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solipsism 08-11-2006 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fat elvis
We've trained them to use the servers to backup their data...since most data loss is due to a crashed hard drive. TimeMachine wont do diddly for that. TM only covers your arse from user error.

Perhaps this is just a lofty assumption, but I assume Time Machine will allow for network backups and have an option to do a full restore should you main HDD die.

tlarkin 08-11-2006 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by solipsism
Perhaps this is just a lofty assumption, but I assume Time Machine will allow for network backups and have an option to do a full restore should you main HDD die.

it actually says it can back up to a server

but be sure to read the fine print...

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All features referenced in the Mac OS X Leopard Sneak Peek are subject to change

snowjay 08-11-2006 10:47 PM
I use ChronoSync for backups. It has an archive feature so when I backup something that has changed it moves the old version to an archive folder. So if I need to roll back I can easily. There is also a time set to purge archived files.

I'm not clear if Time Machine is taking that approach, or is it more like the old Salvage utility from NetWare? Salvage would scour the hard drive for old versions of files, but they would not be visible otherwise, so they really didn't take up HD space, the blocks were marked as free but Salvage would read them anyway and display old versions of files.

hayne 08-11-2006 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fat elvis
I'm building Macs for Photoshop users with 3 GB files. They only check their email once or twice per day, and stay in Photoshop all day long. When they ask me how this new software will benefit them I just shrug.
Well, like any user, they might benefit from things like being able to retrieve an email message that they deleted last week only to realize today that the email message might have contained useful info for today's task.

And how much (in $ terms) are those 3 GB Photoshop files worth to the company? How long do they work on each of those files? How much does a terabyte drive cost ? (I.e. a drive big enough to hold 300 of those 3 GB files) Maybe buying more disk space would be a cost-saving move for the company?
Isn't it conceivable that it might be valuable to be able to revert to a previous version of one of those files? E.g. the one from yesterday morning at 10 am, or the one from just before quitting time last Christmas.

And if Adobe were to incorporate Time Machine features into PhotoShop, it's quite likely that the disk space required to store multiple versions of an image file could be decreased dramatically.

Jay Carr 08-12-2006 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by hayne
Well, like any user, they might benefit from things like being able to retrieve an email message that they deleted last week only to realize today that the email message might have contained useful info for today's task.

And how much (in $ terms) are those 3 GB Photoshop files worth to the company? How long do they work on each of those files? How much does a terabyte drive cost ? (I.e. a drive big enough to hold 300 of those 3 GB files) Maybe buying more disk space would be a cost-saving move for the company?
Isn't it conceivable that it might be valuable to be able to revert to a previous version of one of those files? E.g. the one from yesterday morning at 10 am, or the one from just before quitting time last Christmas.

And if Adobe were to incorporate Time Machine features into PhotoShop, it's quite likely that the disk space required to store multiple versions of an image file could be decreased dramatically.
Are you sure you can load a previous version of a save? That would eat up drive space like nobodies business, you'd need more than a couple servers just for one person! I somehow doubt it keeps track of ever last save.

I do think it would be cool if they would save the changes to a multilayered project in Photoshop though. It would be nice to be able to undo changes from the last session (do they already do this? Maybe I've been beaten to the punch :). )

ThreeBKK 08-12-2006 05:16 AM
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One thing I will agree with though, I don't like how Apple will sometimes skip on improving current features in order to be more 'innovative'. I like spotlight, but honestly, it needs some work.
Spotlight is being upgraded with the release of Leopard. It looks like it's going to be awesome at that. During the keynote Scott Forstall mentioned being able to launch apps, find recent items, it'll have advanced search capabilities, and it's going to have the missing features which Finder's search currently has. Looking at the Spotlight section of Apple's Leopard preview I see some very tempting new features on the horizon.

As Bertrand Serlet mentioned, a lot of the technologies that Vista promises have not only been available to Mac customers for one, two, or more OS releases, they "have already iterated several times". The first Spotlight was good, and it gave third party developers a chance to incorporate new ideas and new twists. The next Spotlight is going to be killer.

I have been forced to use Windows search from time to time. It never came close to the speed and ease of use that Spotlight offers. Apple is all about the graphical user interface experience. The GUI is why I decided to go with Apple rather than Windows/PC.

In terms of copying, I think that the features offered in both platforms have to be similar, but Windows is trying to copy Apple's GUI and graphical style (unsuccessfully). That was the big message that was trying to be conveyed in the Keynote. Apple's GUI and their graphical approach are being blatantly ripped off by Microsoft.

