Finallyyyy a 2 button mouse from Apple!!!!
 

It looks gorgeous.

http://www.apple.com/

http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/

Pretty much solves my mouse hunting dilemma :D

mines on order! :D

do you think the apple retail stores will have them?

i'm going to the apple store that is about 10 min from my house in a half hour to see...if not i'm ordering it

wow! you've got to let us know how it feels if they have it (i'd imagine they would).

I doubt they will be..... I am really surprised there has been no new rumors about them on the internet recently... it must have been a pretty secret operation!

i read one a few months back (like 2) and all i remember was the source said "jaws will drop"

maybe someone not in the US can call their local Apple store? mine doesn't open for 28 more minutes ...

Same here...opens at 10 EST

found this on this page (right side bar)

No Bluetooth version for us PowerBook users? Bummer.

I want 360 degree scrolling badly

Just got back...they don't have them in yet.

The nice lady told me probably tomorrow first thing in the AM...so i'll call first

Yeah, I'm waiting for a Bluetooth version too.

Do you already have a scroll wheel mouse? In some apps, you press a key like Shift or Option and the wheel scrolls horizontally.

Looks nice, but seems a little pricey! I've been using various 2-button mice with Macs for years and have never spent more than $20 on one. Right-click for contextual menus, left-click for select/open, scroll, and some even have programmable squeeze buttons.

I wonder if Apple will begin shipping these with new Macs?

out of curiosity i just called after i was in there...it's now in stock..must have gotten the shipment in the last hour!!...i'm going to get it at 12:30 :)

Yeah they do look awesome.

But technically, it still only has one button. They just added some senors to tell when you click on the left or right side of the mouse.

But I still think its awesome! I just gave my Logitech mouse to our family Dell since the other mouse ( non-optical ) was going. I was going to buy another Logitech, but why go outside Apple? :)

I'm going to CompUSA today to return a crappy little iPod-speaker-and-dock thing that sounds absolutely atrocious. Maybe I'll be incredibly lucky and they'll have Mighty Mice in stock. I'd love to have a real Apple mouse attached to my Apple keyboard for my iBook when I'm at home.

I'd get an Apple display, too, but since Apple doesn't make a display that can attach to the iBook.... :rolleyes:

Has anyone used the Mighty Mouse?

It looks incredible, but I'm curious about the touch sensitive buttons. Specifically, can you rest your fingers on it and not click? It would be a pain to have to hold your fingers off of the mouse to prevent accidental clicking.

I haven't used it, I merely carefully read the Apple web pages describing it.
It doesn't have "touch sensitive buttons" - it has touch sensitive areas that determine which area was pressed. I.e. it is like the existing one-button mouse where the "button" is the whole surface of the mouse. You press down on the surface and the touch sensitive areas figure out whether you pressed on the left or right side.

I'm interested in the MM also, but I'd have to definitely test drive it first.

This was a good move because one of the biggest problem switchers probably have is getting used to the 1 button mouse. If you're brought up on one, it's no big deal, but if you're used to 2 buttons and a wheel, it's probably pretty cumbersome to switch.

Just got back from the Apple Store in the Palisades mall...i picked one up...they said i was the first person to buy it...taking it out of the box now...! :)

first impressions?

I read the Apple pages also, but that wasn't too clear.

"Touch-sensitive technology under Mighty Mouse’s seamless top shell detect where you’re clicking" seems to indicate that the body doesn't move at all. Like the buttons on an iPod. Even in the tech specs, "full-body button with touch-sensitive technology beneath for left-, right- and Scroll Ball clicking" isn't explicit.

I've read a bunch of comments on this mouse already, and this is the second most asked question so far. The first is "OMGWTFBBQ it's not BT?"

It's the SAME mechanical click as the one button mouse...it's really cool...it knows though...which side you've actually clicked.

the scroll button is really cool...you can scroll it like a scroll wheel or simply push it up and hold it to scroll...the 360 scroll is really cool

Apple did it again. i must say.

what if you just barely tap on the right (or left) side? a tap that could be confused for a click, but for a normal 2/3 button mouse, would not engage as an actual mouse click because not enough force is applied? does it pick that up? how sensitive is it?

