some layman info
 

Yesterday i found some info on videocards that i really like, I think it was a review in Macaddict. They mentioned changing the orientation of a photo in photoshop from horizontal to vertical, stating that it was faster with a Radeon 9800 than with the standard video card that comes with the lower end G5 (don't remember the name of the card) specifically because of the video card. Now that was info that I could really relate to, not tech stuff. I never thought that spinning a photo was taxing for the video card, thought it was more a CPU function. so much to learn. It's hard to know if a video card is going to cut the mustard. At least if you buy the most expensive you know that you are (for the most part) getting the fastest one. Otherwise it seems like a gamble and if you lose you're out some time and money.
What could one sell a 2001 733 quicksilver for with 1500 ram if anyone cares to answer? $500? $750? I have no idea.

It would go for around $800 USD on ebay.

Trevor

thanks Trevor
 

and Bedouin. Tonight I'm leaning toward a G5. I'll report back about what I decide, for what it's worth.
thanks, S

Anyone knows about a problem with G4 733 QS working with an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro Mac & PC Edition?

I've read about it and I want to buy one but I'm not so sure....

Before buying, verify that that card will work in a 4x AGP slot, such as the one in your QS. The OEM ATI Radeon 9600 Pros that originally shipped in PowerMac G5s do not, and need to be modified to work in a 4x slot: http://www.techseekers.net/modules.p...wcontent&id=71

I'm not positive about the Mac&PC Edition, but it should say on the packaging whether it works in a 4x AGP.

Trevor

Trevor,

Well, I checked the specs and it said that works with AGP 4x and 8x.

http://www.ati.com/products/radeon96...mac/specs.html

But, I don't remember in what forum I've read that a user said that doesn't work on G4 733 QS ..... and why it doesn't work?

If the specs say that it works on an AGP 4X, then it should work on your Quicksilver just fine. Either the person on the forum got a bad card, and incorrectly attributes it to an incompatibility, or more likely they have a Radeon 9600 Pro OEM (not the Mac and PC version that you are looking at), and the OEM version of this card does not work on an AGP 4X slot without modification.

Trevor

I take a look on techseekers link that you posted and OEM version really needs some modification because the AGP 3.0 Slot.

How can I check my AGP slot configuration? There's an application for that?

Are you asking how to verify that your Quicksilver really has an AGP 4X slot like I said it does?

If so, you can check Apple's website for the Quicksilver 2001's specs. They are here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43106 Look on page 2 under "Graphics support", where it says "One of the following graphics cards, installed in a dedicated AGP 4X graphics slot:"

Or are you saying that you're not sure that you really have a Quicksilver 2001?

Trevor

Trevor,

I have a Quicksilver 2001 !! I'm sure about that! ;)
What I want to know it information about the slot, like volt, etc....

Well, I found the user review that I read about the Radeon 9600 Mac & PC edition.....

Look at this:

Let me save you people some trouble.
1). This card does work on pc's.
2) Apple Computer has pulled it from the Apple Store
3) It does NOT work on G4 towers with the exception of the "MIRROR-DOOR Models ONLY! "
4) ATI tech support acknowledged to me that they where only able to get the card to run on a MIRROR-DOOR MODEL G4 and nothing else, yet it continues to be marketed for "AGP G4 Towers". There are no AGP cards currently manufactured for the G4 Tower. THe only card which works at this time is the Radeon 9200 (PCI). If you need an AGP card you MUST go to eBay for it. Please Believe me on this...I learned the hard way and want to save you the hassles that I went through. :-)

Hi, I found the answer.... I think that everybody NEEDS to know that!

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/...estionID=21888


737-21888: No Display using Radeon 9600 PRO PC & MAC Edition in the "Quicksilver", "Quicksilver 2002" and "Digital Audio" Power Mac G4 models



The information in this article applies to the following configurations:
Radeon® 9600 PRO PC & MAC Edition
"Quicksilver" Power Mac G4 model
"Quicksilver 2002" Power Mac G4 model
"Digital Audio" Power Mac G4 model
The Radeon 9600 Mac & PC Edition is not compatible with the "Quicksilver", "Quicksilver 2002" or the "Digital Audio" PowerMac G4. If a Radeon 9600 Mac & PC Edition board is installed in one of these systems the result is a blank display.

