Sure you can. And I can point to just about EVERY pc in every office I've ever worked in and list problem after problem. The office I work in now has about 10 PCs and the owner is seriously thinking about hiring an IT person because there are constant problems! It would be funny if it weren't so costly.

The fact is, I like this forum because it's the only Mac related place where I get that feeling of accomplishment you only get when you get something difficult to work. Every Mac user I know (and I've supported Mac users) just keep using their machines with no troubles. They don't fear installing software, including system updates, either.

Though I am curious what bug this was you found in Mac OS X, and bite my tongue on the whole 15 years/1 bug thingy..

I don't want this thread to go any further afield than it already has from the original topic..

So, let's get back on track.

Thats Yellow.. And for those who don't remeber the subject anymore it was about connecting with a Linksys router ! :)

Sorry, but when I saw we went from an Airport equiped Mac connecting via an unknown router to a PC Laptop, I figured we had changed subjects. Plus, I didn't see any Mac related technical issue. As for the other platform, I remember what they used to say when I was in IT: "Sorry, I don't support that platform"
:rolleyes:

Where disconnecting an external VGA monitor from a PowerBook (or others) would cause the LCD screen to go black, rendering the machine unusable. The only option was hard shutdown or SSH to it and force restart. Apple fixed it (listed fix) in 10.3.7 I believe.

When I called support, they said they'd never heard of it, but after much talking, agreed to take it to engineering and call me back. Never heard from them. On this or that VPN gateway issue, for which they also promised a call back.

At least when I reported my one found Windows bug they stayed in touch through the resolution and subsequent fix. Also found one in the messaging subsystem of Pocket PC 2000, and same deal, MS stayed on top of it.

And that is not Apple bashing, but pointing out that MS isn't always evil, bad, nor producing intrinsically bad products. Note that I still love and use Macs. But Windows is not broken per se.

On that score, I would be happy to debate you. Just not here. This is a Mac forum.

heh, the last decent OS Microsoft put out was Windows 2000, XP is a step down, and so will the newer version, plus it still has it's huge problem with ActiveX. And that fact that M$ no longer supports there older software makes you wonder....

The whole WiFi thing can seem harmless to people who no nothing about the internet, and i would suspect some people have no idea they connected to someone elses network ilegally, or think it comes with the computer. But there are some places that don't have unmetered broadband connections like we hae in the US, and the more you use, the more you get charged.

That's why Mac OS X and Windows both have ways of not connecting you to an unknown network by default, which was allowed in earlier OSs. On the Mac it's that message you get about "do you want to add this to your list of trusted networks," and Windows XP has a similar feature that is of course implemented badly. By that I mean I was asked for help at a cafe by a girl who could not get on the free wireless network, and it turns out there is a checkbox you have to dig through the insane Windows UI for and it has to be unchecked or Windows won't connect to an unsecured network.

Both companies did this because there were just too many instances of, for example, office workers opening laptops and unknowingly getting onto the unsecured wireless network of the next office, cut off from their own resources yet exposed to the wrong company's business information, sending their print jobs to printers in other companies, etc.

:rolleyes: NT just reached end of support. How old is it. Is Apple still supporting OS 7?

While most things about OS X's handling of Wi-Fi are superior, I find that editing the list of automatic-connect networks is not obvious nor quick. Windows wins on that one. It took me a while to figure it out, and when I show people who have problems connecting, they say they'd never have thought to look at it that way.

Right, but people still often don't understand this. And as I pointed out earlier, if they legitimately connect to an AP with a default of other simple name, then they can connect to other APs with that name automatically later.

Well, I think the thread has officially re-beaten the dead horse, and continues to veer off topic, so I'm going to close it.