I used to work for a game developer, and I'm not going to apologize for being short with someone asking us to help him pirate the games of honest developers.

"Waaah waaah this pirated game is slow! Waaah!"

This is the sound of the world's smallest violin playing the world's saddest song.

tlarkin 05-19-2008 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevstrotz1 (Post 470391)
wow mikey, that was some very bold rudeness. It really makes me mad when people have to be rude. There is no need. :mad:

He is a developer and he doesn't like people stealing things that people/companies put a lot of time, money and resources into.

However, with games these days too much is recycled. I do like to do the try before you buy and in most cases if I like it enough I'll play it further than like level 4, I buy it.

I have however bought games that were hyped and when I got them, I never played past level 3 or 4 because the game just sucked real bad. hardly anyone returns software.

The gaming industry is one I fully support and I do buy games. My little brother is a manager of a Gamestop and he gets pissed off when people pirate games, I guess because it hurts his market too.

I am not 100% innocent though, and I have definitely downloaded games, but at the same time I buy a lot of them as well. I mean I used to buy a couple of games every month when I was really into it. Now I maybe buy a couple a year. I get the game informer magazine and read it and most of the time I get bored just reading it. I guess I am just old and jaded. Hopefully, Fallout 3 will be fantastic as I have been waiting for that game to come out for like 10 years now.

I am even building a new PC for it, well that, and starcraft 2 when it comes out. Other than that, I can't really think of any games I really like that much on the PC. For 360 I play GTA 4, and RSV2, but I don't even think GTA4 is all that super great. I mean its a good game but it just feels non optimized controls in the game play.

So I see both sides of the argument. Don't steal because it hurts the industry, but you don't always want to waste your money on crap. I think we are all guilty of downloading things at one point or another. I got into an argument with one of my friends who is a musician. he said I shouldn't download music. I told him that I was going to regardless because I don't have the time to rip my 300 vinyl records to digital formats. So, instead of ripping say my 15 rolling stone records I just find the torrent file. I don't feel bad because I own the record and it is sitting in the record crate in my living room.

You need to support the industry though period. While I may understand that if it is like a japanese release only, then a ROM may be your only answer.

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lamer in the OP
Dragonball Z Supersonic Warriors 2 for Nintendo DS (fun game!)

This ain't "try before you buy". Homeboy likes the game, yet won't pay for it.

tlarkin 05-19-2008 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470397)
This ain't "try before you buy". Homeboy likes the game, yet won't pay for it.

Yeah I would have to say if you like it, buy it. 90% of games I have downloaded I never even finished because they bored me or they sucked. The ones I loved I bought. I still have my original CDs for everything too, in a box somewhere.....:confused: Have to bust out that Quake III collectors edition with the metal tin box one of these days, bet its worth, nothing LOL. Oh well, I still love quake 3 and all the mods.

I think I may reinstall it this week, need to play me some jail break!

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 12:30 AM

I'd like to add that I understand that gamers don't want to buy games that suck. I bought [title redacted] a while back and couldn't stand it. The camera was so terrible that I couldn't play the game for more than five minutes at a time.* If I would've played a demo first, I would've bought something else. I'm usually really, really careful about what I buy, but I lapsed that time and got a game that collects dust in my closet. I can't hate on people who want to try a game before they buy it, and not all games have demos.

The "are games recycled" thing, as well as this, are discussions well-suited toward their own threads in the Coat Room. (I'd watch, but I'd probably be better off just lurking. :))

* A tasty cookie for anyone who guesses what game and platform it was.

kel101 05-19-2008 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevstrotz1 (Post 470391)
wow mikey, that was some very bold rudeness. It really makes me mad when people have to be rude. There is no need. :mad:

haha, you've only just realised mikey is mean?? i find it very amusing, maybe its because im young and immature....


(oh and mikey that game could be anything, give us a clue at least)

tlarkin 05-19-2008 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470400)
* A tasty cookie for anyone who guesses what game and platform it was.


I am going to say it was for the Wii. Peanut butter cookie plz.