Now only if they can come up with a mechanism to right click on a PowerBook I'd be happy! Even after a few weeks I still have to think about holding down the Ctrl key before clicking.

It's not that sensitive where it would confuse that for a click.

The only annoying thing i've come across is that if you want to right click...you have to remove your left finger from the area of the mosue that is sensitive to that click..so you have to raise it..or move it over.

OYE -- maybe I won't be buying one :(

It sounds like you haven't used the existing one-button mouse that comes standard with new Macs. You need to press down on the mouse surface hard enough to activate the mechanical switch. The touch-sensitive stuff is merely for determining where you pressed.

Install iScroll and you can get a right-click menu if you hit the PowerBook button with two fingers on the trackpad. iScroll does other cool things, if you have a pre-2005 PowerBook.

I found then when I went looking, but my PowerBook is a 2005 model, not even a month old yet.

i've used the one-button mouse a few times, and my words were poorly phrased above -- but, my question was answered: the Mighty Mouse is not over-sensitive in determing where one presses on the mouse.

I think I like the scroll idea. I don't find the MS mice's left-right scrolling to be very useful (it's just a toggle for left/right, not a wheel movement). No BT is disappointing though.

I wonder how long until someone writes a gesture-driver for the scroll pad? Quick left swipe for back in a browser, quick down swipe to close a window, etc.

The mouse is good...now that i've had it a while...but it seems less like a two button mouse and more like a one button modified mouse.

click with left finger --> left click
click with both finger --> left click
click with right finger, while left finger remains on top shell --> left click
raise left finger, click with right finger --> right click

I really do like it..the full mouse button for left click thingy..feels more mac like to me...my left finger naturally raises a little when i right click..so it's really not hard to get used to at all.

I LOVE the scroll button..it's awesome..and the side buttons activate dashboard which is really cool.

Definitely a keeper.

What about the sounds that it makes? Apple says that it makes virtual scrolling and clicking sounds with an internal speaker? Does it still makes the normal click on the down and up like the "old" ones do? If so, when does it make the "virtual" sounds?

the scroll nub makes a noise when you use it, as do the side buttons. the left and right click noise is just the mechanical noise of the mouse clicking

Is it annoying? Can it be turned off?

I don't think it can be turned off...it's not annoying. You only hear it if it is very quiet in the room. Similar to the iPod clicking noise, but much softer.

FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'M SO HAPPY I JUST CRAPPED MY PANTS.

i think i am going to return it, sadly. :(

Although it's not _that_ annoying to lift my finger to right click, it is certainly an extra effort, and it's beginning to get on my nerves.

For the life of me i cannot figure out why they didn't just make it pressure sensitive.

That's weird, with every two button mouse I lift my finger to the right button…I only use one finger to click and scroll anyway so I don't see it as a problem.
What's so annoying about it? Too much strain?

From what i've read this mouse will soon be mine!

It's just annoying. Don't know why they couldn't have just *really* made a two button mouse =\

You should give it a few days, right now you are purposely agonozing over it so it's going to seem 100 times worse. ;)

Maybe so...but too late now.

Just gonna stick with the trust (aluminum colored) Logitech MX 500

Grrr Apple, Grrr.

No comment.


Until this mouse came out I would never consider a multi-button mouse (I mean I've always wanted one, and have been anxiously awaiting Apple's announcement - but I will not buy a third party mouse. There's just something wrong with the idea...) ... but now that I'm actually thinking about the idea of using an Apple mouse with a [right button], I'm realizing that beause of the angle that I hold the mouse, all my fingers are on the right side anyway. I'll either have to customize the buttons or just start holding the mouse with it angled a few degrees more to the right so that I'll have a finger or two on the left where most of my clicking will be. Although, I suppose that just by having a mouse will a scroll ball in the middle may change the way I hold it anyway... don't most people use scroll wheels with their index finger, putting all their other fingers to the right? Which makes me wonder, MBHockey, is it so weird to be picking up that index finger to right click when you have to do it to scroll anyway? I mean, I don't know about you but I'm scrolling a lot more than I'm using contextual menus anyway.

Thanks for the updates, MBHockey. From what you describe, I wouldn't want one either, even if it came free with the computer.

