I'm not sure what you mean by the "lists of devices" but you should show us the full logs - someone here might see a clue in the parts you have left out.
Note that you can attach them as plain text files via the "Manage Attachments" button that is at the bottom when you reply.

Please launch the "Terminal" application (under /Applications/Utilities) and copy & paste the following commands, press Return, then copy & paste the results back here so we can see:

ls -l /Library/Logs
echo ---------------

Last login: Tue Jun 21 15:55:52 on console
Welcome to Darwin!
You have new mail.
[Edward-Golds-Computer:~] edwardgo%
[Edward-Golds-Computer:~] edwardgo% ls -l /Library/Logs
total 40
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 May 31 17:48 Console
drwxr-xr-x 8 root admin 272 Jun 18 11:21 CrashReporter
drwxrwxr-x 6 root admin 204 Feb 7 09:02 DirectoryService
-rw-r--r-- 1 edwardgo admin 3606 Jun 8 17:32 Software Update.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 15888 Jun 21 04:42 panic.log
echo ---------------[Edward-Golds-Computer:~] edwardgo% echo ---------------

my 2 conplete crash messages with devices shown
 

Lacie DVD drive not attached:

Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x0000000088005B21 PC=0x000000000003FCF0
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x26E53780)
PC=0x0003FCF0; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x88005B21; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x0003FCD8; R1=0x11FEBD80; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x016F4AA0 0x0027ED48 0x0027E988 0x002A8604 0x000ABCB0 0x50574D2F
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x26E53780)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x26E55780)
PC=0x90031030; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x0F1F3014; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x00002AD4; R1=0xF00809A0; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.1.0: Tue May 10 18:16:08 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.1.5.obj~4/RELEASE_PPC
panic(cpu 0 caller 0xFFFF0003): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095564 0x00095A7C 0x0002683C 0x000A819C 0x000ABB00
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x26E53780)
PC=0x0003FCF0; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x88005B21; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x0003FCD8; R1=0x11FEBD80; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x016F4AA0 0x0027ED48 0x0027E988 0x002A8604 0x000ABCB0 0x50574D2F
Exception state (sv=0x26E55780)
PC=0x90031030; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x0F1F3014; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x00002AD4; R1=0xF00809A0; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.1.0: Tue May 10 18:16:08 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.1.5.obj~4/RELEASE_PPCModel: PowerMac3,6, BootROM 4.4.8f2, 1 processors, PowerPC G4 (3.3), 1.25 GHz, 768 MB
Graphics: ATI Radeon 9000 Pro, ATY,RV250, AGP, 64 MB
Memory Module: DIMM0/J21, 256 MB, DDR SDRAM, PC2600U-25330
Memory Module: DIMM1/J22, 512 MB, DDR SDRAM, PC2600U-25330
Modem: Dash2, UCJ, V.92, 1.0F, APPLE VERSION 2.6.4
Network Service: Built-in Ethernet, Ethernet, en0
PCI Card: pci1412,d634, sppci_audio, SLOT-5
Parallel ATA Device: IC35L040AVVA07-0, 38.35 GB
Parallel ATA Device: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R1312,
Parallel ATA Device: IBM-IC35L090AVV207-0, 76.69 GB
USB Device: Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard, Mitsumi Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: Microsoft Wireless Optical Mouse® 1.0A, Microsoft, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 100 mA
USB Device: Apple Pro Keyboard, Mitsumi Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 250 mA
USB Device: Apple internal modem, HCF USB V.90 Data/Fax Modem, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: Hub, , Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: EPSON Scanner, EPSON, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: MT4, Emagic GmbH, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: deskjet 5550, hp, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA

LaCie attached:

Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x000000000000000C PC=0x000000000015EA60
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x26E26C80)
PC=0x0015EA60; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x0000000C; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x0015EF94; R1=0x1214BCF0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x538DF1C1 0x0015EF94 0x00288758 0x0003C738 0x000A9694
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x26E26C80)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x26B68500)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.1.0: Tue May 10 18:16:08 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.1.5.obj~4/RELEASE_PPC
panic(cpu 0 caller 0xFFFF0003): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095564 0x00095A7C 0x0002683C 0x000A819C 0x000ABB00
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x26E26C80)
PC=0x0015EA60; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x0000000C; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x0015EF94; R1=0x1214BCF0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x538DF1C1 0x0015EF94 0x00288758 0x0003C738 0x000A9694
Exception state (sv=0x26B68500)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.1.0: Tue May 10 18:16:08 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.1.5.obj~4/RELEASE_PPC
Model: PowerMac3,6, BootROM 4.4.8f2, 1 processors, PowerPC G4 (3.3), 1.25 GHz, 768 MB
Graphics: ATI Radeon 9000 Pro, ATY,RV250, AGP, 64 MB
Memory Module: DIMM0/J21, 256 MB, DDR SDRAM, PC2600U-25330
Memory Module: DIMM1/J22, 512 MB, DDR SDRAM, PC2600U-25330
Modem: Dash2, UCJ, V.92, 1.0F, APPLE VERSION 2.6.4
Network Service: Built-in Ethernet, Ethernet, en0
PCI Card: pci1412,d634, sppci_audio, SLOT-5
Parallel ATA Device: IC35L040AVVA07-0, 38.35 GB
Parallel ATA Device: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R1312,
Parallel ATA Device: IBM-IC35L090AVV207-0, 76.69 GB
USB Device: Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard, Mitsumi Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: Microsoft Wireless Optical Mouse® 1.0A, Microsoft, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 100 mA
USB Device: Apple Pro Keyboard, Mitsumi Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 250 mA
USB Device: Hub, , Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: EPSON Scanner, EPSON, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: MT4, Emagic GmbH, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: deskjet 5550, hp, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
FireWire Device: > LaCie d2 DVD-RW Firewire, LaCie Group SA, Up to 400 Mb/sec

How do I do that?

There's that panic.log you said that you had trouble finding.

See the middle paragraph of post #13 above.

You need to disconnect all of your non-Apple peripherals while troubleshooting. You seem to have a whole bunch of USB devices attached - remove them. Don't use the MS Wireless Optical mouse - use the Apple-issued mouse that came with your computer.
The idea is to simplify the system - get it back to what Apple shipped to you. Then gradually, one by one add devices back on to see what is causing the problem.
And is that PCI card one that came with the computer or did you add it in afterwards?

Yes, Apple Care told me the same thing but there are a number of problems connected with this. The kernel panic happens occasionally and I'd have to run the computer for many days or even weeks under these circumstances to prove anything. And this is a working computer.

The PCI card is an audio card added by my Apple reseller, TekServe, who configured the computer. I'm running a MIDI-audio setup and do sequencing and composing. The additional memory, not Apple's they say, was also added by them.

The suggestion they made was to do the Hardware test or the Tech Tool Deluxe that Apple Care sent me (without allowing it to repair anything.). I can certainly use the Apple mouse for a time instead of the MS wireless, the transmitter of which is plugged into the keyboard hub and could easily be a source of some of the problems.

Many thanks,

Ed

Tiger - cannot shut down
 

From the system.log here is what happens when I cannot Shut Down from the Desktop.