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 10:49 AM

Nah, wasn't a Wii game. Most Wii games I've played have good control. Mario Galaxy FTW

Las_Vegas 05-19-2008 10:50 AM

I'm guessing GTA for the PlayStation...

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 10:53 AM

Nope. NO COOKIE FOR YOU

kel101 05-19-2008 11:32 AM

god of war?

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 12:24 PM

Bzzzt

GETTING COLDER GUYS

kel101 05-19-2008 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470504)
Bzzzt

GETTING COLDER GUYS

hmm ok at least give us a genre??

Actually since you mention demos, am i right in assuming thats its either a next gen or pc game

trevor 05-19-2008 03:47 PM

Moved thread to The Coat Room, as it's no longer even remotely on topic for the "OS X Help Requests > Applications" forum.

kel101 05-19-2008 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevor (Post 470557)
Moved thread to The Coat Room, as it's no longer even remotely on topic for the "OS X Help Requests > Applications" forum.

haha true..

Felix_MC 05-19-2008 05:17 PM

Teeny Chick's Adventures in New York City, for PC? :D

Anti 05-19-2008 05:29 PM

Since tlarkin's post started a bit of something on the quality of games, I wanted to throw something in.

What ever happened to the longevity of games? Most of the games I play these days are ones that I can beat in one night. Serious.

I bought GRAW for the 360. One night and it was down. Same with God of War. There are a few others, but the names escape me at the moment.

What ever happened to games like Final Fantasy 7 or Xenogears, where you could easily empty upwards of 75 hours into it?

Not even today's RPGs last that long.

EatsWithFingers 05-19-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470400)
* A tasty cookie for anyone who guesses what game and platform it was.

Since you mention a camera, I'll throw my hat in the direction of an EyeToy-based PS2 game? And since there's a dearth of such games, I'll say EyeToy-Play.

Can I get a double-choc-chip cookie if I'm right? I'll pay the postage to the UK! :D


Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti (Post 470582)
What ever happened to games like Final Fantasy 7 or Xenogears, where you could easily empty upwards of 75 hours into it?

Hear hear for FFVII. I remember staying up all night when I first got it, and only just got out of Midgar (~7hrs gameplay). I (naively) thought that I'd almost completed it. It was many months before I'd got a 'Knights of the Round' materia to Master level...!

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti (Post 470582)
What ever happened to games like Final Fantasy 7 or Xenogears, where you could easily empty upwards of 75 hours into it?

Cutscenes + grinding == 40+ hours of gameplay. Xenogears was rather famous for grinding. FF7 was no stranger to it. "Modern" RPGs tend not to have much grinding, compared to the older style RPGs (FF7 and its predecessors, Dragon Warrior, Chrono Trigger), because that era passed. No one wants a 20 hours of play tacked on because of grinding. (I enjoyed the Japanese FF3 release for the DS partially because of lots of random battles, but I grew up playing those kinds of RPGs and know how to work the system.)

Quote:

eyetoy
Negative, it's not an EyeToy game.

MMMMMM THESE COOKIES ARE TASTY

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 06:18 PM

Quote:

It was many months before I'd got a 'Knights of the Round' materia to Master level...!
But that isn't the same as having a game that takes a while to beat. Anti was complaining about beating God of War in a single sitting, which is completely different than collecting every last little item in a game built around grinding to get levels and items. KoR equipment was just extra stuff thrown in to appease the grinders.

Don't get me wrong. I made sure to get every single awesome weapon in FF3. But I'm not going to fault Gears of War if it isn't a 40-hour grindfest.

Sure, some games are just actually long. That's awesome. But it's simply not possible (or reasonable) for every game made to be amazing and take 30 or 40 hours to beat.

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 06:20 PM

COOKIE HINT

Its big brother didn't suck.

EatsWithFingers 05-19-2008 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470592)
But that isn't the same as having a game that takes a while to beat. Anti was complaining about beating God of War in a single sitting, which is completely different than collecting every last little item in a game built around grinding to get levels and items. KoR equipment was just extra stuff thrown in to appease the grinders.

