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hater....CLI fo life! just kidding. this post has been fun to read. I'm still amazed at how much people can be turned off by a command line.
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At the risk of getting clobbered for getting in the middle...
The Macintosh brings us to together in a community (see posts 9,10 of this recent thread) while yet letting us all be individuals. Mac OS X has both sets of tools, allowing everyone to be themselves and use the tools they prefer, regardless of which is the most efficient in a given circumstance. For each one, there are circumstances in which it rules. For remote work, CLI is much faster than GUI unless the other computer is on your LAN. For ftp, moving a lot of files, each with sufficiently different names, is faster with GUI because it is difficult to glob the files together on the CLI. I won't go any further or I'll expose my ignorance. :) Moreover, I don't think the outlook for GUI app development is as bad as you might think. Economic forces will continue to drive people (down to the shareware and freeware authors) to develop GUI in new areas as long as there is a market or a need forthem in those areas. Arguably, the GUI development would not be as active on the Macintosh as it is today without the new attention and people brought to the Macintosh by the combined unix/gui Mac OS X. At worst, it's probably six-of-one & half-a-dozen of the other. |
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The fact that the CLI is there can make developers a bit lazy. Can't get the front end to work? No problem, just use the CLI! That's not very Mac-like, and it can easily erode some of the best aspects of the Mac OS. |
I was an Apple ][E, Mac Plus, then PowerBook 145 cult freak. I still get the chills remember the first moment I saw Karateka on the Apple II and the beautifully rendered PageMaker fonts using ATM on the Mac Plus. I used to carry my Mac Plus to school on press nights in a canvas bag, on the seat of a '53 Chevy. I was a total Apple cult member, guzzling the Kool-Aid.
From 1994 to 2004--my first 10 years out of college--the corporate world's insistence on PC-compatible work pounded me into submission and I owned an IBM 486, a Compaq PII, a custom AMD box, and two Compaq laptops. I hated every minute staring at those Windows. Hated it. I bought a PowerBook in November 2004. The first three months were total bliss. No platform problems. Clients received Word and Excel documents without even knowing they were generated on a Mac. So, so great. So I guess I am a switched back. The sad note, as voldenuit and hayne know all too well having nursed me through serious problems, is that my PowerBook is a total lemon, now on fourth warranty repair. AppleCare has been minimally okay to me. Certainly not eager to make it right. I'm posting this from my WinXP rig I had to recover from storage. Hopefully, Apple will get the repair right sometime in the next couple of months and I'll rejoin the family. Alas, the PC stays in my office to prevent any more costly downtime. I still prefer the Mac OS, but Steve Jobs can keep his stupid Kool-Aid. |
ArsTechnica has a good History of the GUI article today...good timing
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Never even considered buying a PC till about 5 years ago... sadly, some games aren't available anywhere else, nor do their SDKs run on a Mac. :( |
I used to use a Mac just for fun, learning games, etc. when I was younger.
For the last 5 years, I've used a combination of a DreamWriter (more like NightmareWriter!) and an XP pro. pentium III, and various MS machines, scattered about my school. This year, I have an iBook G4 Panther. As I haven't really used a mac since about OS 9 or 8, (or used a mac for 'serious work', full stop), I find it a bit confusing. So, what am I? An "Other"? |
I spat my dummy with Windows XP in early January 2004, when I sat down at my pc and it died again.
Running my own company as a financial planner, I was spending too much time wishing that my network would work and trying to get it to do what I wanted. The Macs do it right out of the box but I didn't know that then. I remember 4 years ago wandering in to one of the Mac shops here at Pantip Plaza (possibly the most mind-blowing IT department store you will ever visit) and looking at the ad running on a funny coloured iMac thing and there was something called a Cube sitting next to it. The ad showed a guy in a heat suit using an extinguisher on a Pentium lookalike and another showed a snail with an intel chip on it's shell. The one that really registered with me was the adult setting up a pc out of the box and trying to configure it for the internet and the kid who pulls an iMac out of the box, plugs it into the power and the phone and is online a few moments later. I was that adult. I didn't have the guts to do it - a combination of all the spurious rumours about compatibility and the considerably higher cost than the generic pc crap I was using. So, January the 16th 2004 and the toys are out of the pram big style and I just jumped on a motorbike taxi and within half an hour, their software man was asking me how I wanted it set up. I remember clearly the "now, now, you'll get better given time" look on his face when I asked which anti-virus package he would recommend. 18 months and a 50% jump in my turnover later, I wish I had made the move when I first went to have a look at them. Loads to learn but I am enjoying the experience immensely and I have dragged so many of my peers over that I should be on commission from Apple! :D The bizarre experience of sitting somewhere public (the salas at the British Club here in Bangkok are now WiFi) and having people you don't know come up and start nattering away because they have a Mac too - and even because they are considering getting one. Great stuff! Cheers All, Gavin |
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The Mac is definitely the computer I switched to, and the first computer I ever enjoyed, but what I switched from, or at least the platform that all my prior computer experience belonged to, was not a Windows PC, a DOS PC, an Amiga, Commodore, Atari, Altair, TRS, or anything else with a screen.
I don't remember what they called it; our High School had one of them and the computer lab consisted of what I remember as automated typewriters — one would type cryptic command-line instructions, which would be echoed on the paper strip feeding out the top, and the computer would type back its response. I remember klunking around writing horrid FORTRAN and going through interminable cycles of handing it in and receiving, after turnaround time, a bundle of cards that I would take to a window, and I'd sit down at one of the typewriters and type something that referenced my program name and find that it didn't work, lather rinse repeat and etcetera. All this to get some data sorted and printed out in columns and rows, if I recall correctly. Blah. Everyone kept saying this was the up-and-coming thing and I just hated it. I even hated the games. Type "strek". Computer says Code:
* A teacher dragged us into the Mac lab 9 years later. I plunked down and dutifully created a MacWrite document. Titled it "Intro to Computer Hating". Knew I was not going to like this. Hm. Hmm. Hmmmm. Stayed in the lab a few hours after class was dismissed. Mac 512Ke, System 3, Fall 1986. |
mmmmmm xtrek. Many, many hours were wasted playing xtrek on a Solaris wks.
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AHunter3 & yellow, you can relive those days: warp, available through fink, is similar. I used to play trek77, I think circ 1982, and warp is similar to that, but somewhat different.
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The first machine I ever 'programmed' was an IBM punch-card tabulating dinosaur that you set up by plugging jumper wires into a plug board and then plugging the board into a rack at the end of the machine. A fair few years ago, that was... |
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PC user - now a Mac user 4 ever
I used a PC for years because of my work - I need ACT. Now I use the PC for one program and one program only - ACT on WinXP through on Apple RDC. Works great but still get the blue ctl -alt - delete screens which reminds me how much I love Mac. I switched to Mac for one simple reason. It works! You spend WAY less time screwing around with problems in a Mac - plus it networks much easier - and OS X is a beautiful interface!
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OK, probably not as old as the tabulator, but it was the only "real" computer we students could actually get our hands on, since the IBM 1130 and its card reader were behind a glass wall, off limits... Now that I think of it, though, we used one of those tabulators to validate our decks in case a card got out of order... |
Started on a Plus, first Mac I owned was a Quadra 650.
Since then… PM7200 PM9800 + Original iMac Original G4 + Slot iMac G4 iMac + Bronze PB MDD G4 + White iBook G5 :) |
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