MBHockey 08-12-2006 09:53 AM
Zalister, it was my impression that it won't keep track of every save, but rather there will be a scheduled daily automatic backup (at midnight by default) so it shouldn't eat up that much disk space, however, it seems you will also not be able to recover something that you overwrite in between the times that it backs up.

That was my impression at least.

fat elvis 08-12-2006 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tlarkin
except NT 4.0 was a pain to configure and you had to always type in full pathing for everything you wanted to do.

I agree though, too bad there aren't a lot of UI tweaks you can do in OS X.
HAHA, yeah, NT 4.0 had it's quirks. When I started using it I had a SCSI setup with an onboard Adaptec controller. It took me about 2-weeks to get it up and running. The install disk didn't support the controller yet, even the option to specify an alternative device driver was unsucessful. In the end I installed Win95, then installed NT 4.0 choosing the option to copy the files locally. Then I copied the correct drivers but renamed it to the default Adaptec driver name. The main reason I had a PC in the first place was for 3D Studio Mac...but now that Maya avail for the Mac I no longer need one in the house.

I think that was a good point in the MS OS lineup. You could choose between basically two options...a workstation, or a multimedia system. Now, much like the state of web design, they try to cram everything into one package and just pile on more stuff when that doesn't work.



ehem....time to voice my angst in prose......


O Apple! my Apple! our fearful trip is done;
The mothership has weather'd every bug, the prize we sought is neigh;
The port is near, the bells and whistles I hear, the bells, too many bells,
While follow eyes the fancy features, the vessel grim and sinking:
But O Stevsie! Stevsie! Stevsie!
O the bleeding drops of rainbow apple juice,
Where on the dock my productive OS lies,
Fallen cold and dead.

ThreeBKK 08-12-2006 04:20 PM
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ehem....time to voice my angst in prose......
Dude, are you just upset because they compared Microsoft to an Elvis impersonator in the keynote?

fat elvis 08-13-2006 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeBKK


Dude, are you just upset because they compared Microsoft to an Elvis impersonator in the keynote?
HAHA, nah...I didn't even watch the keynote. Just for some reason I thought of Dead Poets Society when I was writing that reply.

ThreeBKK 08-14-2006 12:35 PM
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I didn't even watch the keynote
I'm going to pretend I didn't hear you say that. ;)

You have to at least watch the part where Bertrand Serlet gets up on stage. It's so–damn–hilarious.

solipsism 08-14-2006 04:22 PM
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You have to at least watch the part where Bertrand Serlet gets up on stage. It's so–damn–hilarious.
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"If you can't innovate; then immitate."

pantherman13 08-14-2006 04:40 PM
did Bertrand have a stroke?

ThreeBKK 08-14-2006 04:58 PM
What exactly was the Winterfest debacle? Something to do with Microsoft or Vista or what?

hayne 08-14-2006 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeBKK
What exactly was the Winterfest debacle? Something to do with Microsoft or Vista or what?
You misheard - he was referring to WinFS

ThreeBKK 08-14-2006 06:00 PM
Ah yes, thanks for the info. I had no idea what he was talking about. After reading the wiki article it all makes sense now.

ThreeBKK 08-17-2006 04:29 PM
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did Bertrand have a stroke?
No, he's just French. They speak like that.
(Just kidding Voldenuit.)
Seriously, what makes you think that he may have had a stroke?

pantherman13 08-17-2006 05:29 PM
I know hes French.

To me, it looked like his face was uneven. One of his eyes looked alot lower than the other.

Jay Carr 08-18-2006 02:34 PM
ThreeBKK- Yeah, and I've seen those upgrades. Honestly, I think I'll just have to postpone judgement until I know if they fixed the one thing I really don't like about my spotlight window. The complete inability of the stupid thing to act like a finder window. Sometimes I search for files just so that I can move them, and I wish I could just right click the stupid...thing...hold on a second...

Oh, I see.

I just decided to try hitting the command key to reveal the location of files you find in Spotlight, and it works. Don't I feel stupid. The moral of the story, don't be stupid.

Okay, I still stand by my original assertion. I think Apple needs to spend a little more time on refinement. But, I have to admit, they have done more of it than I give them credit for.

ThreeBKK 08-18-2006 03:03 PM
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Sometimes I search for files just so that I can move them, and I wish I could just right click…
Great, you've found one way by yourself. I should let you know that you can also press command+R just like in iTunes to "reveal" the original file in the Finder. If you have a multi-button mouse you can also right click.

Also try running through the Finder>help>what's new in Tiger?>Spotlight menu. Be sure you are connected to the internet. It's a very useful tool and it's laid out more like a simple tutorial than a help guide. I use it from time to time to learn things I didn't know about software I use every day.


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