Don't get me wrong. I made sure to get every single awesome weapon in FF3. But I'm not going to fault Gears of War if it isn't a 40-hour grindfest.

Sure, some games are just actually long. That's awesome. But it's simply not possible (or reasonable) for every game made to be amazing and take 30 or 40 hours to beat.

Point taken. I think it was about three weeks worth (~50 hrs) of play before I first finished FFVII - I recall that Cloud was only level 31, and everyone else was 20-25.

As for 'grinding', some games have pointless tasks that are added purely to make the game 'longer'. FFVII (and probably a lot of other RPGs) had a lot of stuff which was fun (e.g. additional characters which weren't intergral to the completion of the game). Yes, maxing out the character's levels and materia is 'grinding', but things like breeding the black chocobo and finding the 'Knights of the Round' materia isn't (in my book).

Then again, I'm a kind of 'collector' when it comes to playing games - I have to get everything. Not necessarily high-scores, just stuff like special weapons, hidden items, secret levels, etc. Saying that though, I won't do it if it's boring (I completed Abe's Odyssey three times in two days, the second two times I freed all but two of his people - I really wanted to free them all, but the third play was a major slog and I never touched it again).

The biggest disappointment in terms of length for me was the first 'Metal Gear Solid' on PS2 (I forget the number). It was pathetically short, and not that good given all the pre-release hype.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470592)
Anti was complaining about beating God of War in a single sitting

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti
What ever happened to the longevity of games? Most of the games I play these days are ones that I can beat in one night. Serious.

Play the games on a harder setting then. And if you are, then be happy in the fact that you are a highly skilled gamer. Or rent games rather than buy them, if you know you'll complete them in one or two sittings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San
Negative, it's not an EyeToy game.

I've just realised that you could be referring to the in-game camera. I'm now officially stumped. And hungry...

tlarkin 05-19-2008 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470593)
COOKIE HINT

Its big brother didn't suck.

Must be on a portable system then?

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 06:59 PM

Quote:

Then again, I'm a kind of 'collector' when it comes to playing games - I have to get everything. Not necessarily high-scores, just stuff like special weapons, hidden items, secret levels, etc. Saying that though, I won't do it if it's boring (I completed Abe's Odyssey three times in two days, the second two times I freed all but two of his people - I really wanted to free them all, but the third play was a major slog and I never touched it again).
This is why the XBL achievements system rocks. Take a normal game, design extra tasks and challenges within it, and award points/medals to players for doing them. It's win/win!

We drew up the list of achievements for Marathon and found that we had basically three full gameplay experiences: beating the game; beating the game on the hardest difficulty, never leaving a BOB alive on a level, and punching all switches; and reading all the terminals in the game, which usually means a player replays the game a couple of times trying to find them all.

Edit: That's not to say achievements are an excuse to be lazy and make stuff up that didn't take any time to design, of course. They're just good to have.

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlarkin (Post 470597)
Must be on a portable system then?

Maybe it's a spinoff on the PC or a regular console.

