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Raven 01-27-2006 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Las_Vegas
It has no, and calls no Menu.nib. It's not going to become a frontmost ap without a wrapper to set it up before calling the KeyboardViewerServer.

I'm thinking that the whole problem with opening and closing the keyboard viewer directly in its window (must admit that ther little AS works like a charm too) is related to this... Its basically a floating window that shows info. Its not a real application window so the app can't be closed. Guessing that they added a trigger to stop the process in Internationnal so the process statrts and stops wehn you open or close the window...

Reacher 01-27-2006 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NovaScotian
It probably fails in Panther if you close the window with its button (it doesn't respond to Command-w) and the application remains running. Then the first time will quit it, and a second will be required to start it again. I can't test that.

If you try it, let me know.

We're on the same page. Thanks again for the script -- it works as you describe, i.e. properly. :)

weltonch777 01-27-2006 10:39 AM

Now if you really want it to be slick, you can add a keyboard shortcut to System Prefs > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcut page. Then you wont even have to click in the dock to hide/show it.

NovaScotian 01-27-2006 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by weltonch777
Now if you really want it to be slick, you can add a keyboard shortcut to System Prefs > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcut page. Then you wont even have to click in the dock to hide/show it.

I use FastScripts (Red Sweater Software) to give it a key command, so on my machine, Option-Control-Shift-k toggles the Keyboard Viewer on and off.

Also, even though it's a floating window, its presence (or absence) can be tested (in a tell application "System Events" block) with this line: exists (process KeyboardViewerServer)'s window 1 (or if you prefer: exists window 1 of process KeyboardViewerServer). This is true if the window shows, false if not. I can't test it in Panther, though, or I'd think of a way to get the window back if you closed it, but didn't quit the engine.

weltonch777 01-27-2006 11:07 AM

You would probably tell by finding a way to comunicate to the server, but that's closed source...

AHunter3 01-27-2006 12:15 PM

Inside secret: the Key Caps.app from Jaguar (10.2.x) works just fine in Panther. Probably therefore works just fine in Tiger, too (no fancy underlying technologies going on there). I forgot to copy it to my new PB so I can't verify Tiger-compatibility until tonight (when I snag it from my WallStreet backup).

I have no idea why Apple decided it was an unnecessary or useless utility.

scphysics 01-27-2006 01:55 PM

OS X Keyboard
 
I see your mousepad and raise you a keyboard with all the symbols printed on the keys.
http://www.matias.ca/osxkeyboard/index.php
I've been meaning to buy it for weeks, now.

Las_Vegas 01-27-2006 02:12 PM

That would be trumped if each key had a tiny LCD display to show the characters of the currently selected font. Some fonts have unique characters like "" (Option-Shift-K) that aren't present in other fonts.

mclbruce 01-27-2006 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scphysics
I see your mousepad and raise you a keyboard

Very cool, I had no idea this existed. Thanks for sharing.

Reacher 01-27-2006 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AHunter3
Inside secret: the Key Caps.app from Jaguar (10.2.x) works just fine in Panther.... I have no idea why Apple decided it was an unnecessary or useless utility.

I upgraded from 9 straight to Panther so that doesn't help me much. But it appears that KeyboardViewerServer is built on KeyCaps, since there are KeyCaps references in the .nib file. I just love poking around.

Las_Vegas 01-27-2006 08:50 PM

I find the Character Palette much more useful when I need to find that elusive symbol that isn't supported in the Keyboard Layout.

scphysics 01-28-2006 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Las_Vegas
That would be trumped if each key had a tiny LCD display to show the characters of the currently selected font.

This prototype ought to get you excited then...
http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
Website says it could come out this year.

Las_Vegas 01-29-2006 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by scphysics
Website says it could come out this year.

The artwork is beautiful and I'm impressed that they represent a Mac keyboard, but I'm not going to hold my breath for a concept drawing to be available as the real thing by July.

mark hunte 01-29-2006 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Las_Vegas
I find the Character Palette much more useful when I need to find that elusive symbol that isn't supported in the Keyboard Layout.

Same Here..

The script adaptation is below.
Code:

tell application "System Events"
        if exists process "CharPaletteServer" then
                do shell script "killall CharPaletteServer"
        else
                tell application "CharPaletteServer" to activate
        end if
end tell


NovaScotian 01-29-2006 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mark hunte
Same Here..

The script adaptation is below.
Code:

tell application "System Events"
        if exists process "CharPaletteServer" then
                do shell script "killall CharPaletteServer"
        else
                tell application "CharPaletteServer" to activate
        end if
end tell


Now, if we could only figure out how to make it keyboard sensitive so you could let your fingers do the walking and then put the selected character in your clipboard or at the insertion point in a document instead of dragging it there.

Reacher 01-29-2006 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NovaScotian
Now, if we could only figure out how to make it keyboard sensitive so you could let your fingers do the walking and then put the selected character in your clipboard or at the insertion point in a document instead of dragging it there.

Not exactly a keyboard shortcut, but the "Insert with Font" button eliminates the need for drag-n-drop.

Thanks, Mark Hunte, for the Character Palette script. This will also come in very handy.

Las_Vegas 01-29-2006 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaScotian
Now, if we could only figure out how to make it keyboard sensitive so you could let your fingers do the walking and then put the selected character in your clipboard or at the insertion point in a document instead of dragging it there.

Most applications will paste the selected character from the Character Palette if you simply double click the character. Some less-smart aps will paste the appropriate character code, but fail to change the font, so selecting the resulting 'garbage character' and changing its font as indicated in Character Palette will fix it.

kid4today 11-06-2006 12:34 PM

Hello, I bought my very first Mac this week (the latest iMac).
I'm getting on well with it and slowly getting to grips.

However I have one small problem to do with special characters, in particular the cubed symbol.

I have searched google and came up with the answers posted earlier in this thread (ie: look in the character palette) but the cubed symbol doesn't seem to appear in the character palette either which seems rather strange.

I've looked through the 'Mathematical symbols' and 'Numbers and Number symbols' sections and cannot find cubed anywhere. I can see cubed root and fourth root but not plain old cubed.
Am i looking in the right place? Incidentally I also didn't see squared whilst i was searching. It would seem logical to me that cubed and squared would be somewhere near to cubed squared and fourth squared but it seems not. At the moment I'm having to find an example of cubed on the net and then copy paste it which obviously isn't an ideal situation.

NovaScotian 11-06-2006 02:36 PM

Open the Character Palette, select view "Roman" and in the left pane select "Digits". The second and third from last rows contain a number of options for super and sub scripts including cubed.³

ThreeBKK 11-06-2006 02:52 PM

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Or you can just cut and paste a cubed symbol from someone else's text.

If you can copy the character from another source, then you can paste it into the search field at the bottom of Character Palette. After a second or two the program will show you where it's located in the palette (which collection).

Screen shot for reference:


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