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philcozz 12-15-2004 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AHunter3
I use a Safari knockoff/variant called Shiira. It's better than Safari if you've got a one-button mouse (or a PowerBook with a one-button trackpad, something that's harder to get around when you're on the road) because it pops contextual menus on click-and-hold instead of requiring you to hold down the control key. It doesn't have that infernal metal window scheme (although there are hacks that can remove it from Safari as well). And it lets you open links in background windows. I don't remember whether or not Safari would let you open links in background tabs but background windows are definitely a problem, and that's how I browse message boards like this one: bring up the list of new posts and cm-click each link and have it open in a background window, leaving me on the list view. Then I click the "2" to go to the next page and while it loads I switch windows and start reading the posts which have opened in the mean time.

Shiira is the fastest browser on my computer. The thing flies. I typically rotate between OmniWeb, Safari, and Shiira, but Shiira is very cool.

hardcoreUFO 12-15-2004 04:50 PM

Shiira
 
Two problems with Shiira:

Though you can use Safari's bookmarks, *you cant edit them*. Major design flaw -- so much for being able to sync with Shiira.

Shiira's development seems to have slowed to a crawl. Not even sure if it is actively being developed. Even the "nightly" is weeks old!

CAlvarez 12-15-2004 06:53 PM

Shiira is a very nice Safari replacement. It can't replace Firefox for me, and development is so slow that I don't think it ever will. But for those times I want another browser (testing, logging into a site twice at once, etc) it's great.

hitsuzen 12-16-2004 12:13 AM

I use Shiira 90% of the time and Safari. I also gave Camino and Omniweb
a spin and thought they were very good.


Quote:

Originally Posted by hardcoreUFO
Two problems with Shiira:

Though you can use Safari's bookmarks, *you cant edit them*. Major design flaw -- so much for being able to sync with Shiira.

Shiira's development seems to have slowed to a crawl. Not even sure if it is actively being developed. Even the "nightly" is weeks old!

I noticed that, but it's not too big of a problem for me. I sure hope
they would continue developing Shiira though, it would be a shame to see
it go. Maybe the developer saw the poll results at macosxhints, got
discouraged and is now rethinking his life. I guess this explains the lack of
recent nightly builds ;)

philcozz 12-16-2004 10:49 AM

I don't know... The Shiira site currently has the following list of most recent "nightlies":

12/1
12/7
12/9
12/13
12/15
12/16

All things being equal, I wouldn't say that development has "slowed to a crawl." It is, after all, a small open-source project with virtually no publicity. I have e-mailed the main developer twice with problems and I have heard back both times with a resolution in the next nightly. It's not a perfect browser (as if that actually exists), but it has great potential and is by far the fastest of all the browsers I've run on my TiBook. I assume the next Safari will be quite compelling and I look forward to trying it out, but it's always nice to have options!

Sumleilmus 12-19-2004 11:14 PM

Mostly Safari
 
I use Safari most of the time.

My local library, of which I am a heavy user, has dreadful new software (especially for such a wonderful library) that Safari really stubs its toe on. For this, I use Firefox, which is, I think, what Mozilla wanted to be but but wasn't.

I like the HTML "rating" feature of iCab, and won't use a browser that costs money. I can't recall why I used to use Netscape. Internet Exploder? I can barely remember it. Since 1999, I used it only for downloads from the Microsoft site itself.

For someone who is as visual as I am, well, Safari is just so clean and beautiful, not to mention fast, that I really like it. For example, consider just the detail of the progress bar for page loading running behind the URL field. Once you see it, as my friend Karl says (and he's a "Windows guy", it's difficult to understand why every other browser doesn't do it the same way, now that it's been done once. I'm not claiming Safari was the first to do this, but I know its the first one I saw that does this.

liangzai 12-20-2004 04:22 PM

97% Safari, 2% Firefox, 1% Mozilla
 
I use Safari for most everything. Its user interface, rendering speed and rendering accuracy is way ahead of any competitor. Cons: sometimes stalls when opening several tabs (net stall); has some nasty bugs with CSS and XHTML; doesn't allow posting forms unless the entire page has been completely loaded; doesn't allow saving entire sites; many bookmarklets don't work with Safari.

I use Firefox when Safari won't cut it. Firefox/Mozilla/Netscape are all slower, and they all have rather clumsy user interfaces. Their rendering is sometimes unacceptable, because they don't use ATSUI. Camino claims to use ATSUI, but this is not true (and it is dog slow). The Gecko browsers have superior support for CSS, and they have no problems with any bookmarklets. Good for porn surfing. They also have more features, if this is what one wants.

Opera is not free, is slowest of them all, and have some serious bugs. It has potential, but why bother when there are better browser already working for free.

Internet Explorer is totally worthless for everything. Not just on the Mac. It is beyond me why people use it and actually prefer it.

JonRelay 12-20-2004 09:27 PM

I just can't understand why people think Safari looks good. I guess I never will.

jsruok 12-21-2004 06:40 AM

Firefox, Mozilla, Safari
 
on mac: Safari
on pc: Mozilla
on linux: Firefox, Konqueror

IE is used to check the IE compatibility (what an oxymoron..)


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