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yellow 08-01-2006 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by iNemo
I can understand why people smoke, but I personally find it disgusting.

It's true. And it tastes nasty. And yet, smokers work REALLY hard to keep smoking, and tell themselves that it tastes good, and that it does all sorts of magical things for them.

NovaScotian 08-01-2006 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by yellow
It's true. And it tastes nasty. And yet, smokers work REALLY hard to keep smoking, and tell themselves that it tastes good, and that it does all sorts of magical things for them.

But, what smokers haven't necessarily grasped is that they are addicted - an addiction with a lot of clout - so they're simply fulfilling an artificial need for a vegetable alkaloid, not unlike coffee drinker's addiction to caffeine. I say this having just reheated a cup of this morning's brew in the microwave. Need trumps taste.

yellow 08-01-2006 12:16 PM

See, I won't buy into that too far.
As a smoker I was far more psychologically addicted to cigs than physically addicted. After all.. why could I go 8+ hours sleeping with no cigarette and suffer no ill effects, and yet.. the first thing I wanted after a 2 hour movie in a theater was a smoke? If I had a cold and found smoking distatesful and nasty so I would stop for 24 or 48 hours with no problems, why couldn't I drive my car (1-hour) home from work without a smoke? Why did I think that smoking would relax me, when it's definitely NOT a sedative? Etc etc blah blah soapbox.

The fact remains that smokers have to work really hard to remain smokers, they ALL know the risks, but continue to do so anyway. The more you give addictions credence, the more power they have over you. Addictions can be kicked.

NovaScotian 08-01-2006 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by yellow
The fact remains that smokers have to work really hard to remain smokers, they ALL know the risks, but continue to do so anyway. The more you give addictions credence, the more power they have over you. Addictions can be kicked.

Of course they can. What makes them harder to kick, however, are the psychological associations that you mention. It's a combination problem. My wife has kicked the nicotine habit, but not the associations - she'll still say "gee I'd like to have a smoke" when we're finishing a meal or having our second cup of coffee in the morning.

yellow 08-01-2006 01:54 PM

She should read that book.

Caius 08-01-2006 03:18 PM

I don't find coffee addictive either heh. My mate is quite bad without coffee, starts shaking after 48 hours with no caffeine.

Now a cup of Twinings chai tea or Fish and Chips from the North East coast of UK, there are things that I understand addiction to ;)

NovaScotian 08-01-2006 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by iNemo
I don't find coffee addictive either heh. My mate is quite bad without coffee, starts shaking after 48 hours with no caffeine.

Now a cup of Twinings chai tea or Fish and Chips from the North East coast of UK, there are things that I understand addiction to ;)

I have read, although I don't experience it myself, that some folks deprived of caffeine actually get fierce headaches.

yellow 08-02-2006 10:40 AM

It's true.. though that will go away in a few days.
Over the counter migraine meds contain caffine.

lyndonl 08-03-2006 02:44 AM

well 5 going on 6 days so far all is fine
Yellow has some valid points about the physical vs psychological needs of a cigarette. I am sure that it changes from person to person, but in most case people smoke when they are bored or if they have programmed themselves to smoke at certain time.
After the morning coffee or after dinner or lunch etc.

I know a few people who wake up in th middle of the night some times 2 or 3 times to have a smoke. I never did but I also smoked a hell of a lot less than they did.

I think if you smoke between 10 and 20 a day quitting is a lot easier than people who smoke 60 a day
I mean if you sleep 8 hours a day (without waking up to smoke you are sucking back 1 every 15 minutes or so) under those circumstances Im guessing that the Physical and Psychological needs are way more than me at 1 box every 2 to 2 and a half days.

yellow 08-03-2006 11:19 AM

Congrats, and don't forget to congratulate yourself for being an Ex-Smoker everytime you think about a cigarette!

Caius 08-04-2006 10:01 AM

I get headaches after driving for 2 hours or more on motorways it seems (drove 215 miles on one yesterday for the first time heh.)

I understand what lyndonl is saying about being programmed into the routine of doing something and then you find it very hard to get out of that routine (addicted even.)

