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-Led Zeppelin 04-08-2006 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schwartze
Auditor and BackTrack both look like distributions, not a set of tools you would find within Ubuntu.

The tools that these distributions use might be there (inside of Ubuntu), but then you might also be able to find them inside Fink or Darwin Ports.

K well i was going to install them on Ubuntu, but if they are distributions, how would i get them on my mac, put them on a disk, and then boot them up? Also there not on fink or darwin


Quote:

Originally Posted by peteSK
I think before bootcamp the danger of having to reinstall osx after a bad linux install was much greater.

Now i think theres three fairly simple methods to choose from

1) use a live cd - boots off cd - no problem
2) use bootcamp and set up a linux partition on your harddrive - then install linux to that
3) install a virtual PC product and install linux in there.

my pref would be 3 .

I have virtual pc on my mac for windows, it runs fairly slow though. But how would i put linux onto the virtual pc.

-Led Zeppelin 04-08-2006 07:02 PM

All i need/want is the Auditor, i thought it was for linux ( which i know nothing of) so got ubuntu which seemed to be the most popular program that would work on mac and run linux. If theres in easier way to get auditor on my mac, it would be nice.

schwartze 04-08-2006 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Led Zeppelin
K well i was going to install them on Ubuntu, but if they are distributions, how would i get them on my mac, put them on a disk, and then boot them up? Also there not on fink or darwin

Neither one of those distributions seem to have PPC images.

Fink and Darwin Ports are ways to run certain programs on a Mac. You need to download them and the programs you want to use.

You might be better off here stating what it is exactly you want to do and the people can help you find a way to do it.

I am not a Linux guy but I am curious about things so I too want to learn to do things. Fleshing that out seems like the first step to see where to go. Nuking your current OS for a new one you are not sure how to install seems like it will cause a LOT more headaches than finding the best tool for what you want.

hayne 04-08-2006 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Led Zeppelin
All i need/want is the Auditor, i thought it was for linux ( which i know nothing of) so got ubuntu which seemed to be the most popular program that would work on mac and run linux. If theres in easier way to get auditor on my mac, it would be nice.

From this page: http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_main
Quote:

The Auditor security collection is a Live-System based on KNOPPIX. With no installation whatsoever, the analysis platform is started directly from the CD-Rom
So "Auditor" is not "for Linux" - it is Linux (one version that is designed to run directly from a CD with no installation).
But if you look at the hardware requirements, you'll see that it is intended for standard PC hardware - not for Macs. Certainly not for PowerPC Macs.
So there is no way to get this to run on your Mac.

bedouin 04-08-2006 10:39 PM

I suggest that if you want to learn more about Linux and experiment you buy a capable machine, either a Mac or a PC, experiment, and destroy and rebuild as you learn the ropes.

That's what I did years ago when toying with alternative operating systems to prevent downtime and accidents on my primary machine.

This distribution you're looking to run, which is apparently a live CD, should be bootable from Virtual PC, though very slowly because A) it's running in emulation and B) it's running from a CD. Though in the case of VPC, you could run it from an .ISO image, which should be nice.

You should realize that when experimenting with alternative operating systems documentation and logic are not always first and foremost; people who play with up and coming systems usually know the basics already. That means you have to feel your way through things sometimes, make mistakes, and spend a few hours oftentimes deciphering FAQs and man pages. Forums are more of a last resort after you've exhausted every other resource.

Mikey-San 04-08-2006 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedouin
I suggest that if you want to learn more about Linux and experiment you buy a capable machine, either a Mac or a PC, experiment, and destroy and rebuild as you learn the ropes.

Absolutely. Put together a really cheap "white box" PC and tinker with Linux while you're gaining some footing. Something that won't matter much if you have to erase the HD or reconfigure hardware. Shopping around, you should be able to do it for just a couple of hundred bucks. (You also gain the experience of getting to know the OS by configuring the hardware with it!)

bedouin 04-09-2006 12:37 AM

With the B&W G3s and G3 iMacs going for < $150 nowadays they make great Linux machines, especially since their hardware is supported by every PPC Linux distribution. My 'tinkering' machine/server right now is an iMac DV with Debian on it.

trumpet_999 04-09-2006 02:42 AM

Hi Led Zep,

I don't know if it has been mentioned but for Ubuntu, you don't need Paypal or any payment method. Ubuntu has just sent me 10 copies of the OS in the mail for free - and i'm in australia!

I highly recommend Ubuntu

trumpet_999 04-09-2006 07:44 AM

...and although i recommend ubuntu, ive been running it primarily on a PC, but i have the Mac cd's as well here... My question is:

Is it possible to fully install ubuntu onto a mac and keep OSX on there as well without the hassle of partitioning and potential other dangers? And also can I 'fast' switch between the two without a) a cd b) restarting the computer each time i want to?

?? thanks

bedouin 04-09-2006 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumpet_999
Is it possible to fully install ubuntu onto a mac and keep OSX on there as well without the hassle of partitioning and potential other dangers?

You will have to partition. A program like iPartition will let you resize partitions non destructively though, and it's not too expensive.

Quote:

And also can I 'fast' switch between the two without a) a cd b) restarting the computer each time i want to?
Not really, but you can run OS X or OS 9 in virtualization with Mac On Linux. This is not emulation; it will run at native speed (on a PPC Mac).

-Led Zeppelin 04-09-2006 12:42 PM

So theres no way of running Auditor on my mac?

bedouin 04-09-2006 01:03 PM

BTW, I forgot to mention that the latest version of Yellow Dog can be installed and booted off of a firewire hard drive with little hassle (unlike before). That's an easy way to play with Linux without repartitioning.

Quote:

So theres no way of running Auditor on my mac?
I already told you it could be booted from VPC.

-Led Zeppelin 04-09-2006 01:14 PM

It would run very slow but anyways....i already have VPC, how would i boot it from it then?

-Led Zeppelin 04-09-2006 10:03 PM

Anyone......?

schwartze 04-09-2006 11:39 PM

From the page linked to above about Auditor:

Quote:

The Auditor security collection is a Live-System based on KNOPPIX. With no installation whatsoever, the analysis platform is started directly from the CD-Rom and is fully accessible within minutes.
and for support:
http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor#Support

If you must use Auditor and Auditor is not a Live CD for the Mac the above link might be the place to be asking the question to get the responses you want.

hayne 04-10-2006 01:08 AM

As I said above, I don't think there is any way that you can use the Auditor Linux distribution on your Mac.

GlowingApple 04-10-2006 02:49 AM

If you're going to try using it through VPC

1. dl Auditor
2. burn it to CD
3. insert the CD in your Mac
4. create a new, empty VPC and when it starts it should boot off of the CD (if not you'll have to capture the CD in the Drives menu and then reboot the virtual machine).

macs power 04-10-2006 05:12 AM

Download the iso and in VPC set the cdrom drive to the iso.

GlowingApple 04-10-2006 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by macs power
Download the iso and in VPC set the cdrom drive to the iso.

d'oh! Forgot that VPC can read isos for the drive. Yeah, this would be a much smarter idea than what I suggested.

-Led Zeppelin 04-10-2006 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quantum0726
If you're going to try using it through VPC

1. dl Auditor
2. burn it to CD
3. insert the CD in your Mac
4. create a new, empty VPC and when it starts it should boot off of the CD (if not you'll have to capture the CD in the Drives menu and then reboot the virtual machine).

Dosent something happen when i put Auditor into my cd drive? Like are you sure VPC will pick it up.


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