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claudia25 08-06-2006 04:09 PM

Guys, PLEASE !!! I'm sorry, I don't understand a word you are saying :) :o :) :o :)
It's so nice that you are trying to help me, but ...
what good will it do if I force myself to do this by myself? It's just not the way my brain works :p It's scaring me to rummage around in my system!

I will find a nice admin, and THEN I will sit back and relax and watch him fix my problem. Hey, these guys need to earn money, too.

hayne 08-06-2006 05:09 PM

You have presumably been using the "Console" application to look at the logs.
In the "Console" application, there is a button at the top-left corner that is labeled "Logs" (in the English version).

Click on the "Logs" button and a section of the window showing some folder names with little black triangles will appear.
Go into the ~/Library/Logs section (by clicking on the appropriate little black triangle) and then into the CrashReporter section.
Under the CrashReporter section you should see the realMYST crash log.

Copy & paste back here the last portion of that crash log - the part that gives details about the last crash or just attach the whole log file to your next post by using the "Manage Attachments" button (at the bottom when you reply).

claudia25 08-07-2006 01:53 AM

I found it, but it's huge. I made sure that it's only the log from one launch attempt (I deleted everything and then tried to launch the game, and all this data showed up immediately)
I tried to attach it, but it's almost 600 KB. Do you really want me to post it here?

hayne 08-07-2006 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by claudia25
I found it, but it's huge. I made sure that it's only the log from one launch attempt (I deleted everything and then tried to launch the game, and all this data showed up immediately)

I think when you clear the log in the Console application, it doesn't actually delete anything - it just removes it from view. It is still there in the file.
The best thing would be to copy the section of the crach log that shows the last crash and then paste it into a text editor like TextEdit and save that file and post it.
Quote:

I tried to attach it, but it's almost 600 KB. Do you really want me to post it here?
I think 600 KB will exceed the allowable size for attachments to forum postings. If you don't extract just the last portion from the log, maybe you could try compressing the log file by going into the enclosing folder in Finder (the folder is called "Logs" and is under the "Library" folder in your home folder) and then selecting the crash log and using the menu item "Create Archive of ..." from Finder's "File" menu. That will create a ".zip" file that should be a lot smaller in size.

claudia25 08-07-2006 02:44 AM

1 Attachment(s)
ok.
I attached a .zip file.

hayne 08-07-2006 03:59 AM

From that crash log, I can see that it is crashing while trying to load preferences.
Usually the preferences for an application are stored in a file named after the application and in the folder ~/Library/Preferences
( ~ = your home folder)
Look in that folder to see if there is a file named after the game and if so, remove it, then try again to launch the game.

But if this was the problem, I would have expected it to work when you logged in as a different user since that user wouldn't have any preference file for the game yet.

One thing that is somewhat strange (and might be a clue) is the "Path" listed for this application in the crash log. It is listed as:
/MacPlay Games/realMYST/realMYST
which seems to indicate that it is under a folder "MacPlay Games" which is at the very top level of the drive.
Usually applications on OS X are not installed at the top level of the drive - they usually go into the /Applications folder.

It might help us to understand something if you showed us a screen capture of the MacPlay folder in Finder.
You do this by holding down the Shift and Command (Apple) keys and then pressing the 4 key and then sweeping out the area to be captured with the mouse. The image file (named "Picture1") will be put on the Desktop.
You can attach this image file to your next post using the "manage Attachments" button as before.

claudia25 08-07-2006 04:17 AM

I found a file in the preferences folder named

com.macplay.realmyst.plist

I deleted it, and then tried to launch the game, but it was the same as ever.

Then I took a screenshot of my finder, but the file is too big to upload. I used my newly-learned skills ;) to compress it into a .zip file, but it's still too big. How can I make it smaller?

But I understand what you wrote (I guess) and can confirm that a MacPlayFolder is at the top level of the drive.

hayne 08-07-2006 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by claudia25
Then I took a screenshot of my finder, but the file is too big to upload. I used my newly-learned skills ;) to compress it into a .zip file, but it's still too big. How can I make it smaller?

Maybe just take a screenshot of a smaller area. If it doesn't show enough, then take two separate, slightly overlapping screenshots.
Otherwise you could reduce the quality of the image using an image-processing application like "Graphic Converter" (www.lemkesoft.com) to make the file smaller in size.

voldenuit 08-07-2006 04:33 AM

It might help if you drag and drop the MacPlayFolder into the "Programme" (Applications in german) folder, ditch the prefs file once more, then give it another try.

claudia25 08-07-2006 04:48 AM

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I dragged the MacPlayFolder into the applications folder, but I could not find that preferences file again. I mean, I looked in the right place, but it's not there anymore.