Even though i use my index finger to scroll, that's different, because i am lifting it to use it. To right click with this mouse, you have to lift your index finger, to click with your middle finger, so you get a real right click.

To get an idea...lift your thumb off the surface your mouse is sitting on every time you right click. It just seems useless and annoying, which is exactly why i returned the mouse. It's a shame...the scrolling nub was a lot of fun...would have liked the mouse itself to be a little more ergonomic, too.

It seems Apple went halfway with this mouse. It is still very much like a one button mouse, save the scroll nub (IMO), and i didn't feel comfortable paying $50 for something i was only somewhat satisfied with when i could have something for $28 off amazon (MX 500) that i'd be perfectly happy with.

Funny....I have alway instinctively rasied my left finger when I right click.

Apple just did this to please the people who say "A one button mouse!?! Thats the stupidist thing I've ever heard!"

I'm glad that Apple released a new mouse, but I don't think they should have done it for that reason. If you really wanted a right click feature, you could
(a) go third party or
(b) Ctrl + click

And please don't complain about lifting your left finger to right click. You act like its so difficult.

You are right. I surely didn't see this one coming. Only factor that keeps me uninterested on this mouse is the wired part. If it was wireless then I probably would have one on order as we speak. But its only a matter of time before a bluetooth version appears.

Sigh. I guess this is directed at me.

Of course it isn't difficult. Is it difficult to move 7 windows on top of each other off of one another by consecutively dragging them apart? No. But why do it, Pantherman, when you have Exposé?

Similarly, why be forced into making this conscious, unnecessary motion (for all of us who aren't as obviously blessed with your intrinsic gift of index-finger-lifting-whilst-right-clicking, of course) when i can have a (IMO) better functioning mouse (Logitech MX 500) for $20 less?

Nothing on MacOS X is difficult. But why take a less efficient route?

I don't no how many are blessed with the "right click" instinct, but I would harldly call having to lift your finger a less efficent route.

As for you Logitech mouse, I am simply to blinded by my arrogance to buy outside of Apple. I really don't like to do that, and I only will when I have no other recourse.

I plan to get this mouse, regardless out what you guys say about it.

Yikes.

Secondly, my purpose was to inform others on my findings. I am not trying to get you to buy it, or not to. Just offering what I've found.

There's a brand marketer having wet dreams about you right now.

Looks like I'm going to have to go try this thing out. Do they have them on any of the machines in the stores so you can use it?

Well this whole thing discussion got me to analyze my mouse clicking habits. At work I use (and have been using for the past 4 years) a Microsoft Intellimouse (rebranded Logitech) USB & laser model. It has 4 buttons plus a clickable scroll wheel. It's one of the original ergonomic designs and one of the first laser models from what I remember.

Anyway, I don't use the thumb buttons, left click with right finger raised, right click with left finger raised and scroll with my right click finger (middle). Not sure how I started clicking like that or if I've been doing it all along because I've never paid attention before. So I guess the Apple mouse would suit me fine.

I can appreciate not liking something because it's uncomfortable and you aren't used to it. It would drive me nuts too... but thats only temporary. Having played the drums and learning some chords on a guitar, none of those things felt comfortable at first either, but after you do certain motions for a even just a few days muscle memory takes over and one day you realize wow, I didn't even have to think about moving my fingers, blah blah blah. Much of what we do is muscle memory. Learning to type is a prime example. That was hard when I first learned in college, but now 15 years later I type without thinking about it. But ask me to slow down and think about what I'm doing and it all goes to hell.

:eek:


Thats a little disturbing. Sick when you really think about it.


Whats Yikes? I missed out on the greatness of Apple for most of my computer using life, so I need to play catch up. ;)

Anyway YOU might not think so, but I believe that Apple makes good enough hardware and software, though slightly lacking in service and support, to not have to go outside the company.

After reading MBHockey's assessment of this, I'd definitely have to try it out in store before even thinking about buying this. I don't lift my left finger when I right click, so this would be ultimately frustrating.

Muscle memory might take minutes or hours or days to adapt, but during that time I'd be getting thoroughly annoyed at the mouse. When I got The Mouse from MacMice, the buttons were a lot harder to press than any other mouse I've used. Sure, I might have adapted, but it was like using my nose to type.

