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Photek 05-02-2006 03:04 PM

Send a snotty email!
 
http://www.channel4.com/entertainmen...vod/index.html

if you want to view it you gotta have Windoze and WMP 10 and IE!!!

how crap is that?

I just sent a snotty email.... anyone else want to voice their disgust?

olej24 05-02-2006 03:45 PM

Did you not see this thread i posted last week. It's ok i've already seen all of season two(in poor quality). You can download it in the US on Itunes so hopefully the same will happen hear. We don't even get it in high def. There isn't much in that hole just an armoury and food kitchen and a button on a computer.

ArcticStones 05-02-2006 03:50 PM

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My broadband provider in Norway has "wonderful offerings" of streamed movies. From time to time, free movies are available. I asked them politely about it, since I couldn’t get it to work.

"Oh, that only works on Windows."
"So what should Mac users do to access this wonderful service you have?"

Dead silence.

CAlvarez 05-02-2006 03:57 PM

They're doing humanity a favor, really. The fewer people watch that horrible tripe, the better off we are as a species.

olej24 05-02-2006 03:58 PM

Once you have finished complaining to Channel 4 you can start on Sky and their sky by broadband service. They only allow you to download it to 1 PC. However there is some possitives the bbc downloads work, and their soon to be released IMP should too. The channel 4 and sky videos take a while to download and only last a short period of time before they are deleted. Whats the point in that? You have to download them agian to watch again, what a chore!!!

CAlvarez 05-02-2006 04:04 PM

I sent them an e-mail:

I noticed that the videos hosted on your site are only viewable by people using Windows computers. I want to thank you for protecting Mac users from this inane drivel you are promoting. As you may know, a significant and growing number of people use Mac OS instead of Windows, usually the more intelligent and advanced members of society. People that obviously wouldn't consciously watch this tripe, but may accidentally stumble upon it and be curious. In protecting them from your damaging material, you do a great service to humanity. Thank you.


Is that snotty enough for you?

Did you notice the glaring lack of a privacy policy while they ask for your personal info?

olej24 05-02-2006 04:09 PM

what address did you use? i sent it to dot4@channel4.com
If you want to download some quality tv go here

olej24 05-02-2006 04:10 PM

if that don't work click here and select watch episode 10 or you're fired

voldenuit 05-02-2006 06:38 PM

I like snotty and Carlos' version quite a bit, let me have a swing at it too:


Your attempt to prevent a large portion of potential customers from being able to use your commercial offer while pissing off the rest with crippling restrictions, will fail.

"Here's what I'm here to convince you of:

1. That DRM systems don't work

2. That DRM systems are bad for society

3. That DRM systems are bad for business

4. That DRM systems are bad for artists

5. That DRM is a bad business-move for MSFT"

You can read the detailed argument here:

http://www.craphound.com/msftdrm.txt

The only thing you're achieving is to push people to p2p file-sharing where unrestricted high quality versions of pretty much anything are to be found without any problem at all. Unless you end up understanding how your market works today, you'll fail, even if you manage to get even crazier laws passed to protect your broken business-model.



As a side note, it looks like it might get worse for now, DMCA to be even tougher:
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=54926
"Details of the upgraded act, which has the blessing of the music and film industry and the Bush administration, are now coming to light. It appears that the DMCA will have a maximum sentence of ten years inside for the crime of software and music piracy.
...
For example assaulting a police officer will get you five years, downloading child porn will get you seven years, assaulting without a weapon will get you ten years and aggravated assault six years."

lostduck 05-02-2006 06:39 PM

Quote:

If you want to download some quality tv go here
Which is perfect for tea sipping Macs, they don't let you download anything if you are outside the UK.

voldenuit 05-02-2006 06:51 PM

Use a UK proxy or go for p2p.

At least the BBC is trying pretty hard to get it right, but they're struggling with insane restrictions as well.

NovaScotian 05-02-2006 08:06 PM

In some societies boy children are prized, girl children are not. With the advent of modern sonograms, it became possible to tell an infant's sex before birth, and the birth rate of girls fell dramatically in those societies. Now after 20 years of this, guess what? There are a lot of unmarried men whose parents will not see grandchildren. The punishment fits the crime.

What's that got to do with DRM? I think that DRM, like controlling the sex of of your children, is self-destructive. Every escalation simply accelerates the rate of that self-destruction - every new extreme heightens awareness among the public of how bad it is. Remember that Prohibition increased the consumption of alcohol many-fold. Millions more folk who never heard of DRM or knew that they could download music for free are doing it now. DRM and the lawyers are not putting out the fire, they're fanning its flames.