Jun 22 08:16:24 Robert-Blackmores-Computer loginwindow[75]: sendQuitEventToApp (iCalAlarmScheduler): AESendMessage returned error -609
Jun 22 08:16:28 Robert-Blackmores-Computer shutdown: halt by robertblackmore:
Jun 22 08:16:30 Robert-Blackmores-Computer SystemStarter[390]: authentication service (417) did not complete successfully
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 10000 us
Jun 22 08:17:55 localhost mDNSResponder-107 (Mar 20 2005 20: 31:47)[48]: starting
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: vm_page_bootstrap: 125134 free pages
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: mig_table_max_displ = 70
Jun 22 08:17:55 localhost lookupd[46]: lookupd (version 365) starting - Wed Jun 22 08:17:55 2005
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: 80 prelinked modules
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: using 1310 buffer headers and 1310 cluster IO buffer headers
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: FireWire (OHCI) Apple ID 30 built-in now active, GUID 000393ff fe7bda4c; max speed s400.
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Security auditing service present
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: BSM auditing present
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: disabled
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: rooting via boot-uuid from /chosen: 5DF61345-1878-3B57-9D17-D4D059EEC3F5
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Waiting on <dict ID="0"><key>IOProviderClass</key><string ID="1">IOResources</string><key>IOResourceMatch</key><string ID="2">boot-uuid-media</string></dict>
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Got boot device = IOService:/MacRISC2PE/pci@f2000000/AppleMacRiscPCI/mac-io@17/AppleKeyLargo/ata-4@1f000/KeyLargoATA/ATADeviceNub@0/IOATABlockStorageDriver/IOATABlockStorageDevice/IOBlockStorageDriver/HDS722512VLAT80 Media/IOApplePartitionScheme/Apple_HFS_Untitled_2@10
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: BSD root: disk0s10, major 14, minor 9
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: jnl: replay_journal: from: 14525440 to: 2759680 (joffset 0xc99000)
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: HFS: Removed 6 orphaned unlinked files
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Jettisoning kernel linker.
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Resetting IOCatalogue.
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 2
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 4
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 4
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 4
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 4
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: NVDANV10HAL loaded and registered.
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost kernel[0]: IPv6 packet filtering initialized, default to accept, logging disabled
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost xinetd[52]: xinetd Version 2.3.11 started with libwrap options compiled in.
Jun 22 08:17:56 localhost xinetd[52]: Started working: 0 available services
Jun 22 08:17:57 localhost kernel[0]: UniNEnet: Ethernet address 00:03:93:7b:da:4c
Jun 22 08:17:57 localhost diskarbitrationd[40]: disk0s10 hfs 5DF61345-1878-3B57-9D17-D4D059EEC3F5 Macintosh HD /
Jun 22 08:17:57 localhost diskarbitrationd[40]: disk1s6 hfs 8FB2DC23-EEB5-34A5-A3AA-00207B99A713 LaCie HD [not mounted]
Jun 22 08:17:58 localhost kernel[0]: NVDA,NVMac: vram [98000000:04000000]
Jun 22 08:17:58 localhost launchd: Server 291f in bootstrap 1103 uid 0: "/usr/sbin/lookupd"[46]: exited abnormally: Hangup
Jun 22 08:17:58 localhost lookupd[73]: lookupd (version 365) starting - Wed Jun 22 08:17:58 2005
Jun 22 08:17:59 localhost /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow: Login Window Application Started
Jun 22 08:17:59 localhost loginwindow[74]: Login Window Started Security Agent
Jun 22 08:18:00 localhost kernel[0]: UniNEnet::monitorLinkStatus - Link is up at 100 Mbps - Full Duplex
Jun 22 08:18:00 localhost configd[38]: AppleTalk startup
Jun 22 08:18:00 Robert-Blackmores-Computer configd[38]: setting hostname to "Robert-Blackmores-Computer.local"
Jun 22 08:18:04 Robert-Blackmores-Computer mDNSResponder: Adding browse domain local.
Jun 22 08:18:05 Robert-Blackmores-Computer launchd: Server 0 in bootstrap 1103 uid 0: "/usr/sbin/lookupd"[73]: exited abnormally: Hangup
Jun 22 08:18:05 Robert-Blackmores-Computer lookupd[110]: lookupd (version 365) starting - Wed Jun 22 08:18:05 2005
Jun 22 08:18:06 Robert-Blackmores-Computer configd[38]: AppleTalk startup complete
Jun 22 08:18:06 Robert-Blackmores-Computer configd[38]: executing /System/Library/SystemConfiguration/Kicker.bundle/Contents/Resources/enable-network
Jun 22 08:18:06 Robert-Blackmores-Computer configd[38]: posting notification com.apple.system.config.network_change
Jun 22 08:18:06 Robert-Blackmores-Computer launchd: Server 4d0f in bootstrap 1103 uid 0: "/usr/sbin/lookupd"[110]: exited abnormally: Hangup
Jun 22 08:18:06 Robert-Blackmores-Computer lookupd[112]: lookupd (version 365) starting - Wed Jun 22 08:18:06 2005
Jun 22 08:18:10 Robert-Blackmores-Computer diskarbitrationd[40]: disk1s6 hfs 8FB2DC23-EEB5-34A5-A3AA-00207B99A713 LaCie HD /Volumes/LaCie HD
Jun 22 08:18:11 Robert-Blackmores-Computer configd[38]: target=enable-network: disabled
aped[62]: Attach denied: super-user process, for SmallScanner[157]

You could try testing the RAM with 'memtest':
http://www.memtestosx.org/

This is the first line you posted so you might want to check back a little further to make sure there are no other processes with interesting messages.

