Some Windows Users are mistaken...
 

I was talking to a Windows user and I asked him why he wouldnt ever think about switching to Mac and he said..
"Im big on media and the OSX only uses Quicktime..."

I laughed and showed him this picture
http://66-74-202-29.san.rr.com/~dmaldo/osxplayers.jpg

That was all he could come up with?
Good reply to his silly comment. :)

yeah obviously he didint know as much as he claimed. Sometimes the windows users are so neglective to the fact that OSX can do evrything XP can do, but XP cant do evrything OSX can do......:cool:

Moving to Coat Room... :)

OS X 10.1.5 can NOT do everything XP can do out of the box, unfortunately. One of the grooviest features of XP in my opinion, is its ability to share a dialup PPP connection with other computers over a network. OS X simply can't do it without 3rd-party software.

I understand, however, that Jaguar can do this nifty trick.

XP also has a great feature that I wish OS X had: Filmstrip view. Load a folder with a bunch of photos from your digital camera, select "Filmstrip" from XP's folder views icon and a largish image of whatever photo you're selecting appears. This is sort of like iPhoto without having to launch it. OS X should have something like this--it's a fab feature.

Andy

Share a dial up connection? How often is that actually utilized? Dial up is slow enough for one person, I'd hate to see it split for two (or more).

Filmstrip sounds a lot like the preview in Column view in OS X. I haven't seen it, so I can't be sure. But if it is, OS X has it beat because the preview isn't limited to photos -- OS X also previews text files, PDF files, movies, etc.

Not saying either OS is better (but the name of the MacOSXHints forum should be an indication of which I personally prefer). I think it's just comparing personal opinions for the most part.

I use the PPP Dialup sharing feature every single day. Like many people, I don't have access to any kind of broadband connection. I am forced to use dialup, so this feature comes in very handy. Yes, dialup is slow. But since I don't have any alternatives, I can't do anything about that. I'll bet I'm not alone.

Anyway, think about this: when two--or even more--people are surfing, what are they really doing? Basically they're downloading pages and reading them, usually at different times. With that kind of use there's absolutely no slowdown. Now, utilize that same behavior while downloading a large file and it does bog down; but it's still better than the alternative, which is my wife and I fighting over who gets to use the computer. Dialup PPP sharing is a great feature.

And the Preview pane in OS X is a poor cousin to the much better thought-out way XP displays images in folders. With XP you see a row of fairly large thumbnails at the bottom of the window. Move your mouse over any one of them and that image displays much larger above the "strip." Even better, any folder containing only image files can be viewed with small thumbnails of the first four photos contained in the folder pasted on the folder itself. It's a fabulous, visual, way of determining what's in that folder without having to open it. Apple should steal this feature and expand on it--it is just awesome.

Andy

Like I said, I haven't seen the Filmstrip, so my comments on it really aren't worth reading. ;)

Personally, when I'm using my dialup connection I am using it to its fullest, all on my own. I use Mozilla to have multiple tabs open, and there's almost always a page loading in the background. I can see how you may want to share the dial up connection in your situation, but I don't see it as common enough to make it a real issue with OS X.

Just my two copper plated zinc bits.

Well, I think the point was that there's some things that XP does that OS X does not. Sharing a dialup PPP connection from my XP box with my three Macs is a pretty big deal over here.

But let's be fair. There's stuff OS X does that XP can't touch. We'll start with iMovie and move on with the most basic interface issues like, say, initiating a dialup PPP session.

Movie Maker sucks, pure and simple. There's just no comparison between it and iMovie. It's slow and counter-intuitive. iMovie just blows it away.

Initiating a PPP dialup session is as simple as selecting it from the Menu bar in OS X--that is, once you've checked on the option for it in Internet Connect. First setting up, then starting the PPP session in XP is a chore by comparison.

Andy

Hee hee, this reminds me of the macboy parody of a switch ad with Mr Gates.

:)

Im going to agree with nkuvu. Because he is absolutely right about the PPP 56k Sharing being a big enough issue to make XP on top. No one wants to share 56k. Even if you were forced to, there just isint enough people out there to do it, you have to see that the world is gradually moving to broadband more and more.
I personally think OSX will be the future OS for most computer users....XP's silly little features like film strip isint that great. If Mac users demand something like this then maybe Apple will consider adding the feature. But really face it, OSX is just the better OS:D

Morpheus, you are comitting a few logical errors here. Allow me to clarify my position a tad further by responding to some of your points:

Because he is absolutely right about the PPP 56k Sharing being a big enough issue to make XP on top.

First off, what evidence do you have that the PPP 56K sharing issue isn't a big deal? It's a great feature that I, for one, rely upon every day. Secondly, the point of this isn't which OS is necessarily better; someone said OS X has the same features that XP does and I provided two examples of why that is not true.

there just isint enough people out there to do it, you have to see that the world is gradually moving to broadband more and more.

The world is indeed moving to broadband. Personally, I can't wait. But I believe there are enough people out there--people like me, who don't have the cable infrastructure in place and/or are too far away from the phone company for DSL--who don't have broadband access that a feature like 56K PPP sharing comes in very handy. You can't disregard an entire population of users just because they don't fit your particular world view.