Here in Canada, for example, a number of popular music groups have formed an alliance to fight the folks who want to sue their fans. It's their notion that they'd rather have bums in seats at their concerts than a larger pittance of royalty. It doen't make sense to them to piss off the customers.

ArcticStones 05-03-2006 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaScotian
Here in Canada, for example, a number of popular music groups have formed an alliance to fight the folks who want to sue their fans. It's their notion that they'd rather have bums in seats at their concerts than a larger pittance of royalty. It doen't make sense to them to piss off the customers.

Do you have a link? I would be very interested in reading about what they’re up, what strategies they’re using, and seeing what type of press coverage they’re getting.

olej24 05-03-2006 02:44 AM

Quote:

Which is perfect for tea sipping Macs
Firstly I don't like tea or coffee for that matter.
You can probably download it at the US BBC. They show the us appretice in england so i'm sure in america they show the UK one (NOT). Sir Alan Sugar is so much better than donald trump (i think thats his name). The BBC also said that they were concidering adding advertisements to video's which could then be downloaded abroad. (In the UK they do not advertise between programs)
More emails would also be great!!

ArcticStones 05-03-2006 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olej24
The BBC also said that they were considering adding advertisements to video's which could then be downloaded abroad. (In the UK they do not advertise between programs)

Great! That would prevent American culture shock. ;)

Photek 05-03-2006 04:00 AM

Calvarez...... fair point.... but in my defence it is the ONLY TV I watch except for the news!

and olej24............ 'your a lightweight.... your fired' :D

hayne 05-03-2006 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticStones
Do you have a link? I would be very interested in reading about what they’re up, what strategies they’re using, and seeing what type of press coverage they’re getting.

Try this:
http://news.google.com/news?ned=ca&n...pStories&hl=en

Photek 05-03-2006 10:04 AM

the reply from C4

Quote:

Unfortunately, episodes are not available to Mac users because the Mac version of the Windows Media Player does not support the features we use to protect our content from unauthorised use. You should be able to view
the episode reviews, however. Best wishes,


From now I will be using the BBC website for my news feeds!

ArcticStones 05-03-2006 10:33 AM

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Chalk up another victory for DRM!

Or to rephrase: We don’t want you as our customer,
nor do we want your money. Please go somewhere else.

I sincerely hope that sort of business acumen earns the CEO and the brilliant strategists on the company’s Board of Directors a hefty, well-deserved bonus.

voldenuit 05-03-2006 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticStones
Do you have a link? I would be very interested in reading about what they’re up, what strategies they’re using, and seeing what type of press coverage they’re getting.

Here's part of the mission statement of the Canadian Music Creators Coalition
(full story here: http://www.musiccreators.ca/a_new_voice.php, en français: http://www.musiccreators.ca/fr/ ):

Quote:

1. Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical
Artists do not want to sue music fans. The labels have been suing our fans against our will, and laws enabling these suits cannot be justified in our names. We oppose any copyright reforms that would make it easier for record companies to do this. The government should repeal provisions of the Copyright Act that allow labels to unfairly punish fans who share music for non-commercial purposes with statutory damages of $500 to $20,000 per song.

2. Digital Locks are Risky and Counterproductive
Artists do not support using digital locks to increase the labels’ control over the distribution, use and enjoyment of music or laws that prohibit circumvention of such technological measures. The government should not blindly implement decade-old treaties designed to give control to major labels and take choices away from artists and consumers. Laws should protect artists and consumers, not restrictive technologies. Consumers should be able to transfer the music they buy to other formats under a right of fair use, without having to pay twice.
It's good to see that artists start to stand up against the abusive behaviour of the industry that claims to "protect" them.

olej24 05-03-2006 11:01 AM

Photek isn't that strange, i got the same email. They must have it in draft so that they can real it off to all the mac users that complain each day!
Quote:

From now I will be using the BBC website for my news feeds!
Did you not already use the BBC?

There is no phone-in here, there is no text a number, there is no panel of judges. I'm the one who desides who gets fired,
and I'm the one that ultimately desides who gets hired.
And Photek:
I don't like liars, I don't like cheats. I don't like bullshitters, I don't like schmoozers, I don't like arse-lickers and i don't like Channel 4. but i hate ITV even more.
They fill ITV 1-4. With second rate american crap, like Pop idol USA, soaps and reality tv. The uefa cup and champions league finals are ok, and the F1 but the football (soccer) commitary is dreadful. DAVID PLETT???? And Andy towsend and ally mcCoist. Give me Big Andy G any day. Tickabow son!

