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I don't want to say that the wifi owner shouldn't take action to protect themselves. They should, but the fact that they haven't done so does not give permission to abuse their naivety. |
I think cwtnospam got it in one simple phrase -- "... the fact that they haven't done so does not give permission to abuse their naivety." My view exactly.
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However, with the wifi, the laptop is asking permission to connect, and the router is granting it. In the absence of any hacking, permission to connect is explicitly being granted by the router (all this I am assuming because I don't really understand wireless networking). The router, behaving according to how it was configured, is playing an active role in not just allowing, but establishing the connection, maintaining it, and serving as a go between for the laptop and whatever server it wants to connect to. Computer hardware "talks" to each other, but a dumb electrical socket or water faucet can't grant permission, so unless you had a sign saying "Permission is granted to anyone who wants to take water" hanging from the tap, I would say it is off limits - it would not be necessary to have a sign saying "don't take my water". |
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I think the law varies enough that where you're from it may not be that he acted illegally, but in many places, and most importantly, where he was caught, he was acting illegally. Just as it is in the wifi owner's best interest to know how to secure their network, it's a good idea to know the law before logging into an unsecured hotspot. |
Parking in a handicap spot does no one any harm most of the time because others are often unoccupied. If, by chance, having lived in a cave, you didn't know what the white wheelchair/stick figure on a blue field meant, you'd still get a ticket. Ignorance of the law is no defense.
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Your quote, "Some local ordinances do not require any prior notice at all," has been taken out of context. That's a little disingenuous, don't you think? You neglected to add the preceding passage. To be honest, I expected better from you, sir. Allow me to clarify. I'll even leave your quote in for clarity. Quoting your source (emphasis mine): Quote:
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The bottom line is that you can't say "well the router was okay with it" and pretend like it's a legal defense. That doesn't stand up to moral or legal reasoning. The real question here is whether or not someone's naivety should be factored in when considering the legality or morality of a decision. If someone doesn't know any better and you take advantage of them, is that right? I tend to think it isn't, and I've noticed two other posts that agree with me. |
J. Christopher-- You seem to be pretty good at research, can you tell us if the FCC has anything to say about taking someone elses signals. They are in control of all signals in the air (in America anyway)...
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I think J Christopher's point about trespass is well taken in most places. Hunters in Nova Scotia can hunt in any woods that are not posted against it. You cannot own a natural body of water in Nova Scotia and you cannot prevent fishermen or wardens from crossing your fields to get to lakes and streams provided they do no damage.
Folks routinely enter your property to knock at your front door. My postman has been cutting across my lawn for years, but I don't want to piss him off and I know he has standing orders to take the shortest path between front doors. Cell phone jammers are illegal here in Canada (and I suspect, in the US too) because you are not permitted to trespass on the public airwaves except for the purpose for which they are licensed. They're available in Japan (and I'd dearly love to have one for use in restaurants, and for when the idiot in front of me sits idling at the now green light while fiddling with their phone). But that's another story, perhaps another thread. :) But then we aren't really talking about trespass here, are we? We're talking about using someone else's resource without their permission even if we do no "harm". |
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What I had said was that if you "cross the lawn to plug your extension cord or hose in, and that can certainly be added to the charges." Basically, you've done harm, and you can be charged with trespassing even if there was no sign. The amount of harm isn't important either, so the whole argument about whether or not the wifi owner felt the harm is immaterial. Some of the bandwidth is taken for the interloper's purposes, so there is harm, however small, and hence trespassing.* *I am not a lawyer in Michigan, or any other state. All claims subject to judicial review. All information provided for entertainment purposes only. Do not attempt this at home. Do not attempt this at some one else's home. Do not use Sunshield while driving. Do not operate heavy machinery... |
My home internet connection is distributed to the home LAN by a wireless/wired router. I always make sure to encrypt the wireless part using WPA-PSK with a complex password, because otherwise, our neighbors *inevitably* tap in to our internet connection - usually within a few hours, but sometimes just within a few minutes.
Of course, if I had my druthers, I would be using Flashdist on a Soekris with IPSec encryption to ensure network integrity - but I don't really have the resources or the time for that at the moment… |
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I'm not sure what their stand on the topic is. I've not looked into it. |
Given the fact that most home users aren't even aware that wireless routers need or even have security options, I doubt that a judge would recognize a network in basically the default configuration as being tacit consent. If every router made forced you to go through a security "setup wizard" by default, then there would be some basis for claiming consent if it were left open.
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Also, most judges don't like their time wasted with frivolous lawsuits, and likely won't recognize damages that amount to only a few cents. |
If it were only about one wifi setup, I'd agree. The problem is that if something isn't done, this can easily become a big problem. What happens if it is legally ok to interlope on any wifi that isn't secure? How do you police a situation in which you can't stop a real criminal from interloping until and unless you catch him in some criminal activity? It would be exponentially harder to catch him.
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