I personally think OSX will be the future OS for most computer users....XP's silly little features like film strip isint that great.

Again, we could discuss the merits of this feature all night--I personally love it--but I brought it up to illustrate a feature in XP that isn't in OS X.

If Mac users demand something like this then maybe Apple will consider adding the feature. But really face it, OSX is just the better OS

I agree wholeheartedly. But for different reasons.

Andy

There are 5 people in out house (my wife and I along with three other grad students) sharing one phone line. No broadband. PPP sharing would be great. (Just to add another voice.) The world may be moving toward broadband, but the telecoms can attest to the fact that it isn't happening very quickly. And it isn't available in a lot of places.

Also, OS X doesn't do virtual desktops (or multiple logins or whatever you want to call it). XP does. This is nice when you (as admin) want access to files in another persons folder (from iTumes or iPhoto, for example) but can't get in because you aren't logged in as root. This actually happens a lot with my wife and I...

Well, there is one thing that Windows undisputably has over Mac OS X. Viruses. And as far as I'm concerned, they can have them!

My husband was up late again last night, removing Bongo-Buddy (or whatever it was called) and W32.Yaha.F@mm. Last week it was some "happy virus". The week before, two of the PCs had Bongo-Buddy. He was scanning and scanning our 3 PCs for hours while I was happily enjoying my Macs. :)

The problem is my husband has allowed our children use his computer to play online games. I know Bongo-Buddy and the "happy virus" can be received just by viewing a webpage. I have no idea how that other one got on his computer. He's disabled downloads before to help prevent it, but I suspect he forgot to disable it when he let my daughter use the computer. Our daughter's email is strickly web-based so I can't imagine how one of her emails could have given him a virus. He uses NAV and keeps his definitions updated, but that's not enough to prevent the viruses. Sadly, he has no choice but to password protect his computer and tell our daughters they can no longer use it.

And there's one other thing I don't have since I don't run XP. I don't have to call Daddy Gates and ask, "Daddy, may I?" every time I make a change to my computer. ;)

It's funny because one of the things people didn't like about the early Macs is that you couldn't make changes yourself. You had to take your Mac to the shop so they could use the "special tool" to open it. PC lovers praised themselves for being able to open the box and do what they wanted without having anyone looking over their shoulder. Now, it's a decade later, and, oh my, just look at how that's changed.

There are a couple of things I've seen Windows computers do that I've thought were cooler than Macs (sorry, I can't remember them), but they don't even come close in numbers to the things my Macs can do that the Windows computers can't. Each OS will have some good features and some bad features, but when you look at the total of it all, Mac OS X beats them all, without question.

I just wanted to clarify my position -- I have never heard of anyone sharing a dialup connection, but I can definitely imagine why someone would want to do so.

I moved at the beginning of June, and now I am able to get DSL, and I wasn't able to before this. I could have gotten cable or wireless broadband, but at the time both would cost about $300 just to get set up (hardware, installation fees, etc).* Then $50 per month. I couldn't afford that, and I fully sympathize with anyone else who can't. Or worse, people who could afford it but it's not available. I consider myself to be very lucky in that regard.

I really didn't want this to become a "my OS is better than yours" discussion. I think baryonyx made a good point, and I agree 100% that the point is not about which OS is better. Windows has things that OS X does not. OS X has things that Windows does not. Which is better is really a matter of opinion. :)

But like I have already said, I think my opinions are pretty clear just by being here.


* Note: There are a number of broadband companies offering free hardware and free installation with a contract. Earthlink even offers the first month for free.

Mutiple logins in OS X
 

Hey sbur, my wife and I share a tibook and it never fails that when I am logged in she wants to look at something. Instead of logging out and back in I just go to the terminal and log in as root and look at whatever it is. It it is just text I use vi but you use the open command to open a file so that it comes up in the Finder.

Just a thought.

gmleeii

more than two in an out house around here is a very private affair :D

And I thought the only out houses left in the world were in Alaska. Go figure.

:D

Merv: 5 in the house sounds more exciting than it really is. While I can't complain too much, I'm ready for my wife to graduate so we can move on and regain our privacy.


gmleeii: That only works if the other person doesn't need the GUI and/or is unix literate. My wife knows the basic idea of what unix is, but has never needed to use the terminal side of things...and never wants to. I'm the wanna-be unix geek...though I will say that it would still be easier if there were virtual desktops.

I've used XP a couple of times, and I like it a lot more than any of the previous incarnations of the windows train wreck. It wouldn't bother me to use it on a daily basis. The unix side of OS X is what kept me loyal. I was really thinking about switching to the dark side before I played with OS X on a friends computer. So I think the "Windoz sux" mantra is no longer as valid as it used to be. I just like having unix and a "mainstream" OS booted at the same time.

Personally, I don't see what's not to like about XP from a user perspective. It's more of the Mac than any other incarnation of Windows yet. It still can't touch OS X for its beauty and consistency. Now if Apple can just get the Open/Save dialogs right...

Anyway, the question of who's got the PPP sharing will be moot in a couple of weeks--Jaguar has it, from what I understand.

Andy