In my personal opinion, the quality of the peripherals can change the way you see the entire system. If the keyboard or mouse are not working the way you want, they're getting in the way, leading to irritation. Irritation leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side.

You don't want anyone to turn to the dark side just over a mouse, do you?

3rd-party devices?
 

I'm just wondering how long it'll take to hack the driver to work with third-party devices, assuming they don't already work...

What are you referring to?
Are you talking about 3rd-party mice? They usually either work out of the box with the existing generic drivers or else come with their own driver.

Yes, I know. But, for example, I have a Kensington trackball, and I don't like the Kensington software because there's a delay between when you click the buttons and when it registers on the screen (at least on the 2 or 3 machines I've tried). Given that when I use Apple's generic driver for my trackball, that problem goes away, I would think that Apple's driver for their 4-button mouse would also not have that delay. Therefore my hope is that the driver can be used with third-party devices (or hacked to work with them), so that I can have my cake and eat it too: a Kensington 4-button trackball using Apple's 4-button driver, and thus programmable buttons with no click delay.

When are they going to allow you to include these MM with an order of a new G5? :confused:

The Apple web site lets you include a KB&MM with an order of a Mac Mini for an extra $20 over a standard KB&M... :mad:

Dude, you're spending like $1,700. What's another $20?

I love my new mighty mouse. I don't mind lifting my index finger to right click, as thats what I was doing on my The Mouse BT. I personally find the Apple mice fit my hands and that was the reason for me buying The Mouse BT.

When Apple brought this mouse out it was basically love at first sight. When I first started reading the page it was "o0o neat. so what does it do", read on a bit more, discovered the scrolling nub and it was "I need this". Now I've been using it for a little over 8 hours and I don't think I'll need another mouse for a couple of years.

What I like so much about the mouse is the side click is a little hard to activate sometimes, but most of the time my fingers are in the right positions, and being able to clear my desktop without having to reach up the top of the keyboard to F11 is a real timesaver. The other Brilliant feature of this mouse is the nub is so easy to use, and it feels so damn right. Yes its a small ball, yes it turns in any direction and yes its a little weird to feel under the finger-pad to start with, but once you get used to it, it friggin well blows you away!!

I am definitely not needing another mouse for 2+ years.. :D

I think this is a great thing, but it needs to be a part of the Mac desktop line. That way a new switcher's Mac can grow with them as there computer needs change.

I think potential switchers will find this mouse unintuitive.

If apple really wanted to lure potential switchers with this, they wouldn't have tried so hard to keep the one button style of it.

Most Windows users do not use the right mouse button.
Recall that almost by definition, the readers (and certainly the posters) of these forums are much more technically inclined than the vast majority of the population. (Most people don't ever consult online forums.)
Most users (Windows or Mac) are not all that concerned with operations-per-minute efficiency. Most non-power users use the menubar menus even for common operations like Copy & Paste instead of bothering to learn keyboard shortcuts.

Anyway, I think the main emphasis of this new mouse is on the scroll wheel. It provides right-click functionality as a nice extra for the relative few who will use it.

As always, good points, hayne.

It's an extra $50. If you buy a G5 tower, you need to buy a MM separate from the standard KB&M. They don't let you configure the G5 towers with a MM included for an extra $20 (as of a few days ago). They only let you do this with the Mac Mini for some reason.

Went to check it out today at the Apple store, and did not like it a bit. Scrolling thingy is not good at all, to me it was absolutely inferior to every middle quality two buttons mouse I have come across.

Will stick to my single button, got no problems with it, would probably replace it even if it came with a new machine.

picking back up on the mice ... :)

i am thinking about replacing my old Microsoft Intellimouse Optical with either the Mighty Mouse or the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer. I haven't tried the Mighty Mouse yet, but a lab-mate has the Intellimouse Explorer, and it feels mighty yummie to my hand. I like how it has the 'tilt wheel' techonology for side-to-side scrolling. The only thing I didn't like about it was that vertical wheel scrolling seemed a bit slow compared to my Intellimouse Optical (perhaps I should increase the scroll rate? or is this related to the increased resistance of the Intellimouse Explorer vs. Optical?).

