If you want to create wish lists, there is a perfectly good Wish List forum for just that purpose. Aren't we accommodating? :cool:

They did? That's interesting. Where'd you hear that?

Yes, Craig;

Cool and accomodating, indeed. This chat sorta glided into a wish list. Feel free to move it.

Alternatively, people could begin a new thread, too. It's easy and fun. Or add to one of the many already existing threads in the Wish List forum. This particular thread is probably in the correct spot for the topic it started to discuss.

By the way, here is a little more info on how Dashboard actually does it's thing.

Sorry, I misread the following article excerpt...

"After the keynote address introducing Dashboard, rumors swirled around WWDC that Apple had tried to purchase Konfabulator, but Rose and his partner refused the deal -- a point Rose emphatically denies."

So it was just a post WWDC rumor.

A good article regarding this...

And a screenshot it refers to.

Why assume they're neglecting these matters? Apple is a big company and they can probably chew gum and walk at the same time. ;)

I think it's more of a "feel" like the interface was made by a myopic Cold War Russian engineer. Clunky and dangerous.

How do you know they did not or are not? Tiger is still up to a year away (first half of 2005 ends a year from now), and from what I'm seeing on the tiger preview pages, there aren't a LOT of user interface "goodies" that Apple is talking about. There's a lot more core system talk than there were on the Panther preview pages a year ago. Metadata support itself is enough to make me giddy, but the stuff being added to Tiger server... Can anyone say "enterprise"?

hear, hear! here, here? hear here!

and...

remembering all the comments regarding good third-party tools, "this should be built into the OS!" now they gone and done it and we hear cries of "No Fair!"

what a fickle lot we are. we don't even know if private deals have transpired.

gentle people, i ask that you consider more than what appears to be.

Frankly I do not think this unethical I fail to see what is wrong with including third party innvations that have become very popular. It saves me money and its also a way for develepors to put something into the OS that they want there ans once its there the third party developers will come out with something else which results in a mutua evolution of application and OS alike

Tis true, however, I be a bit cynical with Apple. We have had permission problems since when? Corruption of preference files since when? And it is not for lack of not knowing. There are scads of posts everywhere with the solution being to delete the application preferences (if the poor new user can even find them!)
OK, I know that Tiger has to have some great new apps to get people to actually buy it and to sell more hardware and draw more Switchers, I'm not blind. However, sometimes they concentrate too much manpower on the frills and not enough on the spills.
Now, I am optimistic in some points such as the adaptation of Rendevous in Windows. Hopefully this will greatly ease the pain of networking with that sloppy OS.

I personally have never experienced any problem with permissions. But I suspect that such problems arise when a poorly-written installer changes the permissions of files to something it shouldn't, or fails to set the permissions of files when it should. I.e. it is an installer issue, not an OS issue. This would only be Apple's problem for those installers that it supplies.

Again, preference file corruption is (I believe) a problem due to poorly written applications. It is not the OS that is corrupting the files. It is the application that writes its own preference files and it is up to the application developer to do all the necessary checks to be sure that the writes succeed. So this is not an OS problem - it is an application problem. Of course, some of the problems have been with applications that come with the OS. Finder is one such application that sometimes seems to have problems with preferences.

I agree 100% with hayne. A poorly written app can corrupt its prefs, a very poorly written one could corrupt nearly anything. I haven't experienced any preferences files corruption except in some rare cases where I had to force quit Mail, and I've never had permissions issues.

The daringfireball article makes a lot of very good points (about Lite-Switch and Watson as well).

For those who have, and who don't like the terminal, see the second article on this page: Test XML Preference files

Except most these apps are iLife or Mail or Addressbook. So who is at fault? OK, it is an app and not the OS. But it reflects badly on the OS no matter what the source of the blame. If various apps suffer the same corruption problem, then the average users is going to curse the Macintosh and not the application in question. If all I did was make folders and shuffle files, OSX would be perfect. No, we use applications and it reflects on X if they refuse to start, refuse to quit, or refuse to work. Shine the blame, fix the problem!

Not property
 

The user interface Watson and the concept of Konfabulator are not property, so their creators cannot control every implementation of them. The world be much worse if their control extended that far. So it doesn't matter who thought of the idea first.

It's a separate issue, though, whether Apple is stifling competition by bundling these with the OS.

Agreed. The last line "gentle people, i ask that you consider more than what appears to be." applies to almost everything in life: there is almost always more to a situation than what appears on the surface. The only exception to this rule which I allow myself is when I hear something bad about Windows or Microsoft.