Felix_MC 05-19-2008 07:26 PM

Does it happen to be one of these games :D?
(hey, it's not cheating, I just want some cookies :p)
Grand Theft Auto III
PS2
Half-Life
PC
Final Fantasy VII
PS
Gran Turismo
PS
Chrono Trigger
Super NES
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
PC
The Legend of Zelda
Super NES
King's Quest VI: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow
PC
Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness
PC
Doom
PC
The Sims
PC
Freespace 2
PC
Super Mario Kart
Super NES
Planescape: Torment
PC
Final Fantasy II
Super NES
Master of Orion
PC
System Shock 2
PC
Phantasy Star II
Genesis
Diablo
PC
Tribes
PC
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
NES
Metroid
NES
EverQuest
PC
Contra
NES
Tekken 2
PS
Star Raiders
Atari 400/800
Sensible World of Soccer
Amiga
Star Wars: TIE Fighter
PC
M.U.L.E.
Atari 800
Super Mario Bros. 3
NES
Civilization
PC
Dance Dance Revolution 3rd Mix
PS
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
PS
MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
PC
Day of the Tentacle
PC
X-Men: The Arcade Game
Arcade
Smash TV
Arcade
Darklands
PC
Defender
Arcade
Total Annihilation
PC
Pitfall!
2600
Archon
Goblins, Golems, and Doppelgangers and Not a Single 20-Sided
NES
The Revenge of Shinobi
Genesis
Ys Book I & II
TurboGrafx-16
Michael Jackson's Moonwalker
GEN
Neuromancer
Amiga
California Games
Lynx
Theme Park
PC
Oregon Trail
PC
Thief: The Dark Project
PC
SimCity
PC
Samurai Shodown II
NeoGeo
ActRaiser
Super NES
Marble Madness
NES
Myth: The Fallen Lords
PC
NFL Blitz '99
Double Dragon
Arcade
Dragon Force
Saturn
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
PC
Mega Man 2
NES
Quake
PC
Bionic Commando
NES
Heroes of Might and Magic II: The Succession Wars
PC
Grim Fandango
PC
Wipeout XL
PS
Mortal Kombat II
Arcade
Final Fantasy Tactics
PS
X-COM: UFO Defense
PC
Fallout
PC
Tecmo Bowl
NES
Counter-Strike
PC
Twisted Metal 2
PS
Super Mario World
Super NES
Pac-Man
Nearly everything
Tetris
Nearly everything
Star Control II
PC
Street Fighter II: The World Warrior
Arcade
Starcraft and Starcraft: Brood War
PC
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Nintendo 64
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
PS
Lode Runner
Atari 400/800/1200XL

fazstp 05-19-2008 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix_MC (Post 470604)
Defender (1980)

I used to love playing Defender in the arcades but man I sucked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix_MC (Post 470604)
Lode Runner

Lode Runner was cool too. I have a vague memory of playing this on my mono-orange screened MicroBee.

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 08:09 PM

What is that, the "awesomest games of all time" list?

Felix_MC 05-19-2008 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 470615)
What is that, the "awesomest games of all time" list?

It's actually the Greatest Games of All Times List, from Gamespot.com, and it took me like 10 minutes to remove all the comments and dates from the list :p

Anti 05-19-2008 09:36 PM

Wild shot in the dark at Mikey-San's description, but I'm going to try Bioshock.

(Unsure of what time "a while back" is...)

tlarkin 05-19-2008 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti (Post 470633)
Wild shot in the dark at Mikey-San's description, but I'm going to try Bioshock.

(Unsure of what time "a while back" is...)

bioshock ruled, most original game to come out in a while

fazstp 05-19-2008 10:12 PM

Wouldn't be that 3D Xbox version of Oddworld?

I was pretty cut that it was exclusive to Xbox until I actually saw the game in play and realised I wasn't missing anything.

I meant Munch's Oddysee not Stranger's Wrath. Show's how out of touch I am, I didn't even know Stranger's Wrath had been released.

Mikey-San 05-19-2008 11:58 PM

Bioshock: The Fountainhead + Zombie AI

(Bioshock's camera was just fine. Are you sure you weren't playing Daikatana, Anti?)

Edit: Don't get me wrong. Bioshock was a great game, but the AI just wasn't impressive.

roncross@cox.net 05-20-2008 12:03 AM

It's Marble Blast, the Camera Rocks!

KAN 05-20-2008 01:47 AM

Could it be from anything on Nintendo?? Maybe GB or GBA (not SP)?

kel101 05-20-2008 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti (Post 470582)
Since tlarkin's post started a bit of something on the quality of games, I wanted to throw something in.

What ever happened to the longevity of games? Most of the games I play these days are ones that I can beat in one night. Serious.

I bought GRAW for the 360. One night and it was down. Same with God of War. There are a few others, but the names escape me at the moment.

What ever happened to games like Final Fantasy 7 or Xenogears, where you could easily empty upwards of 75 hours into it?

