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pantherman13 08-01-2006 11:06 PM

ahhh! only 6 days until the WWDC!
 
I keep thinking about what Steve is going to talk about. And I'm getting so excited.

I'll be catching a flight home about the time that it will be starting, unless it gets grounded. Supposedly, Florida (where I am) is going to be getting a bad storm on Monday.

Any last minute thoughts?

olej24 08-02-2006 09:34 AM

What is WWDC? and who is steve?

Photek 08-02-2006 10:24 AM

I would love to see all the things appearing that have been suggested on the rumor sites.....

8 core Mac Pro's released months ahead of schedule...

iPhone (yes I know there have been rumors of these for 5 years now)

Updated Mini's and iMacs with faster processors...

Would like to see a preview of Leopard... apparently is boots in record quick time...

Would like to see the 'Mac Book Thin' laptop appear too.

:D


Funnily.... Autodesk released Maya 8 this morning.... its optimized for G5 chips!... (just as they are being faded out) and No Intel support is being offered..... No wonder Autocad have such a crap reputaion.:mad:

pantherman13 08-02-2006 11:59 AM

I would love to see an iMac with a Core 2 Duo inside of it.

I am mainly looking forward to Leopard and perhaps a release date.

5 days left!

styrafome 08-02-2006 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photek
Would like to see a preview of Leopard... apparently is boots in record quick time...

They had better be spending their time on other features. I stopped caring about boot times after I began to reboot my Mac only about 3 or 4 times a month.

Carl Stawicki 08-02-2006 01:23 PM

Anyone going beside me? :p

pantherman13 08-02-2006 01:57 PM

do you know what I would really love to see in Leopard?

The ability to open files while they are in the trash.

I hate having to move documents or PDFs or anything out of the trash to see them.

Platypus70 08-02-2006 02:51 PM

My daily workaround for this is to store PDFs and docs that you may want to read in the Documents folder instead of the trash.
Nifty, huh! :cool:

guardian34 08-02-2006 04:34 PM

Great idea Platypus70!

pantherman13 08-02-2006 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platypus70
My daily workaround for this is to store PDFs and docs that you may want to read in the Documents folder instead of the trash.
Nifty, huh! :cool:

well sometimes I delete a bunch of files, then look in the trash before I delete them to make sure they are all trash. Occasionally, I will run into one or two files that I am unsure of what they are or what they contain.

It is a pain, albeit a small one, to have to move it to the desktop, open it, and then, based on whether I will keep it or not, delete it or move it elsewhere.

This only happens to files that are odly named. Of course I have folders that I keep everything valuable in.

Platypus70 08-03-2006 05:07 AM

Yeah, sorry for my trite joke, pantherman -- I couldn't help myself.

In any event... only 4 days to go! I am actually anxiously awaiting it too as my decision to switch to Mac (or when, or which Mac) kinda depends on it...

Photek 08-03-2006 08:56 AM

Quote:

I am actually anxiously awaiting it too as my decision to switch to Mac (or when, or which Mac) kinda depends on it...
I think there are gonna be some faster iMacs being released for you.... if it was me.... (which its not) I would wait for Leopard to be released and buy a new Mac that comes with that included.... and save yourself £90 for a few months wait..

I am gonna hang on for Leopard, a Mac Pro & Adobe CS3 before I switch from my G5 iMac.

Tarik 08-03-2006 09:38 AM

Will this be aired live somewhere?

pantherman13 08-03-2006 10:14 AM

ahhh I'm not sure about aired live, but I can't wait until I can watch on Quicktime later on Monday.

ahhhh! 4 days!

Platypus70 08-03-2006 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photek
I think there are gonna be some faster iMacs being released for you....

That's what I hope, that they put the Core 2 in them. I'm really considering buying the 20'' iMac.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photek
if it was me.... (which its not) I would wait for Leopard to be released and buy a new Mac that comes with that included.... and save yourself £90 for a few months wait..