Try another restart, but before you do so check in Activity Monitor to see if the process "iCalAlarmScheduler" is not responding. Either way force quit the process, and now restart. See if the computer behaves.

If the process is not responding and you are using iCal with some kind of 3rd party add-on, it might be a good idea to disable the add-on, and see if that improves things.

PS You also appear to be using APE, which is known to give some issues. It would be a good idea to disable this too, and see if that helps.

I note a few things:
1) There is some issue with iCal - so check what alarms/events you have there and maybe try deleting some, or removing the preference file, etc.

2) There might be some issue with the "authentication service". Is there anything non-standard about the way accounts are set up on this machine. Do you use some network-based authentication?

3) You seem to be using Unsanity's APE. This might be implicated in system instability. You should try disabling it, or (preferably) uninstalling it.

Thank you. Though I can't really understand how to go into single user mode (I thought I was normally in that!), both the hardware test and what I was able to do on memtest (takes forever!), showed the memory to be normal and everything else seems normal as well.

What does seem to be the case is that OS9 may be the ultimate culprit and when I allowed the computer to repair it yesterday after a crash, it seems to have solved the problem for the moment.

Ed

"single-user mode" is a Unix term.
See this Apple document:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106388

It is best to do filesystem repairs using the OS X version of the utilities.
See this Apple doc:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214

Thanks. I think I understand.

same problems here
 

hi all
just to add my experience:
i use tiger on a g5 2ghz, with 3rd party ram installed. since upgrading to tiger i have the same problems as described above:

• random crashes with total freezes
• sometimes crashes where the "you have to restart your comp.."-kernel-panic-message appears.
• not possible to restart the machine from the menu. the fans turn up to a aeroplane like noise, the screen remains black. hard reboot is necessary.

i installed tiger 3 times now on a clean partition. always hoping it would resolve something. inbetween i went back to work with my panther installation (on another partition), but there i started to experience crashes too, though i did not work with tiger... very strange.

assuna

Hi
I would like to explain a little bit further my situation:
After a few days of working with tiger i observed that probably safari is the culprit for my system freezes. Safari works fine for some time, like 10 min., then it just stops to function.
when i click on a link or try to open a page from my bookmarks, safari just starts to spin, as if the page was not available or the connection so slow, that it would take some time to load the page. but then nothing more happens, at least in safari. then slowly all of my other open apps stop working. first i can not launch apps anymore, then the finder does not respond at all anymore and i have to do a hard reboot.
i tried to look at the logs, but there is nothing to see. not in system.log, not in safari.crash.log. if there is another log, that could reveal anything, please someone tell me it's name.
thank you (writing this in safari, before it crashes next time...)
assuna

assuna

You appear to be prejudging your issue as software related but your first post indicates that the problem is most likely to be hardware related.

The problems you are having with Safari may well be caused by a hardware issue - the fact that other applications also become unusable eventually forcing a restart would tend to confirm my viewpoint.

I would start by doing the following:-

1. Disconnect all peripherals except mouse and keyboard.

2. Boot your computer into 'Safe Mode' as shown in this Apple Document: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107393

If after this you still have issues then I think you have a hardware problem. You will need to isolate that problem. I would run the Apple Hardware Test that came with your computer and see if that pulls up a problem. Then I would test your memory (the Apple hardware test is not thought to test memory adequately) with memtest, a link to which was given earlier in this thread.

If you have still not isolated the problem, post back. But I would start a new thread rather than tacking your problems onto an existing thread. Please describe the problem as clearly as possible - nobody can see your computer so they have to rely on your description to see the problem.

hi bramley
thank you for your answer.
i will try what you suggested.
but i like to mention that when i use another browser (firefox right now) these things do not happen.
assuna

I even have an iBook clamshell (without FireWire & only 192MB ram) running tiger with no problems, kernel panics are nasty buggers tho :(