Not even today's RPGs last that long.

Well im not into rpgs (waste of time imo) but oblivion was very long... and theres fallout 3 coming with like 200 different endings and fable 2

Its because no one wants to play a 50 hour hack an slash game, just gets boring and its hard say for something like GOW to keep the amazing story going for that long

tlarkin 05-20-2008 09:35 AM

I started playing fallout 1 last night to get me pumped for fallout 3. I used a character editor to make my guy awesome at everything, and I keep doing called shots to enemies groin and eyes......

Then when I get bored I save the game, then run around and kill everyone in town by punching them in the crotch for lots of damage....

Man, I love fallout

kel101 05-20-2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlarkin (Post 470734)
I started playing fallout 1 last night to get me pumped for fallout 3. I used a character editor to make my guy awesome at everything, and I keep doing called shots to enemies groin and eyes......

Then when I get bored I save the game, then run around and kill everyone in town by punching them in the crotch for lots of damage....

Man, I love fallout

I guess id appreciate rpgs like fallout if i had the time to invest in them..


Mikey is it... a long running franchise or a one of game...

Im gonna hazard a guess at a sonic game..

Mikey-San 05-20-2008 11:37 AM

Sorry guys, I ate the cookie this morning on the train to work. This thread is now about how the Wii outsold all of its competitors' consoles, including the PSP, combined for the month of April.

kel101 05-21-2008 03:04 AM

true, but the ps3 has been outselling the 360 for the last couple of months, :)

I think the wii sales will begin to die down (unless they have a new big exclusive announced at e3)

Like dan houser said in an interview F@*& the casual gamer :)

Anti 05-21-2008 05:10 AM

The Wii and DS have proved that innovation beats sheer CPU/GPU grunt, as Sony would like you to believe. :P

tlarkin 05-21-2008 11:01 AM

random video game related youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wUq8B3HG3c&NR=1

Mikey-San 05-21-2008 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kel101 (Post 470977)
true, but the ps3 has been outselling the 360 for the last couple of months, :)

Barely. Still nowhere near the Wii.

Quote:

I think the wii sales will begin to die down (unless they have a new big exclusive announced at e3)
People have been saying this since the Wii's launch. You still can't get one at the Nintendo World Store unless you wait in line early.

Quote:

Like dan houser said in an interview F@*& the casual gamer :)
Why? What's wrong with those gamers? Do they somehow prevent you from playing Call of Duty? Sounds like a pretty stupid thing to say, honestly.

tlarkin 05-21-2008 12:26 PM

I am a casual gamer. I don't spend hours of my life each day playing games, because to me it is a waste. A good game may suck me in for a few hours in a row here and there, and the occasional long gaming session. Even GTA4, I have maybe played 10 hours total since release. I just lose interest when the it is just a rehash. The game is amazing in many aspects but it can't suck me in.

I go back to classics, like Fallout. There is no other game out there like it. When they remake X-COM I may get excited.

I would much prefer a game I can just pick up and waste an hour playing it and not have to commit my time like it was a second job playing it.

Mikey-San 05-21-2008 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti (Post 470997)
The Wii and DS have proved that innovation beats sheer CPU/GPU grunt, as Sony would like you to believe. :P

Totally. The DS doesn't actually have a lot of power under the hood, but it's a killer system (and has sold as such) because it's accessible, innovative, and has a ton of really great titles that appeal to all kinds of different gamers. It's basically a license to print money. :)

You can't turn a bad script into a good movie, and a crappy game isn't made good by stronger hardware.

Mikey-San 05-21-2008 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlarkin (Post 471067)
I am a casual gamer. I don't spend hours of my life each day playing games, because to me it is a waste. A good game may suck me in for a few hours in a row here and there, and the occasional long gaming session. Even GTA4, I have maybe played 10 hours total since release. I just lose interest when the it is just a rehash. The game is amazing in many aspects but it can't suck me in.

I go back to classics, like Fallout. There is no other game out there like it. When they remake X-COM I may get excited.