Yeah, if Leopard will be released within the month I might wait, but I'm not gonna wait until January or so. Because comes January, there might be another reason to wait another two or three months. Etc.

pantherman13 08-03-2006 04:15 PM

In light of this milestone WWDC that is 4 days away, I thought I'd share this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY

Watch how pissed off Bill Gates looks while everyone is booing him. :p

You can tell that Steve is getting angry because of all the booing.

edit: Note what Bill is talking about. For the most part it's just nonsense, but he does say the word transition and says that Office 98 is more advanced then what is being done on Windows.

hmmm...isn't Apple finalizing a transition now?

hmmm...isn't Apple doing things with the desktop computer that is more advanced then what is being done on Windows?

spooky

Jay Carr 08-03-2006 08:46 PM

I really liked that video, gives me a whole new faith in unity. Back in the days before iPods...

It's nice to see just how far we've come, I mean honestly, I almost didn't recognize him without the turtleneck.

pantherman13 08-04-2006 12:43 AM

3 days now guys. :)

marchutch 08-04-2006 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olej24
What is WWDC? and who is steve?


Please, please, please tell me you aren't being serious, and that I am just as gullible as I think I am....

pantherman13 08-04-2006 09:26 AM

what I really want see...
 
Remember at the 2003 WWDC? When Steve showed us fast user switching in Mac OS 10.3?

That was awesome. They way he clicked and the entire screen flipped to the next account. The entire audience was amazed.

Wouldn't it be awesome if they did the same thing with Boot Camp in 10.5? If Steve clicked a button and a moment later, he was in a Windows partition.

It's probably an unrealistic dream, but it would be very cool.

Caius 08-04-2006 09:54 AM

Or even if he just opened some windows only application (Messenger Live?) and it opened and just worked.

Now then I would get very excited. :D

Platypus70 08-04-2006 11:38 AM

Pantherman, I'm really afraid that you will not enjoy even an hour of sleep this weekend.

pantherman13 08-04-2006 06:14 PM

It is going to be very difficult to sleep Sunday doing into Monday, I can tell you that much.

I really want to vist any tech web pages, especially Apple.com, which is my homepage, until after I watch the Stevenote. I would like to be surprised at what is announced.

I think I'll change my homepage until after I watch the Stevenote.

On a simillar note, has anyone seen that list of Leopard features floating around? I think it's silly since I saw no mention of anything Boot Camp, nor did I see any new technologies.

So yeah, I'm really pumped. :)

styrafome 08-04-2006 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olej24
What is WWDC? and who is steve?

You don't know?!?

Monday is the only the long-anticipated date of the World Wrestling Data Crackdown and its reigning champion, Steve "Bad Sector" Superblock will attempt to defend his title!!! I can't wait for some awesome rasslin'!

Oh wait, I'm in the wrong forum...I think this is about the other WWDC...

pantherman13 08-05-2006 12:35 AM

2 days now guys...

ThreeBKK 08-05-2006 09:01 AM

I'm thinking we'll see the last of the PowerPC units become Intelized. The Power Mac has got to be ready for release. I think that the internal volume of the housing will be reduced giving us the smallest Power Mac desktop thus far. Even smaller, even thinner!

I am also really hoping to see some major announcements being made related to Apple and video games. Perhaps related to games on iPod, or Apple partnering with a game development company to release Apple Games.

[And why not an Apple video game console to compete with X-Box?]

ArcticStones 08-05-2006 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photek
I am gonna hang on for Leopard, a Mac Pro & Adobe CS3 before I switch from my G5 iMac.

A number of professional users have pointed to two needs before switching to Intel-embracing Macs:

Adobe’s Creative Suite in Universal
Microsoft Office in Universal

On the software front, I wish those could be expedited. That’s actually far more important than Leopard.

hayne 08-05-2006 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticStones
Adobe’s Creative Suite in Universal
Microsoft Office in Universal

On the software front, I wish those could be expedited. That’s actually far more important than Leopard.

Yeah - but these aren't under Apple's control.
Adobe & Microsoft's business interests are not necessarily aligned with Apple's.