I tried to launch the game again, but without success.

so - should I put the MacPlayFolder back, or can it stay in the applications folder?

Here are the screenshots I took before I moved the MacplayFolder. As you can see, there are other games there, too. Those run ok.

ThreeBKK 08-09-2006 01:35 AM

[eerie silence and minute sound of crickets chirping in the background]

Hmm…

Quote:

I wrote to macplay for support. That patch is no good for me, because it's meant only for duo-processor macs and certain graphic cards.
Any word back from the publisher MacPlay about possible fixes? Did you apply the patch at all, or did they talk you out of doing so? If you haven't applied it, might as well give it a shot.

claudia25 08-09-2006 01:57 AM

I have not heard from Macplay Games. I can try to send another mail, since they did not even confirm that they received my first one.

Do you really think I should install that patch? Could it perhaps do more harm than good?


(10 Minutes later)

WAY TO GO, MACPLAY !!!

I installed the patch (feeling reckless today ;-) ) and the game runs !!!! ... only for duo-processor-macs, very funny ...

You guys were so great! If only I had tried that patch from the beginning, but I was afraid it could be "dangerous", since it is not meant for my mac ...

Thank you so much for all your help! Maybe I can come back, if I have problems again? :-))

ThreeBKK 08-09-2006 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by claudia25
Myst 5 End of Ages (yes, I am a Myst-addict :o)
Although I was inside the recommended specs, it was practically unplayable on my system, even with the lowest graphics settings and classic point-and-click navigation.

I found this post on the IMG forums:
http://www.insidemacgames.com/forum/...18&hl=realMyst

Apparently, Myst V is a real-time 3D game, and it takes a lot of processing power to run smoothly. All of the other Myst games (except realMyst) use pre-rendered graphics.

Several of the posters lament the sluggish gameplay on their G5 machines. Looks like it is a common issue for this game, and even though you have a G5 it may come down to needing a really expensive graphics card to run smoothly. As usual, check for any updaters or patches. Those can often boost performance way up.

ThreeBKK 08-09-2006 02:21 AM

Well, installing the patch isn't going to break anything. You have all of the original CDs and the install codes, so you can always re-install if necessary.

Also, I found an article on IMG which I think you should read. It's about the performance of Myst V on G5 machines. Actually, it's part of a larger game review which you can read if you are interested. Basically, the publisher has vastly understated the minimum requirements for Myst V.

http://www.insidemacgames.com/review...?ID=641&Page=4


ThreeBKK 08-09-2006 02:24 AM

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WAY TO GO, MACPLAY !!!

I installed the patch (feeling reckless today ;-) ) and the game runs !!!! ... only for duo-processor-macs, very funny ...

You guys were so great! If only I had tried that patch from the beginning, but I was afraid it could be "dangerous", since it is not meant for my mac ...
Sweet! It works!

claudia25 08-09-2006 02:31 AM

Thank you!

:) :) :)

ThreeBKK 08-09-2006 02:45 AM

Man, I am elated. What a relief to get this resolved. :p

Have fun with the new game!

After you finish realMyst you can go out and buy a new MacBook Pro to run Myst V.

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Maybe I can come back, if I have problems again?
Why wait until you have a problem? The Coat Room is always open for general discussion and various banter.

kingtiger 08-09-2006 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeBKK
Man, I am elated. What a relief to get this resolved. :p

Have fun with the new game!

After you finish realMyst you can go out and buy a new MacBook Pro to run Myst V.

LOL at the MacBook Pro idea.

I am a Myst addict as well, and I actually bought and played Myst V on a Windows computer before I even had my MacBook Pro. It was very resource-intensive (by "resource" I mean CPU & graphics card). You could play it with really, really simplistic graphics, but it's not nearly as much fun. When the Myst V worlds are rendered in real-time with high detail, it's gorgeous. When it works, it's definitely an improvement over the pre-rendered graphics of the previous games.

ThreeBKK 08-09-2006 02:11 PM

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I actually bought and played Myst V on a Windows computer before I even had my MacBook Pro.
So, how did it run on your MacBook Pro? Were you able to crank up the settings, or not? Did it run smoothly enough to enjoy playing?

Monkeyfan31 08-09-2006 06:33 PM

This might sound like a really stupid question, but if it is from a CD, are there any cracks or scratches from production on the CD, OR does the small pattern from the Data on the CD look misfigured, or is it in a very weird, choppy state?
P.S. Myst is a VERY addictive game, if you get it to work, make sure you give yourself many breaks from it, and FIGHT THE URGE, something that I wish I did when I started to play it, and WoW... *twitch*


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