I would much prefer a game I can just pick up and waste an hour playing it and not have to commit my time like it was a second job playing it.

When people say "casual gamer", they typically refer to the casual gaming segment of the market that is comprised of things like Zuma, card games, Cooking Mama, etc. Just FYI for the rest of the discussion. (I'm not sure if you meant to call Fallout or X-COM casual games. You might not have been.)

The rise of the casual gaming market has eclipsed every other corner of gaming. Zuma/Luxor outsells most game shelves combined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_game

tlarkin 05-21-2008 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 471069)
When people say "casual gamer", they typically refer to the casual gaming segment of the market that is comprised of things like Zuma, card games, Cooking Mama, etc. Just FYI for the rest of the discussion. (I'm not sure if you meant to call Fallout or X-COM casual games. You might not have been.)

The rise of the casual gaming market has eclipsed every other corner of gaming. Zuma/Luxor outsells most game shelves combined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_game

Ah i see, I don't get all the casual games. The one thing I hate about my Wii is the fact that most of the games are just a bunch of mini games bundled in one game. That i am not really into.

Zelda and Metroid are amazing though. I guess when I say casual is that I maybe only buy and play a dozen or less games per a year (less actually for the most part) where as when I was a teen/early20s I bought a few games per a month.

If fallout 3 sucks I will lose even more faith.

kel101 05-21-2008 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlarkin (Post 471079)
Ah i see, I don't get all the casual games. The one thing I hate about my Wii is the fact that most of the games are just a bunch of mini games bundled in one game. That i am not really into.


Exactly games like that are bad for the industry, i mean whats the point of investing 4 years and millions of dollars in a game, where you can make 5 or 6 mini game games for a fraction of the cost and sell just as much. It means the games become more and more generic and loose originality

tlarkin 05-21-2008 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kel101 (Post 471203)
Exactly games like that are bad for the industry, i mean whats the point of investing 4 years and millions of dollars in a game, where you can make 5 or 6 mini game games for a fraction of the cost and sell just as much. It means the games become more and more generic and loose originality

Or they are just the same thing recycled over and over again hence my GTA4 comment....

Mikey-San 05-21-2008 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kel101 (Post 471203)
Exactly games like that are bad for the industry, i mean whats the point of investing 4 years and millions of dollars in a game, where you can make 5 or 6 mini game games for a fraction of the cost and sell just as much. It means the games become more and more generic and loose originality

Sorry, don't buy it. Used to work for a casual game company.

Luxor and Cooking Mama didn't put a dent in Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, any Final Fantasy game in the last 5 years, WoW, or Gears of War. My mother and girlfriend don't care about those games, and wouldn't buy them anyway, regardless of the existence of casual games. Either you end up with two markets that don't cross over, or you have the kinds of people who buy multiple games in a given period of time. And of course, some companies flood the gaming shelves with low-rent crap, but they weren't going to make triple-A titles to begin with.

If anything, casual gaming is good for the games industry as a whole, because it puts more systems out there, demonstrates that gaming isn't just for greasy nerds pretending to be blue female orcs on the Internet with other greasy nerds pretending to be blue female orcs, and helps finance other titles made by companies who also make casual games. (Trust me on this one.)

Everyone deriding the casual game market needs to stop. It's a good thing.

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Or they are just the same thing recycled over and over again hence my GTA4 comment....
We get it already. You don't think any game is good unless it's a breakthrough of originality. You also hate GTA IV. ;)

tlarkin 05-22-2008 12:27 AM

No Mikey, I hate it when developers get lazy and add reptitive content. While, I am dogging on GTA4, it is not that it is a bad game, I just personally felt it could have been better.

I still play it.

kel101 05-22-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tlarkin (Post 471268)
No Mikey, I hate it when developers get lazy and add reptitive content. While, I am dogging on GTA4, it is not that it is a bad game, I just personally felt it could have been better.

I still play it.

to be fair though, this was R*'s first go at next gen, hopefully the next version will be more to your liking, more revolutionary, and hopefully a solid frame rate


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