"There's this girl that's been on my mind
All the time, Sussudio oh oh"


--phil collins

Samuel Adams:

The said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.

Massachusetts U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

"I want to know God's thoughts...the rest are details"
-Albert Enstien

"Lois, when I'm done with our kids, they'll be so smart, they'll be able to program their VCRs without spilling piping hot gravy all over myself"

-Peter Griffin, Family Guy.

"The glass if half full"
-The Optimist

"The glass is half empty"
-The Pessimist

"The glass is twice as big as it needs to be"
-The Engineer

hehe yeah

The Optimist thinks everything will be ok

The Pessimist thinks everything is going to get worse

The Realist knows everything is going to get worse

I tend to be the realist
Sometimes surprised but never disappointed

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."

- General John Sedgwick, battle of Spotsylvania, 1864

"Ninty percent of this game is mental, the other half is physical"

--Yogi Berra

"where's my quill?........bloody hell! i bought 5 yesterday.....where do they all go?"


--william shakespeare

My friends and I have a couple lines of alternate lyrics for that:

I don't know her real name
But I like her just the same... su su pseudonym

She don't have no real feet,
But I think she's kind of neat... su su pseudopod!

"okay brain, I hate you and you hate me, but get me through this then I'll go back to killing you with beer."

-Homer J. Simpson

off topic i know and forgive me, but.....
everytime i see the quote on american constitutional rights and bearing arms etc.

i kind of shudder a bit

and forgive me for not being american and all that but i just wonder what kind of statement that is meant to make.

i'm all for freedom of speech etc and understand and appreciate that that is the flag most people hold when the quote that sentence.

but i just cant fathom how people can find that relevant in this day and age.
those words are from a different time, a time where people were still pioneers trying to take over a country and claim it as their own etc.
time passes the country is pretty "owned" now, yet these words are held as gospel, and defend the actions of murderers in 'polight controlled society'.
a society that can allow free and easy access to all sorts of weaponary, that could potentially slaughter a whole school of kids, have someone carjacked and killed for the price of a small dope score etc.
and that quote is always the response to the people trying to make every effort to try and curb this wild behaviour.

if someone gets shot (not even killed) in the uk, it makes the national news!
because there are what we feel totally sensible and obvious laws in place, that prevent gun ownership.

sorry to kill the mood and all that but, it just troubles me, and here's my quote just to keep the record straight...


""guns dont kill people...people do"....but i think the gun helps"

--eddie izzard

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

--US Constitution.

Just so the amendment is clearly stated. And I'd also like to point out that this forum is not intended to be political, if one of the mods jumps in and starts to be political...I've always taken that as a sign that the rest of us can, but be careful.

Winston Churchill quote:
 

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get
its pants on."

Winston Churchill

From our very own forum's "pink"'s son....

"And what have we got in here ? - Ahh, things.." (Louis (2), inspecting kitchen cupboards.)

I just love that one.... Particularly since it comes from a two year old!:)

And it still doesn't prevent killings, or statistically, even reduce them. A few months ago the UK was considering banning large kitchen knives since those were the weapon of choice in many crimes. When will you have to get a license to carry a stick or own a rock?

Politics aside, speaking to pure statistics from credible government sources (US Dept. of Justice), there are about 2.5 million uses of guns in self-defense every year in the US, while there are under 4000 murders and accidental deaths using a gun. Police are found to commit wrongful shootings at a rate of 4%, while the average gun-owning citizen is found to commit a wrongful shooting in 2% of cases. Doctors kill about 80,000 people each year due to errors or malpractice, so doctors are 20 times deadlier than firearms, statistically, no politics.

Keep in mind that in 33 states it is lawful to carry a concealed firearm, and people just aren't shooting each other. They aren't, simple fact. In my state, it is legal to carry openly or concealed, in the car, at home.

I have used my personally-owned firearm to stop a woman-beating by a former husband, to stop a burglary of my car, and a knife threat against a store clerk.

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

“Music, even in situations of the greatest horror, should never be painful to the ear but should flatter and charm it, and thereby always remain music.”

-Wolfgang Amadues Mozart

"There is no one alive that is Youer than You."

-Dr. Seuss

sigh........
look at you go! to be honest i cant even be bothered in reading into your pitifully predictable, statistical response.
its not really the point, i think my point was asking why you felt it nessisary to make such a statement in a place like this in the first place, there is no call for it.

no matter where you point your statistics, the fact remains that, its a debate and a problem, you cant argue that the amount of gun deaths are fewer than those caused by medical malpractice! thats so juvenile!
how about the fact that, thats still probobly more than most other civilised societies?

and.... your "only the outlaws will have guns"
yeah! exactly, the outlaws and the police! the way it should be!

i like also how you didnt credit that quote as its just one of those throw away bits of crap, that arguments like that have to hand, i wonder where people like you would be without buzz phrases, statistics and quotes etc?

utterly lost, thats where.

people want to own weapons through fear, what other reason could there be?
have you no concept of what its like living in a country without that fear?
its pretty bloody relaxing.

anyway details aside, i think what i object against most are political beleifs being crowbarred into a light disscussion like this, i have plenty that dont belong here, and i wouldnt volunteer them either.

political quotes and statements are used by people to say "here look this is what i think, either you should too or you should challenge me on it"

i think that kind of talk belongs maybe on another forum, as its certainly not what i've came to enjoy about this place, i understand that you are a big weight on osx hints also, i'd have thought you'd appreciatte this. (see "the purpose of this forum" note)

i like a good debate the same as anyone, and also pretty fond of the old controversial statement. just elsewhere really.

"In a country as big as the United States, you can find fifty examples of anything."

--j.f.chaimberlain

Starting an offtopic subject, then asking to stop the predictably ensuing replies, not really sure what to think here...

Anyway, the gun-thing is a big subject of controversy in the US and a complete mystery to much of the rest of the civilised world, so a lot of multicultural understanding is required to talk about it without yelling.

Calling argumentations pitiful does not exactly further the climate of the debate, a plain and simple, argumented rebuttal would do a lot better.

That's not always simple on a subject one might feel very strongly about, but the only way to have a meaningful discussion is to personally respect the other, even if you strongly disagree with his opinion.

forget guns...why do they have drive-through liquor stores?

OR, why the hell to they make cars that go 180 miles per hour? I like driving fast and have even driven my car until the electronic restrictor cuts off the gas. But was that necessary?

If I were president, I'd make all cars limited to 85 mph. I bet that'd save more lifes that raising the price on bullets (Chris Rock), or stopping the sale of fully-automatic weapons. Of course you could still have public tracks, the Salt Flats, local track days, etc.

And those stupid little shoe laces that squiggle up like a pig tail...those should be illegal too.

Think of all the stress related heart attacks brought on by employers forcing their workers to use PCs. Make them illegal too! :D