MBHockey 08-05-2006 01:45 PM

It was my impression that Office runs fine in Rosetta. Is this not the case?

I know that Word runs fine. It opens slowly, but once it is up it is fine (Parents new Mac mini).

I could see potential problems with PowerPoint and slides with a lot of graphics though...

Also...let's all cross our fingers for Core 2 Duo MacBook Pros at WWDC...so I can get a new laptop for school! :p

styrafome 08-05-2006 02:04 PM

Aside from performance the benefit of having all-Universal apps is that you do not have to invoke Rosetta and its RAM/CPU footprint. When MS and Adobe get their suites out, you essentially will get back a certain amount of RAM and CPU performance that is now being sucked up by Rosetta to run PPC apps.

Of course you want them all to be Universal, both big and small apps, because if you have just paid x hundred dollars to upgrade Office and Adobe and you think your life is now fine, if you boot just one little tiny PPC utility, Rosetta starts and there goes some RAM and CPU again. Kind of like Classic. So while we need universal versions of Office and Adobe, for the full benefit of Intel, don't forget to dump every last PPC utility you have, too.

Anyone know how many core utilities that ship with OS X are still PPC?

ThreeBKK 08-05-2006 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayne
Adobe & Microsoft's business interests are not necessarily aligned with Apple's.

I agree. Apple's plan of attack seems to be this: Let's put out new hardware/platforms/OS as soon as possible, ahead of schedule, and sit back as third party developers have a heart attack and go scrambling to get their act in gear.

So far this strategy has given third party companies plenty of motivation to keep up and constantly look ahead.

Adobe has had plenty of time to prepare for zero PowerPC architecture day. I think that day will be on the 7th.

Besides, there are still plenty of PowerPC systems still in use that will be valid for years to come. They are still being serviced under AppleCare warranties. No need to continue offering them in the Apple Store. If your software needs revolve around PowerPC you probably already have a system and you'll just need to keep it in operational condition until Adobe CS and others are Univ. Binaries.

guardian34 08-05-2006 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBHockey
Also...let's all cross our fingers for Core 2 Duo MacBook Pros at WWDC...so I can get a new laptop for school! :p

Agreed! :)

pantherman13 08-06-2006 06:22 PM

tomorrow! It's tomorrow! woo-hoo!

pantherman13 08-06-2006 09:58 PM

What time does the conference begin? What is the time frame in which Apple usually puts the conference on their site?

pantherman13 08-06-2006 10:45 PM

Those crazy kids at Apple are at it again!
 
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...7241438&size=l

Very funny.:D

styrafome 08-06-2006 11:09 PM

It's like being a kid on Christmas Eve......

pantherman13 08-06-2006 11:26 PM

No, I actually think I am more excited now then I was on christmas eve.

Now that is saying something about the way Apple presents their new products.

styrafome 08-06-2006 11:57 PM

I think that is because as a fully grown adult, Santa Claus no longer brings me cool stuff.......but Steve Jobs does!

pantherman13 08-07-2006 12:01 AM

like oh my gosh!
 
today is the big day. The WWDC will be upon soon. Well, not really soon, but it's still the 7th.:D

lyndonl 08-07-2006 02:59 AM

It's funny when you live halfway around the world like some of us do.
Today is WWDC but I won't get to see much of it if any until tomorrow.

Its times like this when the concept of Beats time really works

mclbruce 08-07-2006 03:19 AM

long term
 
Here's a few thoughts of what I think might happen after WWDC:

Next year or two: Apple will try to introduce another "home run" product like they did with the iPod. I have no idea what the new product will be. I think it will be successful.

iPod: Apple will continue to put pressure on and extract money from accessory manufacturers. Of course more video emphasis and maybe bluetooth. No big changes in this area.

Computers: Support is the tail that wags the dog here. Apple is already supporting two OS's, X and Classic. They will be content to let Parallels have the glory of running, and supporting, Windows inside of OS X. They will not make a major computer move until the PPC machines drop off of AppleCare.