I don't think I can go wireless or bluetooth -- I'd really like the convenience, but I think the decreased tracking speed would drive me crazy when working on things that require precise mouse tracking.

Anyone have any thoughts about the MS Intellimouse Explorer? OS X compatibility? Drivers to enable fun things for the extra buttons?

I was just about to post back here...i ordered a Logitech MX 500 off of Amazon (for $26 shipped) the day after i bought my Mighty Mouse and subsequently returned it.

The MX 500 arrived today, and i couldn't be more pleased. It is slightly heavier than the MM, which i like, it conforms to my hand better, has more buttons, better tracking, standard right and left clicking behavior, and it matches my TiBook wonderfully!

I suggest getting USB Overdrive for your intellimouse...it's great software.

TRAITOR!!! :mad: :mad:

:confused:

You know Logitech has made every Apple mouse until the MM, right?

hmmmm ... 65 minutes until Best Buy closes (i think) ... :)

Yes. Whats your point? It's not Apple.

If you are talking to me, i believe my point is fairly obvious. ;)

Okay. And I said that your MX 500 is not an Apple brand mouse, so I don't care. If I have to go out of Apple for better products, then I will, because in rare cases, other companies do make products better than Apple, but to quote Homer Simpson, "Why eat Bacon when you can have Steak?" :D :p

so i bought the MS Intellimouse Explorer, and there are +'s and -'s vs. my old MS Intellimouse Optical. it's supposed to be 'ergnomical' -- slight slanted to the right. the way i normally hold my mouse + this slant = many incidental right clicks.

a big minus: the middle button (wheel click) is not as easy to click as my other mouse. this is extremely important to me. when i tested the MX 500, it had a good middle button click. and, for that matter, the MS Intellimouse Explorer had a decent middle click (probably a result of 1,000,000 people testing it out).


i'm wondering if i should take it back and give the MX 500 a try :)

three words: mad cow disease

Dude, it was a joke. :rolleyes:

dude, so was mine (although, mad cow disease is not funny ha ha)

Thats why I didn't take it was a joke. Mad Cow disease is no joke.

OK. I will refrain from discussing mad cow disease within a semi-joking context, and perhaps you can simply refrain in general.

back on topic ... the intellimouse explorer is going back tomorrow, unless i can configure a third-party driver to make it more user-friendly.

I also found the Intellimouse's middle click to be odd. I had it set up for expose - all windows, but there was a very odd, very noticeable delay when hitting it to when the windows would tile.

I also found the scroll wheel to be weird, since it has no notches, i couldn't tell when i was moving it.

I'm sticking with my trackball, so this whole thread is a moot point for me.

a trackball would be useful for some things i do, but do you think they are a bit large vs. 'normal mice' to carry around in a laptop bag?

I just bought the Mighty Mouse. I'm really enjoying it. I think the only problems I have with it are software related.

Firstly, the scrolling nub only works on the active window when your mouse is in the same window/pane that is to be scrolled. The active browser window I'm looking at doesn't scroll when my mouse is elsewhere on the screen including the title bar of this window. Because of this, when you're scrolling along in a web page and scrollable content comes along and gets placed under your cursor, page scrolling stops and the scrollable content scrolls until it's finished, after which page scrolling resumes. This is buggy for some ads in iframes when there is nothing to scroll. There doesn't seem to be a problem with this while scrolling up, but while scrolling down the page scrolling stops while the mouse driver attempts to scroll down the unscrollable ad container. I think I should be able to scroll the active window regardless of where my curser is... or at least scroll the most recently focused item, but only if the focus was attained via user interaction as opposed to script controlled focus. Is this behavior common of scroll wheels on other mice?

Secondly, it's not possible to set the scroll button to act as a left-click or a right-click. If you turn the scroll button off, then nothing happens when you use it. I think it would be convenient to keep my finger on the ball and just click as usual.

Yes. I have a Kensington trackball with a scroll ring, and a regular scroll-wheel mouse. Both of them behave that way using the standard Apple driver (I don't have the Kensington driver or the Mighty Mouse driver installed).

After all of my Apple-talk, I admit that I myself use a Logitech optical mouse, although I got it when I still used a PC, so I think I can be excused. ;)