I was like that with snacking, used to not eat a meal, just go grab something small out the fridge and stuff. Realised at 17 stone that I needed to do something about it, so now I'm eating proper meals (and changed what I eat, no processed food) and stuff, and even though it feels like I'm eating more, my weight is coming down.

I still get the urges to go and grab something out of the fridge though, even when I know I've just eaten a decent meal and shouldn't eat for another few hours.

So I tend to either go make a cup of tea, or lose myself in reading a php tutorial eBook that I've gotten hold of. So far it all seems to be working quite well :)

GavinBKK 08-07-2006 02:48 AM

Update?
 
So, how are you doing then?

I stopped a 60-a-day Marlboro habit about 8 years ago. New Years Day. No resolution/similar, just woke up and told myself I didn't smoke anymore and haven't had one since. Interestingly, I can't remember exactly which NYD it was, so my brain has done quite a good job of expunging the whole thing. I kinda remember being "over it" after about 3 weeks, which is surprising at that level of tobacco usage and several failed attempts to "quit". I suppose that it comes from inside oneself - no amount of spousal nagging will do it.

Being a consumer of beer in Industrial Quantities, I decided to go and stare down the barrel of the gun and actually upped my not-inconsiderable consumption. Not surprisingly, this caused weight gain that me and Dr Atkins are working at losing even now, but better than smoking, methinks. Beating that link made life easier.

Just remember Pavlov's dogs. A conditioned reaction can be undone.

All the best with it mate.
Gavin

lyndonl 08-07-2006 02:53 AM

Well its been just over a week and no big deal
had a few beers over the weekend, was with people I know who don't smoke so that made its easy.

Still no urge to have one, I'm just not interested.
It seriously looks like everyone here who kicked the habit just did it, it was just a case of woke up had enough and thats that. I don't really see much mention of people using patches and gum and whatever else as an aid, just good old cold turkey :D

ThreeBKK 08-07-2006 03:44 AM

You might find this interesting: all cigarette packs sold in Thailand now have these hideous medical photos affixed to the front of the packs. It really deglamorizes cigarettes. I wouldn't want to smoke one based on how the pack looks.

As a second note, all of you guys are/ have been victims of a drug industry which doesn't care what happens to you. It's no different than the illegal trade in cocaine. Your governments are the drug kingpins and the convenience shops are the local dealers. Want to stop smoking? Shut down the industry. How are you going to smoke a cigarette if you can't find one? Your addictions and miserable health problems are being sponsored, endorsed, and dealt out by Parliament/Congress/the Prime Minister and whoever else governs your locale.

mnewman 08-07-2006 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeBKK
You might find this interesting: all cigarette packs sold in Thailand now have these hideous medical photos affixed to the front of the packs. It really deglamorizes cigarettes. I wouldn't want to smoke one based on how the pack looks.

Except that every smoker I know has now purchased a case which hides the frightening photos on the pack. Turned out to be a great market for some enterprising souls. So typical of Thailand.

All the same, I'm glad I never got hooked.

I do like my beer though....

:confused:

ThreeBKK 08-07-2006 05:23 AM

Ever see that movie "The Insider"?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140352/

It's very relevant to the topic of this discussion. Highly recommended viewing.

mnewman 08-07-2006 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeBKK
Ever see that movie "The Insider"?

Great piece of work.

yellow 08-07-2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeBKK
Want to stop smoking? Shut down the industry. How are you going to smoke a cigarette if you can't find one?

Historically, I think we've seen that doesn't work too well.

ThreeBKK 08-08-2006 02:04 PM

To lyndonl: best wishes to you in your quest to stop smoking

To GavinBKK: Maybe BKK isn't the best place to live if you plan to lower your daily alchohol intake ;)

fat elvis 08-08-2006 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GavinBKK
Not surprisingly, this caused weight gain that me and Dr Atkins are working at losing even now, but better than smoking, methinks. Beating that link made life easier

A friend of mine is a paramedic in San Francisco. An instructor of his once told them to look at the old people around town. I'm sure we all have seen that crusty old person smoking a cigarette...but how many obese old peole do you see? Being over-weight is more dangerous than smoking generally.


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