It's just annoying. Don't know why they couldn't have just *really* made a two button mouse =\

You should give it a few days, right now you are purposely agonozing over it so it's going to seem 100 times worse. ;)

Maybe so...but too late now.

Just gonna stick with the trust (aluminum colored) Logitech MX 500

Grrr Apple, Grrr.

No comment.


Until this mouse came out I would never consider a multi-button mouse (I mean I've always wanted one, and have been anxiously awaiting Apple's announcement - but I will not buy a third party mouse. There's just something wrong with the idea...) ... but now that I'm actually thinking about the idea of using an Apple mouse with a [right button], I'm realizing that beause of the angle that I hold the mouse, all my fingers are on the right side anyway. I'll either have to customize the buttons or just start holding the mouse with it angled a few degrees more to the right so that I'll have a finger or two on the left where most of my clicking will be. Although, I suppose that just by having a mouse will a scroll ball in the middle may change the way I hold it anyway... don't most people use scroll wheels with their index finger, putting all their other fingers to the right? Which makes me wonder, MBHockey, is it so weird to be picking up that index finger to right click when you have to do it to scroll anyway? I mean, I don't know about you but I'm scrolling a lot more than I'm using contextual menus anyway.

Thanks for the updates, MBHockey. From what you describe, I wouldn't want one either, even if it came free with the computer.

Even though i use my index finger to scroll, that's different, because i am lifting it to use it. To right click with this mouse, you have to lift your index finger, to click with your middle finger, so you get a real right click.

To get an idea...lift your thumb off the surface your mouse is sitting on every time you right click. It just seems useless and annoying, which is exactly why i returned the mouse. It's a shame...the scrolling nub was a lot of fun...would have liked the mouse itself to be a little more ergonomic, too.

It seems Apple went halfway with this mouse. It is still very much like a one button mouse, save the scroll nub (IMO), and i didn't feel comfortable paying $50 for something i was only somewhat satisfied with when i could have something for $28 off amazon (MX 500) that i'd be perfectly happy with.

Funny....I have alway instinctively rasied my left finger when I right click.

Apple just did this to please the people who say "A one button mouse!?! Thats the stupidist thing I've ever heard!"

I'm glad that Apple released a new mouse, but I don't think they should have done it for that reason. If you really wanted a right click feature, you could
(a) go third party or
(b) Ctrl + click

And please don't complain about lifting your left finger to right click. You act like its so difficult.

You are right. I surely didn't see this one coming. Only factor that keeps me uninterested on this mouse is the wired part. If it was wireless then I probably would have one on order as we speak. But its only a matter of time before a bluetooth version appears.

Sigh. I guess this is directed at me.

Of course it isn't difficult. Is it difficult to move 7 windows on top of each other off of one another by consecutively dragging them apart? No. But why do it, Pantherman, when you have Exposé?

Similarly, why be forced into making this conscious, unnecessary motion (for all of us who aren't as obviously blessed with your intrinsic gift of index-finger-lifting-whilst-right-clicking, of course) when i can have a (IMO) better functioning mouse (Logitech MX 500) for $20 less?

Nothing on MacOS X is difficult. But why take a less efficient route?

I don't no how many are blessed with the "right click" instinct, but I would harldly call having to lift your finger a less efficent route.

As for you Logitech mouse, I am simply to blinded by my arrogance to buy outside of Apple. I really don't like to do that, and I only will when I have no other recourse.

I plan to get this mouse, regardless out what you guys say about it.

Yikes.

Secondly, my purpose was to inform others on my findings. I am not trying to get you to buy it, or not to. Just offering what I've found.

There's a brand marketer having wet dreams about you right now.

Looks like I'm going to have to go try this thing out. Do they have them on any of the machines in the stores so you can use it?

Well this whole thing discussion got me to analyze my mouse clicking habits. At work I use (and have been using for the past 4 years) a Microsoft Intellimouse (rebranded Logitech) USB & laser model. It has 4 buttons plus a clickable scroll wheel. It's one of the original ergonomic designs and one of the first laser models from what I remember.

Anyway, I don't use the thumb buttons, left click with right finger raised, right click with left finger raised and scroll with my right click finger (middle). Not sure how I started clicking like that or if I've been doing it all along because I've never paid attention before. So I guess the Apple mouse would suit me fine.

I can appreciate not liking something because it's uncomfortable and you aren't used to it. It would drive me nuts too... but thats only temporary. Having played the drums and learning some chords on a guitar, none of those things felt comfortable at first either, but after you do certain motions for a even just a few days muscle memory takes over and one day you realize wow, I didn't even have to think about moving my fingers, blah blah blah. Much of what we do is muscle memory. Learning to type is a prime example. That was hard when I first learned in college, but now 15 years later I type without thinking about it. But ask me to slow down and think about what I'm doing and it all goes to hell.

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Thats a little disturbing. Sick when you really think about it.


Whats Yikes? I missed out on the greatness of Apple for most of my computer using life, so I need to play catch up. ;)

Anyway YOU might not think so, but I believe that Apple makes good enough hardware and software, though slightly lacking in service and support, to not have to go outside the company.

After reading MBHockey's assessment of this, I'd definitely have to try it out in store before even thinking about buying this. I don't lift my left finger when I right click, so this would be ultimately frustrating.

Muscle memory might take minutes or hours or days to adapt, but during that time I'd be getting thoroughly annoyed at the mouse. When I got The Mouse from MacMice, the buttons were a lot harder to press than any other mouse I've used. Sure, I might have adapted, but it was like using my nose to type.

In my personal opinion, the quality of the peripherals can change the way you see the entire system. If the keyboard or mouse are not working the way you want, they're getting in the way, leading to irritation. Irritation leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side.

You don't want anyone to turn to the dark side just over a mouse, do you?

3rd-party devices?
 

I'm just wondering how long it'll take to hack the driver to work with third-party devices, assuming they don't already work...

What are you referring to?
Are you talking about 3rd-party mice? They usually either work out of the box with the existing generic drivers or else come with their own driver.

Yes, I know. But, for example, I have a Kensington trackball, and I don't like the Kensington software because there's a delay between when you click the buttons and when it registers on the screen (at least on the 2 or 3 machines I've tried). Given that when I use Apple's generic driver for my trackball, that problem goes away, I would think that Apple's driver for their 4-button mouse would also not have that delay. Therefore my hope is that the driver can be used with third-party devices (or hacked to work with them), so that I can have my cake and eat it too: a Kensington 4-button trackball using Apple's 4-button driver, and thus programmable buttons with no click delay.

When are they going to allow you to include these MM with an order of a new G5? :confused:

The Apple web site lets you include a KB&MM with an order of a Mac Mini for an extra $20 over a standard KB&M... :mad:

Dude, you're spending like $1,700. What's another $20?