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Mikey-San 10-03-2006 11:57 PM

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Stack, heap and port are not used outside the programming community
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Jay Carr 10-04-2006 12:58 AM

I've decided that I'm post-modern, so I'm going to use viri. Anyone who can't understand what viri means please PM and I will translate it for you ;).

Just kidding. Language is really important to me too (even though, frankly, I suck at it). If I'd known that viruses was common usage, I would have used it. I just didn't know. Now can we all just get along and make stupid comments about scam artists?:o

ArcticStones 10-04-2006 02:16 AM

Viri = Men
 
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Originally Posted by Zalister (Post 325597)
I've decided that I'm post-modern, so I'm going to use viri. Anyone who can't understand what viri means please PM and I will translate it for you ;).

Sure, I know what viri means – it’s plural for "man". :D

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
viri is already used in Latin as the plural of vir, meaning "man" (thus making viri mean "men")


Jay Carr 10-04-2006 02:47 AM

Ah, but remember, there can be similar words in two different languages that mean entirely different things. For example "payday" means the day one receives their check in English (or at least in America), but if you say it with a French accent, and you say it in France, I have it on good authority that you just might offend everyone in the room.

Hence, since your using latin and I'm using English (which isn't even a romance language for the love of mike) I think I will take the meaning of viri into my own hands. Thus from now on it will mean "any and all software designed with microsoft's standards, to be microsoft-esque. Eg. 'Windows is a horrible Viri'" And since I'm post-modern, I accept no arguments against my interpretation. So there :).

(For the curious, I'm being fascicious, I have nothing against Microsoft, but slamming Apple didn't feel right...)

acme.mail.order 10-04-2006 08:26 AM

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Stack, heap and port are not used outside the programming community
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I can't tell if you're serious or not. Please tell me you aren't.
Please provide an example of a computer-using office secretary, salesman, accountant, lawyer or soccer mom who can explain the difference between stack and heap as they relate to modern computing.

ArcticStones 10-04-2006 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by acme.mail.order (Post 325643)
Stack, heap and port are not used outside the programming community…

You’re very wrong.

Stack is used in the library sciences, as well as for other physical archival/storage systems, by gamblers, and even by the snowboarding community. In the appropriate factory, it refers to the vertical exhaust pipe of a trailer (lorry).

Port is a precise term – although with differing meanings – when used by enologists and wine critics, by sailors, drill sergeants and Scottish architectural students.

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Originally Posted by Zalister
I think I will take the meaning of viri into my own hands. Thus from now on it will mean "any and all software designed with microsoft's standards, to be microsoft-esque.

Some years ago, I contacted a company called Support Plus with a question about MS Word. My contact there replied rather tersely: “Sorry, but we don’t offer support for viruses. And we consider Microsoft software to be viruses.” ;)
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Mikey-San 10-04-2006 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by acme.mail.order (Post 325643)
Please provide an example of a computer-using office secretary, salesman, accountant, lawyer or soccer mom who can explain the difference between stack and heap.

You're not even making sense at this point. Please go back and re-read the entire thread and see why I made the comparison between dual-use words.

I mean, you are aware that words in the English language tend to have multiple meanings across different areas of use, right? If you drop "virus" from computer science just because the medical community had it first, you should also drop the examples I listed. Sailors have been using "port" for hundreds of years, after all.

acme.mail.order 10-04-2006 09:18 AM

Yes, I know about all of those. :D
What I'm not explaining well late at night is that the use of those terms are so different from the computing uses that the overlap is of little consequence. People searching for 'stack' in a programming context will have fewer issues separating that meaning from the 'neat vertical arrangement' or exhaust pipe meaning. Just like 'port' as the opposite of 'starboard' is sufficiently esoteric that an alcoholic wine expert won't get too many mixed results. The related keywords for virii malicious code have much in common with the biological counterpart, and both have a huge volume of information available.

NovaScotian 10-04-2006 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey-San (Post 325268)
The plural of "virus" is "viruses".

http://spl.haxial.net/viruses.html

The word 'virus' means poisonous secretion of snakes/creatures/plants; acrid element, and its plural in Latin is viri. Some folks can't resist using the latin version although you are correct, Mikey - in English, it's viruses. Similarly we say alias (which means other, another; different, changed; as an adjective, and at/in another time/place; previously, subsequently; elsewhere; otherwise as an adverb, but who ever heard of alii - that's the latin plural form - we all say aliases. No such word as hippopotomi, either, although I've seen it; I think it's a Greek combination meaning river horse.

Enough....

hayne 10-04-2006 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaScotian (Post 325787)
its plural in Latin is viri.

Um, you have a credible reference for that?
It doesn't seem likely that you do since the rather extensive discussion already referenced above in this thread (e.g. the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_virus and the documents referred to there) all say that "viri" is definitely not correct.

NovaScotian 10-04-2006 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hayne (Post 325789)
Um, you have a credible reference for that?
It doesn't seem likely that you do since the rather extensive discussion already referenced above in this thread (e.g. the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_virus and the documents referred to there) all say that "viri" is definitely not correct.

I looked in a dictionary of Latin words from my youth. It gave viri as the plural of virus, and as the plural of vir - husband, etc. I find the same definitions in Latin WORDS. To quote them:

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vir.i N 2 3 GEN S M
vir.i N 2 3 NOM P M
vir.i N 2 3 VOC P M
vir, viri N M [XXXAX]
man; husband; hero; person of courage, honor, and nobility;
vir.i N 2 1 GEN S N
virus, viri N N [XXXAO]
venom (sg.), poisonous secretion of snakes/creatures/plants; acrid element;
vir.i N 2 2 GEN S N
virum, viri N N [GBXDK] NeoLatin lesser
virus;
vir.i N 3 3 DAT S F Late
vir.i N 3 3 ABL S F
vis, viris N F [XXXAX]
strength (bodily) (pl.), force, power, might, violence; resources; large body;
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ArcticStones 10-04-2006 10:01 PM

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On a somewhat related note – to the interesting tangent we’re on – there is this interesting article on BBC "Geekspeak still baffles web users".

Best regards,
ArcticStones

Jay Carr 10-05-2006 12:09 AM

w00t, l337 roxor. ...3\/3n th0u|-| t3h 4r+1cl3 4i|\|'+ 'b0u+ t|-|4t... Oh well.

ThreeDee 10-05-2006 09:01 PM

Even though the article isn't about that?

Anyway, the scam site is down.

And while your at it, report your scam sites to phishing-test@mozilla.com

Jay Carr 10-06-2006 12:11 AM

I said that the article wasn't about it! Didn't you read my post? (I think I'm sooo funny.)

fredmark 10-11-2006 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by acme.mail.order (Post 325578)
Stack, heap and port are not used outside the programming community

Am I in the wrong reality?

Jay Carr 10-12-2006 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fredmark (Post 327201)
Am I in the wrong reality?


Yes, if you check your software updater you'll notice that Apple recently came out with Reality v2.1.132. If you can't understand the gibberish then I would suggest getting the update ;).


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