In three years or so Apple will make it's next big change in the computer area. It will license OS X to other manufacturers and gradually stop making computers itself as OS X sales to other manufacturers pick up. Computer hardware design will be spun off into another company which will attempt to make a go of it designing computers for Dell, Acer, etc.

This explains why Apple's designs today aren't as dramatic as they were in the past. They will continue to push out nice looking but basically boring machines in the next few years, machines that Dell or Acer would be happy to have in their lineup. Apple wants to make it easy for other computer companies make the decision to sell OS X boxes when that time comes. These other companies will be able to go to Intel and order their OS X motherboards just the way they order Windows motherboards, which will be reassuring. They will be able to look at Apple's computer line and see products that are similar to their own running OS X, which will be reassuring.

Basically what Apple is doing now and for the next few years is working the bugs out of the Intel's OS X reference motherboards so that they can be sold to other manufacturers.

Caius 08-07-2006 05:53 AM

Finally someone posted the international times for WWDC.

Quote:

7:00AM - Hawaii
10:00AM - Pacific
11:00AM - Mountain
12:00PM - Central
1:00PM - Eastern
5:00PM - GMT
6:00PM - London
7:00PM - Paris
2:00AM - Tokyo (August 8th)
From http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/06/w...-est-be-there/

marchutch 08-07-2006 07:16 AM

Does anyone know where we can get a live feed of the keynote from?

cheers

Mark

lyndonl 08-07-2006 07:19 AM

there most likely will not be a live feed
there has not been one at a key note in quite a while
however with in a short while you will be able to see it on the apple site they always have the quicktime stream

pantherman13 08-07-2006 07:24 AM

ooo! Scary dream you guys.
 
I am being serious. I really dreamt this last night.

I dreamt it was the readt WWDC, except steve wasn't wearing is trademark turtleneck and jeans, he was wearing some crazy weird suit thing that I think was polkdoted, and he was talking with an english accent. He also said nothing about a Mac Pro, nor did he show Leopard at all and the only thing I saw on the website when I checked (in the dream, of course), was a new Macbook.

Then I woke up and said to myself "Thank goodness that was a dream! Today is the real WWDC."

Photek 08-07-2006 08:52 AM

Quote:

Does anyone know where we can get a live feed of the keynote from?
the last few events were not aired live.... but the event was available only a few hours later.... www.macrumors.com are usually the first to get the feed posted.

I remember watching the switch to intel announcment feed at about 11:30pm to 1am

pantherman13 08-07-2006 09:50 AM

boarding the plane now.

pantherman13 08-07-2006 09:54 AM

I love the way that 7 minutes before the WWDC, the Apple website looks so completey normal, as if nothing is about to happen.

I'll talk to you guys in a few hours.

solipsism 08-07-2006 10:43 AM

Is Jobs presenting today?

MBHockey 08-07-2006 10:47 AM

Yep...we can get our dose of RDF once they put up the stream :)

styrafome 08-07-2006 11:40 AM

If you go to macsurfer.com they always have a list of available transcripts and streams for these events. I usually have several open in tabs because some sites get totally slammed and others do a better job of reporting.

solipsism 08-07-2006 12:19 PM

Mac OS X Leopard: Introducing Vista 2.0
http://images.macnn.com/macnn/wwdc06...WDCleopard.jpg

MBHockey 08-07-2006 12:32 PM

The Apple Store (online) is down!

Come on Core 2 Duo MacBook Pros!!

solipsism 08-07-2006 01:07 PM

IT'S STARTED !!!!!


Among others, HERE is one site with tracnscripts.


Hightlights:
Mac Pro:
- PowerMac is gone, replaced with Mac Pro ("Woodcrest" Xeon and dual-optical drives)
- Mac Pro looks the same (outside) as G5 PowerMac, but inside it's completely different due to less cooling required. Lot sof extra room.
- Minimum: Dual 2.66 Xeon, 1 GB RAM, Geforce 7300 GT (256 MB VRAM), SuperDrive, $2499
- Maximum: All quad, up to 3ghz, 16 GB RAM. 2 TB storage, graphics up to radeon x1900 or FX4500

Xserve:
- Intel transition complete in 210 days
- Xeons
- Small chip means more space so they added a redundant power supply.
- Up to 5x faster than previous Xserve.