Despite ATI's tech document, there are some reports on the web about people successfully installing the Radeon 9600 Mac & PC edition on a Quicksilver. For example: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/sep05/092205.html
In any event, the forum posting is definitely incorrect when claiming "There are no AGP cards currently manufactured for the G4 Tower. THe only card which works at this time is the Radeon 9200 (PCI)."

The Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition is currently being manufactured, is an AGP card, and works just fine in a Quicksilver. And it's a better card than the Radeon 9600.

Trevor

this is very late in the conversation, but I thought I would add it in. I never buy mac edition video cards, they are just over priced. I buy the PC version and flash the bios with a mac rom. I have successfully done this with GeForce 4 and Radeon cards in the past. It is kind of a lengthy process but I explain how it is done in this thread here:

http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...ht=flash+video

It does require access to a PC, but in the long run you can get video cards way cheaper. I have a G4 MDD, a G4 Cube, a B&W G3, and a G4 gigabitE all with flashed cards (these are ones I have done and they still work, but I don't own the machine) and they all still run.

The cube was the hardest one, since the cube takes a specific sized AGP card to be able to be bolted down to the case. My remedy was to zip tie it, and it worked.

Hi tlarkin,

My understanding is that this is not always as easy as you make it sound. For example, the Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition has a larger flash memory chip than it's Wintel counterparts, and so reflashing a PC version of the 9800 Pro first requires PCB soldering of a replacement flash chip--beyond the abilities of many people. If anyone is interested in directions for doing that, they can be found here: http://www.techseekers.net/modules.p...wcontent&id=72

If you know of an easier way to reflash a Radeon 9800, though, please let us know.

Trevor

I did make some mention about certain revisions of cards may differ. I found this quote on that same article you posted...

I never once ran into that problem with the radeon 7k. I have flashed probably over 15 of them in the past couple years. The radeon 7000 came out at a time where Quartz Etreme was just coming out and was a very viable upgrade for older macs that wanted to upgrade to Panther. There have been probably over 15 to 20 companies that manufacture that card besides ATI. I always went with the cheapest one and it always worked. Also, I noticed that the english was either from the UK or from Aus, hence the way they spelled realised (vs realized). Which brings up another aspect. European chips are manufactured differently than US chips. I have worked with Eurosoft diagnostics and European hardware and it is designed differently than it's US counter-parts. There are tons of minor differences.

So, yes you are correct that could happen, but at the same time, it could just work. More than likely my guess is that the mac edition and the PC edition cards in that arcticle are not from the same release.

You make a good point though I need to point out myself. you have to do this at your own risk, you do run the risk of ruining the card itself. I have never once ruined a card (*knocks on wood*) but there have been people who have. Whether it was because of error on their behalf or just a plain incompatability with the rom I have no idea.

For me it is no big deal b/c I flash the firmware on devices all the time and am totally used to it.

Thanks for the further information.

So, have you ever reflashed a Radeon 9800 Pro?

Trevor

yes I have and i totally typed a bunch of stuff in and then accidently closed out the window when I did the wrong mouse gesture....:mad:

okay i will rewrite this then...

Yes, I have flashed 9800s successfully out of the box with out soldering chips onto it. When i look at flashing a higher end card, i look at a company that makes a series of cards like the Hercules 3D prophet line, the Evga line, or of the likes (diamond makes a line, mad dog does, so on and so forth).

These companies tend to make video cards a certain way. They manufacture the card the complete same way and then firmware profile the extra features out. For example, EVga made a line of Gefore 6800 cards: the 6800, 6800GT, and the 6800GT Ultra. All of which are the same phsyical card minus one major difference. The firmware (bios) disables some pipelines and features which can be enabled again using for lack of a better term, a hack. So you can buy a vanilla 6800 and use a hack to open up all the pipelines and slightly overclock it to make it a 6800GT Ultra, and there is like a 250 to 300 dollar price difference in those cards !!!

Check out the riva tuner

So picking a card from a line like this may be the best bet, but again since it was like 2 to 2.5 yrs ago I can't remember exactly what brand of cards I flashed - sorry :(

Here is a quote from an arctile I found searching the internet trying to remember some stuff, but did have some relevance...

It is way cheaper for a manufacturer to make one card and then hardware profile the bells and whistles out via firmware, and it is now also a common practice.

**EDIT** here is the source of the quoted info above

http://mapage.noos.fr/campahunta/oth...convertEN.html