Photek 05-03-2006 11:27 AM

Quote:

There is no phone-in here, there is no text a number, there is no panel of judges. I'm the one who desides who gets fired,
and I'm the one that ultimately desides who gets hired.
And Photek:
I don't like liars, I don't like cheats. I don't like bullshitters, I don't like schmoozers, I don't like arse-lickers and i don't like Channel 4. but i hate ITV even more.
They fill ITV 1-4. With second rate american crap, like Pop idol USA, soaps and reality tv. The uefa cup and champions league finals are ok, and the F1 but the football (soccer) commitary is dreadful. DAVID PLETT???? And Andy towsend and ally mcCoist. Give me Big Andy G any day. Tickabow son!
I dont like ranters..... your fired!

olej24 05-03-2006 11:29 AM

Shyd SHUT UP!!! i think you mean. Guess who my brother's friend has as a lecturer at uni. I'll give you a clue she was the best contestant this year.

ArcticStones 05-03-2006 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by voldenuit
Here's part of the mission statement of the Canadian Music Creators Coalition...
It's good to see that artists start to stand up against the abusive behaviour of the industry that claims to "protect" them.

That’s extremely interesting stuff! It’s a very strong statement for these artists to say that what the multinational record companies are doing actually runs counter to their artistic interests. They could not have been more clear.

That message needs to be heard. In fact, I think we need a fresh look not just at DRM, but issue such as zone protection on DVDs, which have absolutely nothing to do with legitimate copyright protection. Still don’t understand how the recording industry got away with that scam.

Photek 05-03-2006 02:04 PM

olej24... I know what you mean about C4... its like the American channel!... oddly though... you wouldn't believe how much crap South Africans and Austrailians get from the UK.... Darling Buds of May?! Keeping up Apperances??!! DIY SOS!!! Changing Rooms! No wonder the whole world think Brits are deranged!

As for F1... yeh the coverage is commentry is crap... bring back Murray Walker! As for footy... tell me your not a City fan? I still cant get the thought of Delia's half time booster talk out of my head.... pha ahaha!


everyone else... write more snotty email to C4 from every email account you have! This is gonna be mission from now on!

olej24 05-03-2006 02:29 PM

You might like this. It'll answer your question.
Who do you support Coventry? or maybe a birmingham club which will be playing championship football next year, you'll like it.

olej24 05-03-2006 02:37 PM

You can download it Here.
It seemed fine at the time

Photek 05-03-2006 03:03 PM

Quote:

You can download it Here.
It seemed fine at the time
I could only stand 1 second of it before I closed the browser window!

As for me and football....... I once supported Liverpool (in the days of Walsh, Rush and Johnson) but I haven't followed footy in years.. If I was going to support any team it would be Lincoln City (dont laugh!)... coz that was where I was born/raised.

Given the choice of sport to watch I would go for Skateboarding or Snowboarding... but they get no air time on teresteral TV!

ArcticStones 05-03-2006 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photek
Given the choice of sport to watch I would go for Skateboarding or Snowboarding... but they get no air time on teresteral TV!

I am definitely going to see that new snowboarding film! Can’t remember the name... Speaking of sports, I don’t mind women’s tennis. :cool:

Photek 05-03-2006 05:13 PM

Quote:

I don’t mind women’s tennis.
right there with ya! :D

if your into Snowboarding check out my mates website.... he does snowboarding trips and then films your best bits as part of the package.

http://www.sketchbookfilms.com/sbf0506.html

check the movies out!

NovaScotian 05-03-2006 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticStones
That’s extremely interesting stuff! It’s a very strong statement for these artists to say that what the multinational record companies are doing actually runs counter to their artistic interests. They could not have been more clear.

That message needs to be heard. In fact, I think we need a fresh look not just at DRM, but issue such as zone protection on DVDs, which have absolutely nothing to do with legitimate copyright protection. Still don’t understand how the recording industry got away with that scam.

Here's more on techdirt: "Music Fans Not Actually Criminals, Willing To Pay For Music"

olej24 05-04-2006 02:14 PM

ABC are letting you watch the lost video's for free (only in the US). And guess what, they are mac comptable


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