Leopard
- Jobs says he can't show a lot of what Leopard has to offer as he doesn't want it photocpied by MS this soon.
- Support for 64 bit applications (can run 32 bit apps side by side with 64 bit - no emulation, no translation)
- Time Machine, app for automated backups with restore and recovery options.
- Next generation of Boot Camp, Front Row and Photo Booth will be built into Leopard.
- Virtual desktops called Spaces (I've been waiting for this feature since I first saw it in Gnome or KDE years ago)
- Spotlight willsupport Boolean expressions
- Mail gets an overhaul, seems to have same features that Outlook eg: notes, to-do list) and various HTML based stationary that you can alter.
- DashCode, developers tool to easiy create complex dashboard widgetseasily.
- Web Clip, user tool in Safari to create widgets from parts of webpages.
- iChat overhaul: multiple logons, voice chat recording, realtime VoIP while displaying slideshow or Keynote via iChat Theater, and differnent backdrops (even video based ones) while doing a video chat.

Other:
- xcode 3.0 released today


MBHockey 08-07-2006 02:29 PM

Ah, no MBP announcement...there's always the next few Tuesdays, though :)

guardian34 08-07-2006 02:31 PM

Store is back up.

Platypus70 08-07-2006 03:37 PM

Is there already video material of the keynote speech available somewhere?

MBHockey 08-07-2006 03:40 PM

Probably later tonight, from the Apple site

solipsism 08-07-2006 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platypus70
Is there already video material of the keynote speech available somewhere?


Go to Apple's website. Everything mentioned is being displayed. The Leopard sneak-peak has several QT video showcasing the new features mentioned.

styrafome 08-07-2006 04:13 PM

Ha ha ha, I just knew everybody rumoring about an Apple phone or Apple tablet was going to be wrong, dead wrong.

I was hoping there would be a better media center though.

guardian34 08-07-2006 04:51 PM

Keynote: http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html

pantherman13 08-07-2006 09:19 PM

was it my imagination, or did Steve look a little thin today?

solipsism 08-07-2006 09:23 PM

was it my imagination, or did [the Leopard demo] look a little thin today. :D

MBHockey 08-07-2006 09:26 PM

i noticed that also.

lostduck 08-07-2006 10:03 PM

I think it's the first time that we have the concurrence of the presentation of a new OS X while MS is in the middle of developing a competing OS. I would have been cautious too.

Caius 08-08-2006 07:57 PM

Its the World Wide Developers conference anyway, they got the Mac Pro and Core Animation, as well as the excitement of leopard preview (+ copy for themselves) to keep them ticking over.

Y'know the leopard preview is just to make microsoft **** themselves even more, and for the apple loving consumers to be happy to wait till MW '07 for more dirt on leopard.

Ignore the rumour hype (or take it with a pinch of salt) and its been a very fine and exciting WWDC Keynote, with more coming during the week apparently!

MBHockey 08-08-2006 08:25 PM

Yea, exactly. It's a developer conference. Analysts were disappointed in Apple because they didn't release a new gadget and their stock has been going down since.

Don't those analysts realize this isn't the place to introduce a Mac mini that does TiVo?

Jay Carr 08-08-2006 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantherman13
was it my imagination, or did Steve look a little thin today?

I think you're right, he looked rather thin, and not in the healthy sense. Anyone have any idea if he's alright?

guardian34 08-08-2006 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBHockey
Don't those analysts realize this isn't the place to introduce a Mac mini that does TiVo?

On IRC, I saw one person ask if there was still hope for another keynote at the WWDC were they might annouce a new iPod. :confused:

MBHockey 08-08-2006 11:00 PM

I don't believe so...

styrafome 08-08-2006 11:47 PM

I don't think even the original iPod was announced at any of these big shows. Wasn't it a "special event?"


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